Poll of the Day > How does the government convince oppressed minorities to get vaccine?

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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-blacks-latinos-remain-covid-19-vaccine-deliberate/story?id=79830353

the blacks and Latinos on average get the vaccine less apparently but who can blame them when the government is paying police to deport/murder them sometimes (obviously not en mass like the good ol days).

America has never been great and that is particularly true for objectified and belittled minorities. How do you convince minorities to get the vaccine when our government has a history of sterilizing and mistreating minorities?

The need to start paying minorities to take the vaccine and the government should send letters apologizing for our countries evil history because lets face it America was never the good guy. Even in WW2 we were just the lesser of evils (with Nazis being worse). I mean Biden sent letters for Covid checks.

I refuse to believe that being a minority has anything to do with being a dumb anti-vaxxer

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Just lie and say that if they get the vaccine theyll quit oppressing them so much. Which would be a lie.

I dont condone it or agree with it. But its what I would do if I were those assholes.

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Lokarin posted...

I refuse to believe that being a minority has anything to do with being a dumb anti-vaxxer

... A lot of minority groups are wary of being injected with stuff they don't understand for damn good reason, unfortunately. Even in the 90's, minorities have been experimented on without informed consent via injecting experimental drugs (often the experiments were designed to fish for some sort of racist result, and the people targeted were, very specifically, people of color) in first world countries. If you want minorities to not lean towards defensive conspiracism, then you need to advocate for the building of trust between minorities and the institutions that have historically abused them. That's not going to happen unless people are willing to take this seriously.
This video lists some examples of what I'm talking about, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5PiQvS-vGs

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And there's no mention of the Tuskegee experiment here which is the most heinous example

OhhhJa posted...

And there's no mention of the Tuskegee experiment here which is the most heinous example

It's mentioned in her author notes. The problem is that people act as though that abhorrent treatment of PoC is a far off piece of history that ended with the Civil Rights Movement or something, but that isn't true, and there are victims of more modern unethical experiments still alive today.
Edit: She also has links to the 90's Fenfluramine Experiment in those notes. Worth looking at. Understand that the victims of that experiment are not even 50 years old.
Part of the point of the video is that you can't treat this topic like it was just Tuskegee and nothing else.

Edit2:
For the record, the only effective counterargument I can think of to give to people wary of the vaccine because of this history would be something like "But they're giving it to white people, too. In fact, they're giving it to white people so much that poor countries that are majority black/brown are being deprived of the vaccine. If this were part of some medical experiment, then they would be focusing the vaccines on the minority they'd want to target."

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Gaawa_chan posted...

"But they're giving it to white people, too. In fact, they're giving it to white people so much that poor countries that are majority black/brown are being deprived of the vaccine. If this were part of some medical experiment, then they would be focusing the vaccines on the minority they'd want to target."

But it could also be argued that if the US government is willing to experiment on black people, they could be willing to experiment on anyone. That's not what I think this is though. I'm fully vaccinated with pfizer and recommend everyone to do the same, but I understand the argument

OhhhJa posted...

But it could also be argued that if the US government is willing to experiment on black people, they could be willing to experiment on anyone.

It couldn't be argued that because that's not how systemic oppression works. That's not how reality works, for that matter.

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Minority vaccination rates have improved faster than white Republican vaccination rates.

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I mean unless they live in predominantly minority populated areas, it shouldn't be a problem. What do they think, the person at Walgreens is gonna look at you and go "oh, hold on, let me get the one for black people?"

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Zareth posted...

I mean unless they live in predominantly minority populated areas, it shouldn't be a problem. What do they think, the person at Walgreens is gonna look at you and go "oh, hold on, let me get the one for black people?"

If you've experienced different treatment from doctors (which most minorities have), then this actually isn't a stretch in their minds. I think you're grossly underestimating the pervasiveness of bigotry.

Not that I agree with such people; they absolutely should get vaccinated. But hand-waving their hesitancy as irrational hysteria is missing the point; the fear IS rational, and hand-waving it doesn't help.

Also, actually... most areas are still heavily divided by race due to red-lining and such.

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Edit: Like, for example. In the video I posted, the woman who made it tells two anecdotes about her pain being treated as attention whoring. This is, very often, a code for "you're fishing for drugs," and minorities get it all the fucking time. That, coupled with the history of medical experimentation, probably causes flags to go up as soon as someone is suddenly pushing for them to take something in particular, because they are used to either being 1. refused treatment or 2. being tricked into taking something they didn't need or 3. being experimented on or 4. having a history of that treatment in their family.

This same thing applies to people with mental illnesses, btw.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

It couldn't be argued that because that's not how systemic oppression works. That's not how reality works, for that matter.

Yeah, I think the bigger argument would be that white people are getting the vaccine and minorities are getting an experimental drug while thinking they are getting the vaccine

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how dare they deport people who break the law to come here.
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The government also has a history of lying and killing people for whatever reason they currently believe they need to. So you need to pick either you always trust them or never trust them.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

how dare they deport people who break the law to come here.

but actually

let them come here and start small business

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Gaawa_chan posted...

For the record, the only effective counterargument I can think of to give to people wary of the vaccine because of this history would be something like "But they're giving it to white people, too. In fact, they're giving it to white people so much that poor countries that are majority black/brown are being deprived of the vaccine. If this were part of some medical experiment, then they would be focusing the vaccines on the minority they'd want to target."

Pretty much. The government only performs dangerous, unethical experiments on minorities, not on groups that are large enough and rich enough to fight back. If they're giving it to white and/or rich people, that's the best indication you could ask for that it's probably safe and that the very understandable hesitation minority communities are feeling is unwarranted in this instance. That does nothing to address concerns that minority communities aren't getting the same drug as everyone else, which is not unheard of, but it's a step in the right direction.

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Who knew so many minorities were conservative bigots.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

It couldn't be argued that because that's not how systemic oppression works. That's not how reality works, for that matter.

Or you could look at it from a non leftist perspective and be like, "wow, if the government oversaw something that heinous maybe they aren't very worthy of my trust, regardless of what color I am. Maybe they could also do that to me."

You can't convince people who don't want to be convinced. All you can do is stand by and watch them die as a consequence of their own choice.

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