Current Events > Cops should have guns that stay locked unless their bodycam is on.

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Amongst other things

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How is this supposed to work, exactly?

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I don't think we should be trying to handicap cops. Sounds like a bad idea

I think if you sign up to be a cop you give up certain freedoms while on the job.

And that camera? Stays on 100% when you have that badge and gun in your hands.

unnamedsoldier posted...

I don't think we should be trying to handicap cops.

Is it really that much of a handicap?
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All they'd have to do is hold their hand over the body cam. Even with naked footage, cops typically get away with wrongdoing.

George Floyd was filmed being murdered by a third party camera and we just barely, just barely got his murderer to be held accountable.

They'll just put a tape over the camera.

FortuneCookie posted...

All they'd have to do is hold their hand over the body cam. Even with naked footage, cops typically get away with wrongdoing.

George Floyd was filmed being murdered by a third party camera and we just barely, just barely got his murderer to be held accountable.

put the camera on the gun barrel

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Bad idea, because if the lock malfunctions they're left defenseless.

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FortuneCookie posted...

All they'd have to do is hold their hand over the body cam. Even with naked footage, cops typically get away with wrongdoing.

Then anytime someone gets hurt or killed while a cop is covering up his camera, the cop becomes 100% at fault.

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Just institute a $5000 fine on the cop if a body cam is covered up, lost, damaged, or turned off during an arrest or if a firearm is used. No exceptions.

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>Cops should have guns

Gonna stop you right there because youre already wrong

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How about cops stick with tasers and pepper spray and have no guns instead?

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Bodycams should be on 100% of the time while a cop is on duty (unless it needs to be off for a genuine reason eg a confidential briefing). Any breach of this should be punishable.

nfearurspecimn posted...

Bad idea, because if the lock malfunctions they're left defenseless.

They usually have a baton, stun gun, and a few other weapons like that.

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Health posted...

Bodycams should be on 100% of the time while a cop is on duty (unless it needs to be off for a genuine reason eg a confidential briefing). Any breach of this should be punishable.

This isnt feasible at all. You do realize that the bodycams have batteries right? So if a shift all started at the same time and the batteries all died at the same time they would all have to go back to the station to charge the batteries and thus not be allowed to respond to calls.

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Monolith1676 posted...

This isnt feasible at all. You do realize that the bodycams have batteries right? So if a shift all started at the same time and the batteries all died at the same time they would all have to go back to the station to charge the batteries and thus not be allowed to respond to calls.

Or just keep a spare camera charging in their car and switch them out halfway through a shift?

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ZMythos posted...

Or just keep a spare camera charging in their car and switch them out halfway through a shift?

Hahaha. Most departments can barely afford one bodycam per officer, let alone two.

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Interfering witth the camera in any way should be an instant termination and a felony charge.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Hahaha. Most departments can barely afford one bodycam per officer, let alone two.

Maybe sell a tank or two then and not spend public funds on military surplus?

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This board loves having the same police conversations every couple days. The same people making the same points to the same crowds.

that being said, there is already some departments that have body cameras that turn on when a gun is used. Mine has a feature that will turn on all body cameras around me

shit costs a ton of money which is why I assume a lot of departments dont have it. Especially like right now where everyone wants funds pulled

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Cops generally shouldn't have guns. Or exist as an institution but that's a different story.

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ZMythos posted...

Maybe sell a tank or two then and not spend public funds on military surplus?

No law enforcement agency in the US has a tank.

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Monolith1676 posted...

No law enforcement agency in the US has a tank.

They do. Not like, "here's our mortar gun and here's our turret gun" tanks. But super heavily armored vehicles that a dozen officers can move around on tanks? Which are still tanks, btw?

Yeah, there's more than a few departments with one of them.

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There was something like this in the Watchmen show on HBO. They had to call dispatch to get a release on their weapons.

First cop that tried got turned to Swiss cheese because they didnt release his gun in time.

I think its a good idea. If you kill someone with your cam off that is murder to me. No reason police should be turning cams off.

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gunplagirl posted...

They do. Not like, "here's our mortar gun and here's our turret gun" tanks. But super heavily armored vehicles that a dozen officers can move around on tanks? Which are still tanks, btw?

Yeah, there's more than a few departments with one of them.

You mean move around on treads, not tanks. Those are not tanks and are considered armored personnel carriers, since they do not have guns affixed to them which is part of the definition of a tank.

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fr_e_shavoca_do posted...

Monolith1676 posted...

No law enforcement agency in the US has a tank.

this is false

He's just gonna tell you some shit like "lol they're actually APCs," when it really doesn't make any actual difference

Edit: looks like I was a bit too slow
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He is correct tho. APC vehicles are really just to transport large number of people in a dangerous area. Tanks are proactive assault vehicles with mounted weapons

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MrDrMan posted...

First cop that tried got turned to Swiss cheese because they didnt release his gun in time.

That part was based.

@GoemonFan471986

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Monolith1676 posted...

This isnt feasible at all. You do realize that the bodycams have batteries right? So if a shift all started at the same time and the batteries all died at the same time they would all have to go back to the station to charge the batteries and thus not be allowed to respond to calls.

If having spare batteries can save lives and taxpayer money on lawsuits it's a no brainer.

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people should stop committing crime.

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Cops don't need guns. A baton and some words is enough for the average felon in America.

A normal person would look at cops having APCs and think "wow crime must be really bad"

But no it's the cops who are wrong

This is stupid. Theyre much better policies and whatnot they should be enforcing or adding. Next.

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We should invent guns like the guns in psycho-pass where they either won't shoot at all, shoot to stun, or shoot to kill based on the threat level

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gunplagirl posted...

They do. Not like, "here's our mortar gun and here's our turret gun" tanks. But super heavily armored vehicles that a dozen officers can move around on tanks? Which are still tanks, btw?

Yeah, there's more than a few departments with one of them.

I don't know if they still do but when I was in high school my city's PD had an honest to God, tread and turret military tank, which they showed us during a high school volunteer day. The officer said it was military surplus, that it had never been used, had no shells for the cannon, and only one person in the department had any tank operator training, but they still had it.

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Flauros posted...

people should stop committing crime.

No worries. They don't get held accountable anyway thanks to the police union.

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ZMythos posted...

Just institute a $5000 fine on the cop if a body cam is covered up, lost, damaged, or turned off during an arrest or if a firearm is used. No exceptions.

good idea, that would be a month off with no pay

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people's lack of fucking understanding of technology really worries me with what they're teaching their kids

technology isn't a fucking magical system

https://youtu.be/Kb21_qI90pE?t=54

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sabrestorm posted...

good idea, that would be a month off with no pay

You have to make exceptions lol.Ive been in a fight with a suspect and he tried punching me and ended up yanking my camera off and ripping it off my collar. You can send that 5 grand to collections lol

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mount a camera directly to the gun

While we're at it, any cop who tries to obstruct, punish, confiscate, delete, or damage a recording of a confrontation/ arrest should face a steep penalty as well.

If the party recording the incident is in fact obstructing or preventing the officer from doing their job, they can face a fine of course (they already do). But being a safe distance away while recording a scenario should be 100% uninhibited by police.

The detained person(s) should also have the right to record, and if a recording device is in use and is tampered with our damaged by police, then that officer faces the same penalties.

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Monolith1676 posted...

This isnt feasible at all. You do realize that the bodycams have batteries right?

I naively thought there is a way to know how much charge batteries hold so they can be recharged in a timely manner.

Agree. We all know that the point of cops is not protecting the average citizen but we are going to make the safety of the average citizen the priority.

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