Current Events > Generation of men have given up on college

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-university-fall-higher-education-men-women-enrollment-admissions-back-to-school-11630948233

But male privilege or something.

So there's more chicks in school than dudes?

Nice! Fucking love slutty college chicks >_>

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Was just about to give up on college today <_<

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In fairness, degrees dont seem to mean as much as they did back in the day

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Mind posting the content of the article?

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Gwynevere posted...

Mind posting the content of the article?

60 percent of college students are women. 40 percent are men. At least for 2020-2021 class.

I bet it will get worse.

Woozul posted...

....And just under ten minutes!

Elaborate

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gunplagirl posted...

Yeah. Once you account for the age of the people in it, there's still plenty more men who are going to college out of high school than women. A good chunk of those women are housewives and the like who haven't worked in a decade or more because they had kids to raise.

That's not true though. Did you read the article? Much fewer men are going to college out of high school than women.

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Hasn't there been a big push to like tell people not to go to college in recent years?
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ssjevot posted...

Did you read the article?

I actually can't read the whole article.

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rexcrk posted...

Elaborate

She is woman, hear her roar.

Genuinely though the world is beginning to wake up to the fact that education does not equate to intelligence.

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CyricZ posted...

I actually can't read the whole article.

There's a research paper that covers this for all developed Western countries, it isn't unique to the US.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/14073

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Ah, reading competencies, hm?

Sounds like I should get back into volunteering "Read to a Child" stuff.

*sigh* I like consulting and visiting different clients every day, but man does it make it difficult to do a regular volunteering thing like when I was doing a regular FT job. :-/

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CyricZ posted...

Ah, reading competencies, hm?

Sounds like I should get back into volunteering "Read to a Child" stuff.

*sigh* I like consulting and visiting different clients every day, but man does it make it difficult to do a regular volunteering thing like when I was doing a regular FT job. :-/

Yeah, not to dump on the original article too much (it's not bad, worth the read if you guys know how to get by paywalls), but it applies a lot of US centric potential explanations to something that clearly isn't unique to the US. That research paper is a lot better look at what the potential causes might be.

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Being a minority male is not a privilege in the US

Rayman2 posted...

But male privilege or something.

I mean, it's not like they're being excluded from going to college. They're choosing not to go.

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Xavier_On_High posted...

I mean, it's not like they're being excluded from going to college. They're choosing not to go.

Oh I'm sure someone will find a way to pin this on someone else.

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Moxilla

CyricZ posted...

I actually can't read the whole article.

This

DocDelicious posted...

She is woman, hear her roar.

Genuinely though the world is beginning to wake up to the fact that education does not equate to intelligence.

Actually the issue is that college used to be gatekept so only those with money or exceptional ability could pursue it, and as such it was a near guaranteed ticket into the upper echelons of society.

As it became more accessible, the elite began creating new ways to keep out people from the working class. "Yes you have a degree, but you can't get experience unless either
A) you do an unpaid internship (something only people with money can afford because they have bills and rent to pay)
B) you have friends and family who can give you a job to get that experience in (meaning you'd need to have contacts in fancy corporate institutions to do so)

As things stand, college for a degree is a formality, what matters is forming connections they'll use later in life like when they're rising the corporate ladder and need to call on business associates for deals or what have you. Or else, for political funding when they're running for office.

So yeah, the degree itself no longer means as much... Oh, and the elites that run the universities and student loan companies intentionally raise the price to still keep out as name lower and middle class people as possible, or at least profit heavily from them.

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Moxillaq

Would that classist element apply worldwide, I wonder? I mean, I suspect so, but I'm curious for, I don't know, various Asian cultures or Scandinavian cultures how that affects the numbers.

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Woozul posted...

Hasn't it been trending towards women being more educated and seeking further education for a while now?

Yea. Been hearing Jordan Peterson say it but he got called sexist for trying to explain why it is happening.

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So what will this mean for fields such as STEM that are usually male dominated? Probably not anything good for humanity longterm.

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Prismsblade posted...

So what will this mean for fields such as STEM that are usually male dominated? Probably not anything good for humanity longterm.

Huh?

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CyricZ posted...

Huh?

Not sure what you're puzzled about. Less man entering college means fields they usually filled will become emptier overtime.......Which is really bad.

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Prismsblade posted...

So what will this mean for fields such as STEM that are usually male dominated? Probably not anything good for humanity longterm.

STEM majors might still be dominated by men. When I was in college last year with the Zoom classes I noticed in general ed classes only had a handful of guys to 20 women. When I was taking my electrical engineering class the women disappeared and the classes only had 7 people.

Pre-covid my major classes used to have 20-30 people. Might have just been a general trend of people saying im not paying for Zoom classes and skipped the semester though as well.

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CyricZ posted...

Would that classist element apply worldwide, I wonder? I mean, I suspect so, but I'm curious for, I don't know, various Asian cultures or Scandinavian cultures how that affects the numbers.

In most of Europe, nepotism runs rampant. But yeah, it's no doubt different in Asian countries. Some because with China and the like you'll have people who simply can't pursue further education because they have to still support their family/ farm/ couldn't possibly have enough money to move from the country to a city. Or Japan where you can still survive just fine without a degree working regular jobs at corner stores and the like.

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Not paying for a subscription, but how much if that is just that women are now more prone to wanting to go to college then men? Thats been a trend already for years, so it only makes sense that it would continue to widen.

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I wonder what TC's purpose with this topic is.

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Prismsblade posted...

So what will this mean for fields such as STEM that are usually male dominated? Probably not anything good for humanity longterm.

Doubt that.

This probably just means that less men are going for stupid degrees that wont pay for the cost of going to college. STEM still pays so those smart enough are still going to pursue that.

It may just be a weeding out of people that just shouldnt go to college.
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Undergrad degree participation does not predict profession employment. Women have dominated undergrad enrollment of psychology for decades but psych professors tend to be 50/50. Biology tends to be equitable at the undergrad level but biology professors tend to be majority male.

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Prismsblade posted...

Not sure what you're puzzled about. Less man entering college means fields they usually filled will become emptier overtime.......Which is really bad.

I don't see a direct correlation between the findings of this study and the filling of specific fields.

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Cuticrusader09 posted...

Doubt that.

This probably just means that less men are going for stupid degrees that wont pay for the cost of going to college. STEM still pays so those smart enough are still going to pursue that.

It may just be a weeding out of people that just shouldnt go to college.

I mean, man have already kind of been doing that, but I'm sure many whom had potential in the field otherwise are also walking away.

Which could spell a shortage of doctors, scientist, engineer's, and mathematicians in the coming decades.

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Wouldn't the definition of male privilege be not going to college and still ending up more successful than many of your college educated peers?

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My undergrad was 60% women. But more men disproportionately majored in STEM while women did Communications and art history.
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justaguy3492 posted...

Wouldn't the definition of male privilege be not going to college and still ending up more successful than many of your college educated peers?

That would be an example of it, not the definition.

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justaguy3492 posted...

Wouldn't the definition of male privilege be not going to college and still ending up more successful than many of your college educated peers?

You might make more money yes, but it will likely be physical labor that will fuck up your body

gunplagirl posted...

That would be an example of it, not the definition.

And even then, only under the right circumstances. Like obviously a non-college educated welder is gonna make more money than your average college educated art student.
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lilORANG posted...

My undergrad was 60% women. But more men disproportionately majored in STEM while women did Communications and art history.

Yeah. Would like to add education/teaching and Psychology as the majors where classes would be like 95% women in my experiences.

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Undergrad enrollment just isn't the correct outcome measure...

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justaguy3492 posted...

Wouldn't the definition of male privilege be not going to college and still ending up more successful than many of your college educated peers?

that doesn't happen, though

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/young-women-are-getting-richer-as-young-men-get-poorer-2017-04-20-16881139


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Prismsblade posted...

Not sure what you're puzzled about. Less man entering college means fields they usually filled will become emptier overtime.......Which is really bad.

Given that I'm finishing up a mech engineering/physics double major, and my classes are split nearly 50/50 men and women, it seems like women will have no problem stepping up to fill vacancies in STEM

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Prismsblade posted...

I mean, man have already kind of been doing that, but I'm sure many whom had potential in the field otherwise are also walking away.

Which could spell a shortage of doctors, scientist, engineer's, and mathematicians in the coming decades.

Nope, well have more women in those careers. Women are just as smart as men.
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Gwynevere posted...

Given that I'm finishing up a mech engineering/physics undergrad double major, and my classes are split nearly 50/50 men and women, it seems like women will have no problem stepping up to fill vacancies in STEM

This is far too optimistic. The reality is that women will continue to be pushed out of professional positions, at a higher proportion the higher the position is.

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You didn't post this article with genuine interest in discussion, did you TC
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