Poll of the Day > ANTI-VAXX Woman Sobs UNCONTROLLABLY cause the HOSPITAL will let her DIE!!!

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OhhhJa posted...

I'm of the believe healthcare should be available to everyone. Are you not?

When it's safe and practical, yes.

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let arv help you out with what he said. arv never said the rates are different arv said it can still be carried and arv said "seems" arv never claimed what he said were facts. and let arv stop you with the last one arv never got the flu shot but arv was always invited to bingo! and they treated arv like anyone else!

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ArvTheGreat posted...

let arv help you out with what he said. arv never said the rates are different arv said it can still be carried and arv said "seems" arv never claimed what he said were facts. and let arv stop you with the last one arv never got the flu shot but arv was always invited to bingo! and they treated arv like anyone else!

I knew you would explain things from this perspective. To simply state something in such a broad manner is disingenuous at worst, misinformed at best. It's a big fat duh that a vaccinated person can still get COVID. Do you know why there's a far lower chance of someone getting Polio that has received the Polio vaccine? Because there has been an extremely high rate of vaccination of Polio for some time, starting at the inception of the Polio vaccination program.

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arvs neither pro or anti vaccines. arv doesnt treat anyone lesser or greater if they have the vaccine or not. its up to the individual if they want it or not. if they want to die a horrible death then dont get the vaccine(not everyone dies from it) if you want a milder livable symptoms get it. if you have autism or whatever you posted about trump then arv will still be pals. arv doesnt want anyone to be condemned for their choices in life. because arv knows he makes multiple wrong choices daily

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ReturnOfFa posted...

I knew you would explain things from this perspective. To simply state something in such a broad manner is disingenuous at worst, misinformed at best. It's a big fat duh that a vaccinated person can still get COVID. Do you know why there's a far lower chance of someone getting Polio that has received the Polio vaccine? Because there has been an extremely high rate of vaccination of Polio for some time, starting at the inception of the Polio vaccination program.

well then arvs glad you enjoyed his ted talk.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

I knew you would explain things from this perspective. To simply state something in such a broad manner is disingenuous at worst, misinformed at best. It's a big fat duh that a vaccinated person can still get COVID. Do you know why there's a far lower chance of someone getting Polio that has received the Polio vaccine? Because there has been an extremely high rate of vaccination of Polio for some time, starting at the inception of the Polio vaccination program.

arv thought it was because less people called out marco but arvs glad hes informed


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ArvTheGreat posted...

arv thought it was because less people called out marco but arvs glad hes informed

You crack me up with these ones though. You must have some big fans, I got 2 moderations.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

You crack me up with these ones though. You must have some big fans, I got 2 moderations.

dont worry arv gets his weird moderations. its a shame cause you didnt say anything offensive.

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return did you get the vaccination if so which one?

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Jen0125 posted...

When it's safe and practical, yes.

But that argument doesn't work if you're sentencing someone to die to keep them safe

OhhhJa posted...

But that argument doesn't work if you're sentencing someone to die to keep them safe

its not a good idea to argue with jen it just doesnt work. yes you have your point of views she does. she right your right. shes wrong your wrong. all arv has to say about that is oh well.

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OhhhJa posted...

But that argument doesn't work if you're sentencing someone to die to keep them safe

Hey, it is what it is. They don't want to comply with the requirements prior to surgery. She's making her own choice.

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Jen0125 posted...

Hey, it is what it is. They don't want to comply with the requirements prior to surgery. She's making her own choice.

sounds to arv like they made the choice for her.

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If she won't get the vaccine because "muh religion" then why is she bitching about her kidney? If "God" wants her to lose the kidney then why is she complaining lmao

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InfernalFive posted...

If she won't get the vaccine because "muh religion" then why is she bitching about her kidney? If "God" wants her to lose the kidney then why is she complaining lmao

Who said god wants her to lose a kidney? Moses is that you!?

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ArvTheGreat posted...

Who said god wants her to lose a kidney? Moses is that you!?

I mean that's what the religious whackos believe right? Everything's part of "God's plan" lololol

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InfernalFive posted...

I mean that's what the religious whackos believe right? Everything's part of "God's plan" lololol

What if getting a kidney at the hospital was apart of the plan

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And Arv doesnt agree with you calling religious people wackos

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ArvTheGreat posted...

What if getting a kidney at the hospital was apart of the plan

You're right it was "apart" of the plan.

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ArvTheGreat posted...

And Arv doesnt agree with you calling religious people wackos

Mainly the ones that refuse medical treatment because of the sky man.

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TC did not include the hospital's reasoning:
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211006/colorado-health-system-denies-transplants-unvaccinated-patients

But the health system confirmed that nearly all of its transplant recipients and organ donors must have certain vaccines, including the COVID-19 vaccine. (Most transplant centers in the U.S. have similar policies or are adopting them now, a spokesman said.)Organ transplant recipients and donors are typically required to meet certain health measures to ensure that organs wont be rejected after surgery, the newspaper reported. For instance, transplant centers often require people to get vaccinations, take crucial medications, stop smoking, and avoid alcohol.
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Multiple studies have also shown that transplant patients face a high risk of death due to COVID-19. The mortality rate for transplant patients who develop COVID-19 ranges from 20% to more than 30%, which is higher than the 1.6% observed in the general U.S. population, the newspaper reported.
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An organ transplant is a unique surgery that leads to a lifetime of specialized management to ensure an organ is not rejected, which can lead to serious complications, the need for a subsequent transplant surgery, or even death, Dan Weaver, a spokesman for UCHealth, wrote in an email to The Washington Post.
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Physicians must consider the short- and long-term health risks for patients as they consider whether to recommend an organ transplant, he wrote.

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InfernalFive posted...

Mainly the ones that refuse medical treatment because of the sky man.

Its what they believe in just like you beleive in getting it

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ArvTheGreat posted...

return did you get the vaccination if so which one?

sorry, didn't mean to bail! in class. I got Pfizer'd both times. Sister has Moderna. Parents have AZ.

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Full Throttle posted...

The women say the RISKS of getting covid or even dying from covid does not bother them because they know God will tell them if they shall live to see another day or come to his kingdom.

Then the risk of death without the transplant shouldn't bother them either

Next

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Yeah, Prince was far more committed to his religion than these women, that's for sure!

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Apparently that's not a unique response and I'm late to the party

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ArvTheGreat posted...

Its what they believe in just like you beleive in getting it

I'd agree but unvaccinated asshats are putting other people at risk and for that they can yeet themselves off a cliff.

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Clench281 posted...

Apparently that's not a unique response and I'm late to the party

we've already kind of run the gamut

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So would they not perform surgery if the person had HIV? I don't know the procedure for this kind of stuff. So I am genuinely asking cause it seems to be the same principle.

Historically, that is the case, but there have been some changes/advancements in treating people with HIV over the years.
https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-conditions/sexual-and-reproductive-health/hiv-aids/treatments/organ-transplants.html

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I don't see why you think that's the same principle.

If someone is not vaccinated against covid, the immunosuppressants given after transplant can cause covid to have greater mortality. Or, the transplant could end up causing more harm than benefit.

Immunosuppressants aren't going to make an HIV positive person more susceptible to their own HIV, provided they're getting modern treatment. So there isn't the same principle of the transplant doing more harm than good.

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OhhhJa posted...

But that argument doesn't work if you're sentencing someone to die to keep them safe

It's not uncommon to refuse to perform transplant surgeries on people with poor post-transplant prognoses. Transplants are incredibly resource-intensive procedures, even beyond the actual organ itself, and spending those resources on somebody that stands a high chance of not surviving for long enough to actually use the organ is a waste. Refusing the vaccine while also taking immunosuppressing drugs very much qualifies as taking an unnecessary risk with those resources.

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adjl posted...

It's not uncommon to refuse to perform transplant surgeries on people with poor post-transplant prognoses. Transplants are incredibly resource-intensive procedures, even beyond the actual organ itself, and spending those resources on somebody that stands a high chance of not surviving for long enough to actually use the organ is a waste. Refusing the vaccine while also taking immunosuppressing drugs very much qualifies as taking an unnecessary risk with those resources.

This is not mentioning that the donor in this instance is alive, so the surgery also would put the donor at risk. Compounds everything you just mentioned.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

sorry, didn't mean to bail! in class. I got Pfizer'd both times. Sister has Moderna. Parents have AZ.

nice Arv has the sega Saturn apparently when it heats up the plastics which created a immunization to the virus

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lmao

fuck em, no vaccine, no kidney.

fuck around, find out

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Would it be unfair for hospital to deny a kidney transplant to someone who is 92 with lung cancer? I don't know of many hospitals that would allow that transplant to happen.

BEERandWEED posted...

Disgusting. People who voted yes are disgusting as well.

Such an absolute paragon of purity you are, ehhh... _
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Selfish bitch.

the risks of dieing dont just have an effect on her they have an effect on the person who is vaccinated and didnt get a transplant in time.

if she dies because she doesnt do everything to maximize her survival she doesnt deserve to be on the list.

its the same as a person who doesnt do follow up on post transplant regimens or starts taking drugs or abusing alcohol or whatever Else they arent supposed to do pre and post transplant.

get the shot and live or dont stand in the way of someone willing to do everything in their power to maximize the transplant will take.

if she takes the transplant and dies then she has also murdered someone else who missed out on the organ.


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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think it's fair that the hospital is denying these women treatment cause their unvaccinated?

Cause their unvaccinated what?


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OhhhJa posted...

This isn't about overcapacity though

Not only, organ transplants having to deal with reduced imuno systems also plays I part I would suppose. But with how much regular healthcare took a backseat to covid over the last year, I have no issues with hospitals playing it safe like this now.

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There is no guarantee that a covid vaccine would save her from dying from covid-related complications, just like there is no guarantee the transplant will save her but we do know not getting the transplant will kill her.

BEERandWEED posted...

There is no guarantee that a covid vaccine would save her from dying from covid-related complications, just like there is no guarantee the transplant will save her but we do know not getting the transplant will kill her.

There's no guarantee that waiting for a green light will save you from being t-boned as you drive through an intersection. There are very few guarantees in life. That doesn't mean we can't sensibly manage risks. Being vaccinated improves her prognosis by enough to justify moving forward with the transplant. Being unvaccinated hurts her prognosis enough to justify allocating those resources to somebody that's more likely to survive and take advantage of their transplant.

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OhhhJa posted...

This. This comes across as a hospital punishing patients for their vaccination status which isn't what hospitals should be doing. They're simply there to help people. Not to decide whether or not someone deserves to be helped

Bullshit. It is exactly what THEY SHOULD be doing. If you are too incompetent or too ignorantly stubborn to get the vaccine you don't deserve help. Why should hospitals help you if you refuse to keep yourself healthy and do your part to prevent diseases?

BEERandWEED posted...

There is no guarantee that a covid vaccine would save her from dying from covid-related complications, just like there is no guarantee the transplant will save her but we do know not getting the transplant will kill her.

What about someone else in line to get a kidney transplant? Not getting a kidney will kill them too. By that logic, giving the person who refuses to get vaccinated the transplant, they're killing someone who will not be getting a transplant as a result. And if the person who didn't get vaccinated dies as a result of the transplant and not being vaccinated, then two people die.

OhhhJa posted...

I'm of the believe healthcare should be available to everyone. Are you not?

I'm of the belief (How the fuck did you fucking get that grammar wrong? If even fucking sounds wrong when you say it out loud.) that intelligent and reasonable people deserve healthcare. It is absolutely NOT intelligent and reasonable to refuse a vaccine that has been proven to work just like the MMR and the Polio vaccines.

ArvTheGreat posted...

Its what they believe in just like you beleive in getting it

I'm a Christian as well, but I still take the advice of doctors and got my vaccine because it is more likely that they are God's way of keeping me healthy. These women aren't Christians. They are wackos that believe Trump is the return of Jesus.

ArvTheGreat posted...

What if getting a kidney at the hospital was apart of the plan

Then getting the vaccine would be part of the plan too. Can't have one without the other.

MrAntisocial posted...

What about someone else in line to get a kidney transplant? Not getting a kidney will kill them too. By that logic, giving the person who refuses to get vaccinated the transplant, they're killing someone who will not be getting a transplant as a result. And if the person who didn't get vaccinated dies as a result of the transplant and not being vaccinated, then two people die.

In this story, the donor volunteered and is a match and is willing to accept to the risk to give this woman her kidney. There is no need to bring up other people who need a kidney.

BEERandWEED posted...

In this story, the donor volunteered and is a match and is willing to accept to the risk to give this woman her kidney. There is no need to bring up other people who need a kidney.

yes, and both of these women will have to take immunosuppressants for a successful transplant, and due to this, part of the procedure would be being vaccinated - however - these women are refusing. Their point of view makes 0 sense, and they don't understand how immunology functions.

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BEERandWEED posted...

There is no guarantee that a covid vaccine would save her from dying from covid-related complications, just like there is no guarantee the transplant will save her but we do know not getting the transplant will kill her.

There is also no guarantee that a can of Coca-Cola will not kill you, but there is a very different statistical chance of it doing so.

This is like if my mother refused vaccines prior to chemo. That's an absolutely terrible idea that makes no sense.

It'd be like if the woman insisted that they had to operate through her foot to get to her kidney. The doctors would tell her to fuck off. They're performing each part of the procedure to ensure success. To not be vaccinated against a virus that is currently pandemic, while having to take immunosuppressants for an organ transplant, is to illogically deny a very specific element of your medical care. If you don't want the medical care the way they're offering it to you, then you're SOL.

It'd be like someone requesting not to be dilated during a cataract operation. Guess what, that's essential, otherwise you're not getting the operation.

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