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cjsdowg posted...

HE walked in someone room, show a vision. (which he knows can be false) and basically pulled out a gun and put it to his head. Does that seem normal to you.

Notice how they have to say "basically..." before going on a weird tirade about what happened that blatantly misunderstands the movie in order to rationalize their irrational feelings.

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cjsdowg posted...

HE walked in someone room, show a vision. (which he knows can be false) and basically pulled out a gun and put it to his head. Does that seem normal to you.

Except that isn't what he did. He fired up his lightsaber. He didn't hold it to his throat, or hold a gun to his head. He just fired it up. Does that seem normal to me upon seeing his friends die? Yeah. Yeah it does.

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FurryPhilosifer posted...

Except that isn't what he did. He fired up his lightsaber. He didn't hold it to his throat, or hold a gun to his head. He just fired it up. Does that seem normal to me upon seeing his friends die? Yeah. Yeah it does.

He just did not light it up, pull it back as if he was going ton use to come down on him. Also just lighting up in the first place is fucking stupid. He knows it is a vision , he knows that he is not in danger now. Why in the hell is he lighting it up.

Also is it normal to do NOTHING after you case someone to go other side, because of your actions?

I swear Rian Johnson could have Luke beat a baby seal and you guys would still defend it.

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cjsdowg posted...

Why in the hell is he lighting it up.

Because he panicked? Do you even know how people and emotions work?

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FurryPhilosifer posted...

Because he panicked? Do you even know how people and emotions work?

Yes, he panicked so he wanted to stab a vision? Is that where you are going with this excuse. Really

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cjsdowg posted...

Yes, he panicked so he wanted to stab a vision? Is that where you are going with this excuse. Really

oh my god. The lightsaber wasn't a rational thought out decision. That's how panic works. That's how instinctive reactions work. Have you even see the film?

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cjsdowg posted...

To almost killing a sleeping student who is literally a member of your family.

Luke literally does NOTHING after the Monster HE made kill BILLIONS of people.And then for the whole movie, he do not blame himself. He blamed the Jedi

Like I said, people very often misunderstand the scene. Because this:
cjsdowg posted...

HE walked in someone room, show a vision. (which he knows can be false) and basically pulled out a gun and put it to his head. Does that seem normal to you.

Is a hilariously disingenuous way to interpret the scene. What the hell, dude?

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Is a hilariously disingenuous way to interpret the scene. What the hell, dude?

Nothing is misunderstood, I literally highlighted what happen. There are ton of people who agree with him. And how about my second point. That he did this action that pushed Kylo over the edge and then blamed the Jedi more then himself and did nothing to stop Kylo from killing BILLIONS.

FurryPhilosifer posted... oh my god. The lightsaber wasn't a rational thought out decision. That's how panic works. That's how instinctive reactions work. Have you even see the film?

He is a trained, panic should not take him over like he is a child that can control himself. Is that how little you think of Luke ? This like cops who shoot people because they got scared of a sound.

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cjsdowg posted...

Nothing is misunderstood, I literally highlighted what happen.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

going on a weird tirade about what happened that blatantly misunderstands the movie in order to rationalize their irrational feelings.

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Hah, noooo...

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going on a weird tirade about what happened that blatantly misunderstands the movie in order to rationalize their irrational feelings.

Yeah I think I remember you defending Finn's treatment even over the objections of the action . So yeah you will defend anything about this movie.

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30 seconds of Broom Boy was the best thing from the sequels, which I guess justifies Finn and Rose's Crazy Casino Calamity.

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cjsdowg posted...

He is a trained, panic should not take him over

He didn't exactly get the full Jedi training experience. He got enough teaching to use his natural talent to succeed in turning his father back to the light. He succumbed to rage fighting Vader, and he succumbed to a moment of panic while experiencing a raw vision of Ben's enormous hatred.

cjsdowg posted...

Nothing is misunderstood, I literally highlighted what happen

No, you "artistically interpreted" what happened. For one, Luke absolutely blamed himself for what happened. He referred to his own arrogance, the fact that people knew him as a "legend." It gave him the sense that he could carry on where the Jedi failed--and then he failed, too, because the system of the Jedi is poorly constructed when it comes to preventing their students from falling to the dark side.

Obi-Wan lost Anakin. Luke lost Ben. Two capable heroes with good souls who failed their loved ones because the pull of the dark side is more complex than just telling somebody "don't give in to hate." If anything, it's a poignant reminder that somebody's personal anger and struggles can't just be lectured away.

One of the best accomplishments of the Prequel trilogy was to show the callousness of the Jedi way. Don't form attachments that might jeopardize your commitment to the force; don't ever feel anger, don't ever desire vengeance. "Train yourself to let go of that which you fear to lose." Anakin went to Yoda and begged for advice on how to deal with the dread and helplessness he was feeling, and Yoda said "Just teach yourself not to let it bother you."

Which is an arrogant thing to say. Surely because Yoda did it, so could Anakin, right? That's all he had for him. The Jedi were old-fashioned, rigid, and dispassionate.

Point being...Luke thought he was above the failings of the Jedi teachings. He became arrogant, too, because of his victory with Vader and Palpatine. He redeemed Vader; surely he could prevent others from falling. That was what he thought; that was why he failed. It was too much for him.

The guilt is why he withdrew. He took responsibility for failing Ben. He mourned his fallen students. He thought it best to be forgotten and to let the Jedi ways fade away not only because "the Jedi" did things wrong, but because he did things wrong while trying to prove that he was the legend everyone thought he was.

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cjsdowg posted...

Yeah I think I remember you defending Finn's treatment even over the objections of the action .

I was right about that, I am right about this.

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FurryPhilosifer posted...

What's the best?

Empire.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepMuMoAKpA

This scene pretty much perfectly encapsulates everything I said above. It even has proof of Luke's shame; the first time he mentions what happened to his temple, he neglected to mention just how he 'confronted' Ben, which is what his real guilt was. Turning on that lightsaber in that exact moment was the biggest failure in his life. He spent years wishing he hadn't done it. But that's what mistakes are; that's what failure is.

It happens. It has to be dealt with. Even a legend like Luke was fallible. Human.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

He didn't exactly get the full Jedi training experience. He got enough teaching to use his natural talent to succeed in turning his father back to the light. He succumbed to rage fighting Vader, and he succumbed to a moment of panic while experiencing a raw vision of Ben's enormous hatred.

No, you "artistically interpreted" what happened. For one, Luke absolutely blamed himself for what happened. He referred to his own arrogance, the fact that people knew him as a "legend." It gave him the sense that he could carry on where the Jedi failed--and then he failed, too, because the system of the Jedi is poorly constructed when it comes to preventing their students from falling to the dark side.

Obi-Wan lost Anakin. Luke lost Ben. Two capable heroes with good souls who failed their loved ones because the pull of the dark side is more complex than just telling somebody "don't give in to hate." If anything, it's a poignant reminder that somebody's personal anger and struggles can't just be lectured away.

One of the best accomplishments of the Prequel trilogy was to show the callousness of the Jedi way. Don't form attachments that might jeopardize your commitment to the force; don't ever feel anger, don't ever desire vengeance. "Train yourself to let go of that which you fear to lose." Anakin went to Yoda and begged for advice on how to deal with the dread and helplessness he was feeling, and Yoda said "Just teach yourself not to let it bother you."

Which is an arrogant thing to say. Surely because Yoda did it, so could Anakin, right? That's all he had for him. The Jedi were old-fashioned, rigid, and dispassionate.

Point being...Luke thought he was above the failings of the Jedi teachings. He became arrogant, too, because of his victory with Vader and Palpatine. He redeemed Vader; surely he could prevent others from falling. That was what he thought; that was why he failed. It was too much for him.

The guilt is why he withdrew. He took responsibility for failing Ben. He mourned his fallen students. He thought it best to be forgotten and to let the Jedi ways fade away not only because "the Jedi" did things wrong, but because he did things wrong while trying to prove that he was the legend everyone thought he was.

From the excuses you that guys give to Luke's actions he opposite of the Jedi way. He panic, he gave in to fear. And pull a weapon on a sleeping student. Nothing about that says Jedi. That is why Ben turned, because of this un-Jedi like actions. And in place of saying let me fix this. He blamed the Jedi ways. When if would have followed the Jedi way this would not have happen. Then this beacon of a hope and never giving up. Gives up and lets people die. So the Luke who we know faced down the odds over and over is just going to let innocent people die. If that is who you think Luke is, you really missed something in the OT.

Also The Jedi kept thing for safe for 1000s of years, and there was a shake up for about 30 years. They have a pretty good track record overall

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I did not care for it. That said I feel like they should have kept with the direction TLJ set up rather than trying to backtrack with Rise. TLJ broke the eggs so to speak, and I think the third movie should have made the omelet rather than try to put the eggs back together and pretend they were never broken.

cjsdowg posted...

When if would have followed the Jedi way this would not have happen.

The problem is...it did happen to those who followed the Jedi way. It happened with Anakin. There's no proof at all that the Jedi way is actually a good way to keep people from falling to the dark side. It all comes down to the individual--Luke could have very well turned in his fight with Vader after he gave in to anger based on a threat to his sister's life. Luke already knew that Vader and Palpatine were capable of horrible cruelties--but to have a specific person, a specific threat, was all it took to ignite rage in him.

The vision he saw through Ben was of everyone and everything he had ever loved being destroyed by a darkness he could not hope to stop alone.

cjsdowg posted...

Then this beacon of a hope and never giving up. Gives up and lets people die. So the Luke who we know faced down the odds over and over is just going to let innocent people die. If that is who you think Luke is, you really missed something in the OT.

You're exactly mirroring the people in-universe who touted Luke Skywalker as a legend. Because Luke is the one who turned Vader back to the light, the man who saved the galaxy from tyranny and evil. Surely somebody who accomplished heroic deeds must be infallible, right? Nobody who has done good could ever fail when trying something new. Nobody who has done good deeds can ever succumb to self-doubt or depression, huh?

You're treating Luke like he's not allowed to feel guilt or regret or depression. Like I said, you're exactly the kind of person who would hype Luke up as "Luke Skywalker, the Legend," putting him on a pedestal based on his bravery and heroism--but being heroic and brave isn't necessarily enough to make him a good teacher. Begging for his father to save his life while the Emperor tortured him with lightning wasn't exactly proof that he was more powerful or wiser than the Jedi who came before him.

If he had been anybody other than Vader's son, he would have surely died there. It wasn't just Luke's own skill, tenacity, or heroism that won the day--it was the goodness lingering in Anakin's soul. It took both of them to defeat Palpatine. It wasn't just Luke.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

You're exactly mirroring the people in-universe who touted Luke Skywalker as a legend. Because Luke is the one who turned Vader back to the light, the man who saved the galaxy from tyranny and evil. Surely somebody who accomplished heroic deeds must be infallible, right? Nobody who has done good could ever fail when trying something new. Nobody who has done good deeds can ever succumb to self-doubt or depression, huh?

Who implied any of those things. Being depressed, failing, that is one thing. Luke becoming a hobo who gave up on the world and in his in action cost the lives of a Billions is something else. And I don't see Luke as the hero of the ST. That was Lando. No one is asking Luke to be unstoppable, no one is suggesting that he use be a living god, no one is even suggesting that he can't make mistakes.

But he made a mistake and then acted like a punk. That isn't the character that we built years and years ago.


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cjsdowg posted...

Being depressed, failing, that is one thing. Luke becoming a hobo who gave up on the world and in his in action cost the lives of a Billions is something else.

They're literally the same thing.

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Guy pretends The Last Jedi is a racist movie, then goes on to refer to Luke Skywalker as a slur for homeless people.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

They're literally the same thing.

Literally they are not. You can fail, you can be down. That is one thing . Giving up and turning your back on everything and everyone is not the same thing.


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cjsdowg posted...

You can fail, you can be down. That is one thing . Giving up and turning your back on everything and everyone is not the same thing.

I think 'being down' is a severe understatement.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Guy pretends The Last Jedi is a racist movie, then goes on to refer to Luke Skywalker as a slur for homeless people.

John himself have spoken about the racism he face, a number of black commentators have spoken about the racism in this move. But like most progressives, if black people are not carrying the water for everyone else . You don't want to hear what we have to say. Then you have the gall to complain about the use of the term Hobo.


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cjsdowg posted...

John himself have spoken about the racism he face, a number of black commentators have spoken about the racism in this move.

They have every right to do that. I have absolutely no obligation to agree with them. I don't think their criticisms hold up to much scrutiny.

cjsdowg posted...

But like most progressives, if black people are not carrying the water for everyone else . You don't want to hear what we have to say. Then you have the gall to complain about the use of the term Hobo.

You complained about the movie's supposed racism (poorly, I might add) and then made a "whoopsie" by using a slur for homeless people to describe a (not homeless) fictional character you don't like. Own up to it or don't expect me to care about your considerably-smaller-than-homelessness problem with a children's movie.

Also, I am not a progressive.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

They have every right to do that. I have absolutely no obligation to agree with them. I don't think their criticisms hold up to much scrutiny.

Yeah Black people don't know what racism is. Only you do .

You complained about the movie's supposed racism (poorly, I might add) and then made a "whoopsie" by using a slur for homeless people to describe a (not homeless) fictional character you don't like. Own up to it or don't expect me to care about your considerably-smaller-than-homelessness problem with a children's movie.

A dwelling like the one Luke lived in, would not count as a house. Unhoused people can live in makeshift huts and still be called unhoused. And seeing how you don't care about people who are not me bringing up the racism in the movie. This whole debate about Luke Home issued does matter. While we are at it. If you think Hobo is a slur, then Homeless is one too. The new term is unhoused. And you are using these people to avoid the racism in that movie. So only are using the wrong term , you are literally using therm.


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Movie was complete ass, I don't know how anyone likes it, everything about it was stupid.

Alright action movie, just like the Ghostbusters reboot is a alright comedy. But are terrible when it comes to adding on to their respective universes though and are terrible because of it.

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I just remember ghost yoda and luke's sister using the force before she died. Was pretty neat

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FurryPhilosifer posted...

oh my god. The lightsaber wasn't a rational thought out decision. That's how panic works. That's how instinctive reactions work. Have you even see the film?

Dude is a jedi. He ain't a regular guy brah. Calm and centered and all that

yutterh posted...

Alright action movie, just like the Ghostbusters reboot is a alright comedy. But are terrible when it comes to adding on to their respective universes though and are terrible because of it.

Nah that movie was trash; they gave all the best lines to Chris Hemsworth, made Melissa McCarthy a physical comedy fart joke when she's WAAAAY more than that, the only character they really did justice of the principal cast was Holzman aka Kate McKinnon. The script sucked, they had some of the biggest names in comedy and fucked it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kYeyg7mxEc

Just one example of giving someone some good material. McCarthy is a fuckin wizard

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I didn't hate it when I saw it, but the stupid gag in the beginning really set the scene for the rest of the movie. I may not watch it again.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

I didn't hate it when I saw it, but the stupid gag in the beginning really set the scene for the rest of the movie. I may not watch it again.

Considering how many people just died, and how many were about to die, it was horrible. They never really nailed the humor of the OT. I mean billions of people were killed on Chilandra and they trust their primary tactic as... a joke? To distract the enemy general?

Oof what a misstep.

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16-BITTER posted...

People who don't like Star Wars pretend to really like The Last Jedi because people who really like Star Wars don't like The Last Jedi.

I'm fairly fond of SW, and TLJ is easily top 3.

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I like Star Wars and I like The Last Jedi. Too bad JJ Abrams had to fuck up Rise of Skywalker

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BLAKUboy posted...

I'm fairly fond of SW, and TLJ is easily top 3.

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cjsdowg posted...

Yeah Black people don't know what racism is. Only you do

Remember that you still haven't convinced me. I still like the movie. Finn? Great character. Give John Boyega all the accolades. Hope he comes back! They made that shitty Clone Wars cartoon, they can make a good one for the superior sequels and their superior characters.

If that bothers you, either cope, or make an effort.

cjsdowg posted...

A dwelling like the one Luke lived in, would not count as a house. Unhoused people can live in makeshift huts and still be called unhoused.

Don't care. Not homeless.

Honestly, he fucking rocked that wilderness lifestyle thing. What a cool movie.

And seeing how you don't care about people who are not me bringing up the racism in the movie. This whole debate about Luke Home issued does matter. While we are at it.

What?

If you think Hobo is a slur, then Homeless is one too. The new term is unhoused. And you are using these people to avoid the racism in that movie. So only are using the wrong term , you are literally using therm.

News to me. Don't think the movie is racist, either. Cope or make an effort.

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oh TLJ, the film that nearly destroyed the whole franchise....ok

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bulletproofvita posted...

oh TLJ, the film that nearly destroyed the whole franchise....ok

Attack of the Clones
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Kafkaf posted...

Attack of the Clones

One day I'll sit down and try to figure out which movie is worse... but that day is not today ;)

I'll say that generally, the prequels introduced things into the canon that have their high water marks. Generally, the sequels did not. They didn't come from George, for better or worse, and felt hollow when it came to production.

Seeing the Mandalorian done so well, and done with such an air of Star Wars-ness that made you realize how good the OT and its mythology is... It makes the sequels look like ass.

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i've never seen someone actually explain why they think it's a good movie

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

i've never seen someone actually explain why they think it's a good movie

Really? I'm sick of hearing other people say it, and I got sick of explaining it mere and months after the movie came out.

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ShyOx posted...

Dude is a jedi. He ain't a regular guy brah. Calm and centered and all that

Nah that movie was trash; they gave all the best lines to Chris Hemsworth, made Melissa McCarthy a physical comedy fart joke when she's WAAAAY more than that, the only character they really did justice of the principal cast was Holzman aka Kate McKinnon. The script sucked, they had some of the biggest names in comedy and fucked it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kYeyg7mxEc

Just one example of giving someone some good material. McCarthy is a fuckin wizard

90% of it was improve. McCarthy made herself a far joke. This is one of the reasons I hate the movie is because it had barely any direction. The director said "I knew I had to let them make the movie" or something like that. But it was funny for what it was, even though I have a lot of issues with it.

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