Current Events > Biden cutting proposed free community college from the social spending bill.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-cuts-free-community-college-demorats-reconciliation-education-2021-10?
Pretty shit move.

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Fuck Biden

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but he's not trump so it's a good move

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Manchin should die

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Why should free community college be a federal issue anyway?

proving once again that there's little point in voting for the democrats

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You want to kill liberal turnout in '22? this is how you do it

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its not like its ever going to pass anyway, there are to many assholes in congress. but yeah lets blame the president over the people that actually write and pass legislation, its easier to sell to the sheep that watch network news. plus, you can feel less guilty that you keep voting in a shithole politician in the legislature!

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BlackMcCoy posted...

You want to kill liberal turnout in '22? this is how you do it

oh they're gonna get destroyed lol

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I didn't even know it was on the table

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If libraries were proposed today they'd be seen as lazy handout communism

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Guys you don't get it, he's not a dumb racist like Trump was so it's okay

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Something to note about free community college is: it's a policy so radical it has already been implemented in Tennessee.

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Shit sucks, but has far more to do with the tenuous hold we have on congress making the one or two really shitty democrats matter.

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I like how the URL says demoRats

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Blue_Inigo posted...

f*** Biden

President Joe Biden met with a range of lawmakers on Tuesday, including moderate Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Shitenema, to hash out what will realistically end up in the expansive reconciliation bill Democrats are seeking to pass, and as CNN reported, Biden informed House progressives that free community college will not end up in the final bill.
California Rep. Ro Khanna said in a CNN interview that Biden still planned to provide "community college scholarships" in the bill, and added that the president plans to keep the universal pre-K proposal.

seems clear who to blame. biden was negotiating to keep as much as he could

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Antifar posted...

Something to note about free community college is: it's a policy so radical it has already been implemented in Tennessee.

Thus, there's no need for federal involvement.

Njolk posted...

If libraries were proposed today they'd be seen as lazy handout communism

More people need to realize this.

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eston posted...

I didn't even know it was on the table

It was part of the 3.5 trillion house package. Biden is in the process of cutting it down because that will never pass the Senate and he wants the Senate's bipartisan 1 trillion dollar infrastructure package to pass the house so that he can claim a victory in getting both parties to work together on legislation. So what's happening in reality is that rather than passing three to four and a half trillion dollars in spending the house bill will probably get cut down to something like 2 trillion and then both bills will pass. So the country is still going to get something like 2-3 trillion in social spending, it's just not going to get the insane amount that was originally proposed. But since everyone on ce defaults to absolute despair, going to keep seeing users act like the end result is Biden doing literally nothing and Republicans getting everything they want somehow.

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More people drooling to get altright fascists elected instead

Njolk posted...

If libraries were proposed today they'd be seen as lazy handout communism

If libraries were proposed today, it would be a gigantic trillion dollar omnibus bill full of superfluous and unrelated riders, shittons of carveouts and exemptions, lots and lots of special interest pandering, and just end up generally awful at being libraries.

s0nicfan posted...

so that he can claim a victory in getting both parties to work together on legislation.

i mean, the victory would clearly be getting the spending, not that republicans supported the senate bill

s0nicfan posted...

But since everyone on ce defaults to absolute despair

idk, the despair seems to stem from the two "moderate" democrats basically indicating they are not actually willing to pass the house bill under any circumstances, while demanding that their infrastructure bill be passed immediately in order to destroy any negotiating power for progressives on the house bill

after seeing the GOP use their identical situation to destroy the legacy of the previous dem admin and then pass their own on top, it's pretty disheartening to see so little unity among democrats

but democrats have never really had unity

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Njolk posted...

If libraries were proposed today they'd be seen as lazy handout communism

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Questionmarktarius posted...

If libraries were proposed today, it would be a gigantic trillion dollar omnibus bill full of superfluous and unrelated riders.

Also they would be means-tested. You would have to file income information with the library, fill out a half dozen forms, and go through a screening process. Hope you never smoked weed!

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s0nicfan posted...

But since everyone on ce defaults to absolute despair, going to keep seeing users act like the end result is Biden doing literally nothing and Republicans getting everything they want somehow.

It's really honestly pathetic lol

I suppose it was foolish to assume that the end result of 2016-2020 would be that those in the centre-left/left would pay more attention to and have a more nuanced view on the political process

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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Also they would be means-tested. You would have to file income information with the library, fill out a half dozen forms, and go through a screening process.

...and then get rejected anyway

s0nicfan posted...

It was part of the 3.5 trillion house package. Biden is in the process of cutting it down because that will never pass the Senate and he wants the Senate's bipartisan 1 trillion dollar infrastructure package to pass the house so that he can claim a victory in getting both parties to work together on legislation. So what's happening in reality is that rather than passing three to four and a half trillion dollars in spending the house bill will probably get cut down to something like 2 trillion and then both bills will pass. So the country is still going to get something like 2-3 trillion in social spending, it's just not going to get the insane amount that was originally proposed. But since everyone on ce defaults to absolute despair, going to keep seeing users act like the end result is Biden doing literally nothing and Republicans getting everything they want somehow.

This

Also this:
Questionmarktarius posted...

Why should free community college be a federal issue anyway?

As someone pointed out, it is already free in Tennessee. Also Connecticut:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/wesleywhistle/2020/07/06/free-college-comes-to-connecticut-community-colleges/?sh=754c004365b9

Dropping something like this isnt quite the slide into a conservative hellscape CE is treating it as. Compromise and negotiation sometimes means giving something up.
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How much is community College these days? Mine was $1000 back in the day. I pad for it with a third of what I earned working at Edwards(Stop&Shop) over the summer.

Is it much more now?

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CRON posted...

Guys you don't get it, he's not a dumb racist like Trump was so it's okay

Literally noone has said that. Do you think this proposal would be on the table in a Trump admin? So if it's not going to be on the table either way, most people are going to pick the guy who doesn't spend his day tweeting dogwhistles to neo-nazis.

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g980 posted...

As someone pointed out, it is already free in Tennessee. Also Connecticut:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/wesleywhistle/2020/07/06/free-college-comes-to-connecticut-community-colleges/?sh=754c004365b9

oh look:

Students should note that PACT has some eligibility requirements. Students hoping to benefit should complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) and apply and register for school by July 15, 2020 for priority consideration.

see also:

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Also they would be means-tested. You would have to file income information with the library, fill out a half dozen forms, and go through a screening process. Hope you never smoked weed!

g980 posted...

Compromise and negotiation sometimes means giving something up.

usually compromise involves getting something too

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I've definitely had some issues with the Biden lately, but I don't see any problem with this at all

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Literally noone has said that. Do you think this proposal would be on the table in a Trump admin? So if it's not going to be on the table either way, most people are going to pick the guy who doesn't spend his day tweeting dogwhistles to neo-nazis.

A chimpanzee wearing a suit is a better, more sensible candidate than Trump. Unfortunately his joke of a presidency set the bar so, so, SO low that Biden seemed like a genuine glimmer of hope for a lot of Americans.

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This was expected, no one should be surprised.

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Sackgurl posted...

usually compromise involves getting something too

Yes, that thing would be getting the bill passed
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Oh well, they will probably still pass it in California

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Sackgurl posted...

usually compromise involves getting something too

I'd say around $2,000,000,000,000 - $3,000,000,000,000 in new spending is something

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Sackgurl posted...

usually compromise involves getting something too

What you're getting is enough votes to pass 3 trillion dollars in spending. That's what you're getting in exchange for not getting four and a half trillion dollars in spending which is never going to pass in the first place.

The previous largest package in history is 1.9 trillion which was the covid relief bill. The biggest one before that was during the Obama era at 900 billion.

Do people just not understand how insanely large the original package is? "My social spending package that is twice as big as anything that has ever come before it, which itself was twice as big as the third largest package, is being cut down. Boohoo it's like I'm not getting anything."

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Sackgurl posted...

usually compromise involves getting something too

Have you met the current GOP?

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to appease moderate lawmakers, including Sinema and Sen. Joe Manchin, who have pushed for a lower price tag on the bill

Seems dumb to blame Biden on this. We need more Democrat senators so that it isnt left to Sienema and Manchin

g980 posted...

Yes, that thing would be getting the bill passed

but we didn't get any reassurance that it would

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CruelBuffalo posted...

We need more Democrat senators so that it isnt left to Sienema and Manchin

That's not likely to happen before the midterms, which almost always go badly for the president's party.

Fony posted...

How much is community College these days? Mine was $1000 back in the day. I pad for it with a third of what I earned working at Edwards(Stop&Shop) over the summer.

Is it much more now?

Then it shouldn't be a problem to fund it with this bill if the cost is so low.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Then it shouldn't be a problem to fund it with this bill if the cost is so low.

Easy money has done nothing but bloat the cost of regular college.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/ (forbes warning - bring an adblocker)

Fony posted...

How much is community College these days? Mine was $1000 back in the day. I pad for it with a third of what I earned working at Edwards(Stop&Shop) over the summer.

Is it much more now?

$850 for a normal class. Less or more depending on how many credits. Not including books.

Then about $150 for actual tuition lol.

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Mr Hangman posted...

There are two ways to look at college:
1. The way we pretend it is, as a source of education and training
2. The way it actually is, which is a filter for separating more and less qualified people
Almost anything you could possibly learn in college could be done much more easily and cheaply any number of different ways. If that was really the point, as a proof of someone's education, you'd just be able to take a test any time you want and prove you know the material.

In its actual function as a human filter, "free" (i.e. taxpayer funded) college seems like a way to help disadvantaged people get ahead, but it's not. It's just shoveling money into a credential treadmill. There will just be another hurdle after, and another and another until they have something you can't do and they can separate whoever can do it. Fixing this requires a cultural change where we stop demanding credentials of job applicants that aren't needed to perform the job. But that may never happen given that jobs will continue to disappear due to automation.

Put another way, if you just gave 18 year-olds this money, would they actually choose to spend it on college? Some would, sure, but how many?

tl;dr free college plans are a waste of money proposed by people who drank the kool-aid on boomer-era university propaganda

This whole post comes off hilarious when the source is someone who gets his "learning" from youtube.

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lol joke country


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Oh no this is terrible

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Looks like Dems winning those Georgia Senate seats made no difference. They made it seem like they could pass whatever they wanted if they won.

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