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SwiggitySwoogit
09/04/21 1:25:08 PM
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What is your opinion of Afghanistan



Which one of the three?
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scar the 1
09/04/21 1:45:23 PM
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4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 1:49:18 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen
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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 1:49:55 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen


So we should have just let the Taliban continue to let Al Qaeda openly train terrorists to carry out terrorist attacks like 9/11?

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 1:52:17 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


So we should have just let the Taliban continue to let Al Qaeda openly train terrorists to carry out terrorist attacks like 9/11?


i'll take "extreme fear mongering for $500" alex
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WeeWeiWiiWie
09/04/21 1:53:49 PM
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I think we should have pulled out if and only if we did the responsible thing and allowed passage of all refugees prior to pulling out.

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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 1:55:13 PM
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Nestor_Cortes posted...
i'll take "extreme fear mongering for $500" alex


It's just a fact of what was happening in Afghanistan between the USSR withdrawal in 89 and the US invasion in 01.

Are we just ignoring reality now?

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 1:56:27 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


It's just a fact of what was happening in Afghanistan between the USSR withdrawal in 89 and the US invasion in 01.

Are we just ignoring reality now?


It wasn't our problem.
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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 1:59:52 PM
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Nestor_Cortes posted...
It wasn't our problem.


It wasn't our problem that foreign terrorists were killing innocent US civilians? Are you high?

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SSJPurple
09/04/21 2:00:44 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen


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UnfairRepresent
09/04/21 2:01:50 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen


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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 2:02:16 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


It wasn't our problem that foreign terrorists were killing innocent US civilians? Are you high?


So the solution was exchanging the deaths of a few innocent US civilians for an all out war used for profit as opposed to anything practical?

When domestic terrorists were killing innocent US civilians in the 90s, would your solution be to mobilize our troops throughout the entire country?
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a-c-a-b
09/04/21 2:12:20 PM
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It should have never happened. It was never a war that was meant to be won. Just a massive gravy train for U.S. contractors and weapons companies.
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Omnislasher
09/04/21 2:13:37 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
4. The invasion shouldn't have happened in the first place and there was no good way of leaving but it needed to happen

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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 2:13:55 PM
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Nestor_Cortes posted...
So the solution was exchanging the deaths of a few innocent US civilians for an all out war used for profit as opposed to anything practical?

When domestic terrorists were killing innocent US civilians in the 90s, would your solution be to mobilize our troops throughout the entire country?


A few innocent civilians? 3000 people died on 9/11. Thousands more than that were injured. That's not even to mention the tens of thousands or more lives that were affected by the rippling trauma. And for what? Cause some piece of shit of the other side of the planet they've probably never heard of declares jihad?

To say that "wasn't our problem" is fucking asinine

And I'm not sure why you're deflecting and pretending like we do nothing about domestic terrorism as well.

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 2:25:18 PM
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9/11 was already after we had mobilized troops in the middle east. We were meddling there since the 70s, and turned it up a few notches with the Gulf War.

So again, a few innocent US lives were being endangered in the middle east prior to 9/11. The solution was to not keep bombing the fuck out of them and ransacking towns with our troops. It only made the problem worse, for obvious reasons.

And uh, we barely do anything about domestic terrorism. We literally almost had an entire overthrown government on January 6th and nobody will be held accountable.
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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 2:26:53 PM
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US tourists, btw, are constantly endangered when they go to places like South America, North Korea, China, and parts of Russia. According to you, we should start mobilizing our troops and go to war with all of them.

The thing is, the government won't because it isn't in their economic bests interests. The middle east was. It was why they kept there since the gas crisis of the 70s.
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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 2:40:47 PM
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Nestor_Cortes posted...
And uh, we barely do anything about domestic terrorism. We literally almost had an entire overthrown government on January 6th and nobody will be held accountable.




https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

I think we're done here

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 2:42:55 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...




https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

I think we're done here


*notices not a single politician*

Um, no we aren't.
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indica
09/04/21 3:12:48 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
A few innocent civilians? 3000 people died on 9/11. Thousands more than that were injured. That's not even to mention the tens of thousands or more lives that were affected by the rippling trauma. And for what? Cause some piece of shit of the other side of the planet they've probably never heard of declares jihad?

To say that "wasn't our problem" is fucking asinine

And I'm not sure why you're deflecting and pretending like we do nothing about domestic terrorism as well.
Are you trying to state the same fallacy as Bush for connecting Afghanistan to 9/11? If you want to get real, why didn't the U.S. invade Saudi Arabia instead...oh wait >_>

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SoggyBottomBoy
09/04/21 3:14:15 PM
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Ill never understand the significance of the Middle East beyond some bullshit about a holy land that has zero hold on the modern population.

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Toadsworth
09/04/21 3:14:29 PM
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a-c-a-b posted...
It should have never happened. It was never a war that was meant to be won. Just a massive gravy train for U.S. contractors and weapons companies.



Based username, as well. @a-c-a-b

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scar the 1
09/04/21 3:28:38 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
So we should have just let the Taliban continue to let Al Qaeda openly train terrorists to carry out terrorist attacks like 9/11?
Maybe the US shouldn't have armed them in the first place huh

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Shezarr
09/04/21 3:29:21 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
pretending like we do nothing about domestic terrorism as well.
Is this a joke?

oh, Solid Sonic, nvm

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PoundGarden
09/04/21 3:32:27 PM
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4. I give exactly zero fucks about Afghanistan. Whatever their problems are, we obviously aren't the county that's gonna fix them nor should we be.

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ThePieReborn
09/04/21 3:34:18 PM
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Shouldn'ta did it in the first place.

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PoundGarden
09/04/21 3:37:05 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
And I'm not sure why you're deflecting and pretending like we do nothing about domestic terrorism as well.

Ah yes, just look at aaalllllll the 1/6 terrorists being handled with zero tolerance and being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

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KiwiTerraRizing
09/04/21 3:37:54 PM
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There was no way to avoid what happened. Biden had the guts to finally do it.

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Perascamin
09/04/21 3:40:53 PM
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I don't know what we can do. The new Taliban said they would carry out peace, but here they are beating and killing the very people they promised would be safe and "forgiven".

As a US Citizen, I want to help them. I wish it were to the way that if any Afghani resident wants to leave, they can do so at will and countries like the US are able to take them in and foster them.

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Criminalt
09/04/21 3:44:15 PM
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Nestor_Cortes posted...
We literally almost had an entire overthrown government on January 6th and nobody will be held accountable.
It wasn't our problem.

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Perascamin
09/04/21 3:45:52 PM
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I understand that the US was only involved in Afghanistan for the money, but still my soul aches for the innocent people now being harassed, beaten, and killed while the world turns their backs and looks away.

Is this the better way? The US carried out so many drone strikes...how many poor people did we hurt and kill through our recklessness and blatant disregard for human life? It's an impossible problem. It just feels like there's no solution. God be with the people of Afghanistan.

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Nestor_Cortes
09/04/21 3:57:44 PM
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Criminalt posted...

It wasn't our problem.


LOL!
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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 3:59:45 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
Maybe the US shouldn't have armed them in the first place huh


Maybe the USSR shouldn't have invaded the country and spiraled it into half a century of chaos still going strong.

If if and buts were candy and nuts wouldn't it be a merry Christmas?

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hockeybub89
09/04/21 3:59:46 PM
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We should have left like 18 years ago.

The Taliban would have taken over and subjugated the masses regardless of how and when we left. You can't stay there forever.

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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 4:02:50 PM
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Shezarr posted...
Is this a joke?

oh, Solid Sonic, nvm


Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that time we shruged off the okc bombing and let Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols ride off into the sunset.

Silly me

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Shezarr
09/04/21 4:04:45 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that time we shruged off the okc bombing and let Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols ride off into the sunset.

Silly me
I like that your example of us clamping down on domestic terrorism has to go back almost 30 years

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PoundGarden
09/04/21 4:05:25 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that time we shruged off the okc bombing and let Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols ride off into the sunset.

Silly me

So you're really not going to acknowledge the 1/6 terrorists getting at worst a slap on the wrist?

Oh yeah, we take a real hard stance on domestic terrorists here

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Criminalt
09/04/21 4:07:22 PM
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Uncle Sam has a good deal of expertise and experience in taking countries apart but often seems to be a fumbling amateur when it comes to trying to stick them back together again and at best, manages to paper over the cracks for a while. Is it because at bottom, there's just no real belief in that part of the mission?

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Xethuminra
09/04/21 4:12:49 PM
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My opinion?

It got taken by the Taliban as we were withdrawing & they killed a bunch of people. Go back in and take it. Oh well. The Taliban thought they could win? They lost. They should have waited. They played their hand too soon. We dont negotiate with terrorists. No mercy. Easy victory. The government has fallen so we can take the gloves off. Death to terrorists. Free the Afghani people. Take the country. It will take a long time, but we will make something work. We cant just leave them with the Taliban.

Complete eradication
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Smackems
09/04/21 4:14:02 PM
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Never shoulda been there

Escape shoulda been better

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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 4:14:45 PM
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Shezarr posted...
I like that your example of us clamping down on domestic terrorism has to go back almost 30 years


You mean probably the most well known domestic terrorist attack in american history?

Sorry you didn't like my example. How about the Boston bombing? San bernadino? Charleston?

Feel free to offer an example of a domestic terrorist attack the government just ignored and didn't give a shit about pursuing the perpetrator

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PoundGarden
09/04/21 4:15:56 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
My opinion?

It got taken by the Taliban as we were withdrawing & they killed a bunch of people. Go back in and take it. Oh well. The Taliban thought they could win? They lost. They should have waited. They played their hand too soon. We dont negotiate with terrorists. No mercy. Easy victory. The government has fallen so we can take the gloves off. Death to terrorists. Free the Afghani people. Take the country. It will take a long time, but we will make something work. We cant just leave them with the Taliban.

Complete eradication

In fairness, we've been there 20 years. 2 generations have grown up under US occupation/oppression watching their friends and family get airstruck to hell and a lot of them (rightfully) just want us out of their fucking country. We'll never change their culture or their way of thinking, and it really isn't our place to do so. It was an unwinnable "war" from day one.

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ElatedVenusaur
09/04/21 4:16:07 PM
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We never should have gone in the first place and it's clear, in hindsight, that the government was always going to collapse like a house of cards the moment we weren't protecting it from every random breeze. There was never and was never going to be a point where we could have affected a "dignified" withdrawal where the Taliban politely waited on the sidelines for us to get every last person out in an orderly manner. It was always going to be a damned mess, and we have no one to blame for that but ourselves.

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Xethuminra
09/04/21 4:16:21 PM
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My opinion?

If we abide their actions, it will hurt our international image further which is unacceptable. If there was ever a time to show the world we arent just used car salesmen with big guns & no morals, it is now. Crush the Taliban.
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PoundGarden
09/04/21 4:16:54 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
You mean probably the most well known domestic terrorist attack in american history?

Sorry you didn't like my example. How about the Boston bombing? San bernadino? Charleston?

Feel free to offer an example of a domestic terrorist attack the government just ignored and didn't give a shit about pursuing the perpetrator

Third time, January 6th, 2020. Really wasn't even that long ago lol

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Solid Snake07
09/04/21 4:18:04 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
So you're really not going to acknowledge the 1/6 terrorists getting at worst a slap on the wrist?

Oh yeah, we take a real hard stance on domestic terrorists here


Are you seriously equating January 6th to attacks like OKC? Jfc dude, get a grip of reality

As far as I'm aware they have arrested and charged everyone they could find that committed a crime that day. I'm sorry they didn't just start putting heads on pikes to satisfy your bloodlust

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PoundGarden
09/04/21 4:18:13 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
My opinion?

If we abide their actions, it will hurt our international image further which is unacceptable. If there was ever a time to show the world we arent just used car salesmen with big guns & no morals, it is now. Crush the Taliban.

Dude, even before 4 years of Trump's buffoonery, the US has been a laughingstock for some time.

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Xethuminra
09/04/21 4:18:55 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
In fairness, we've been there 20 years. 2 generations have grown up under US occupation/oppression watching their friends and family get airstruck to hell and a lot of them (rightfully) just want us out of their fucking country. We'll never change their culture or their way of thinking, and it really isn't our place to do so. It was an unwinnable "war" from day one.
Yeah, but those other guys are terrorists. If we had to assume the role of the government entirely, we could begin to improve it. Make it like Japan. You know? Advance them and set up corporations and educate them better and fix the infrastructure.

Afghani capitalism

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Xethuminra
09/04/21 4:20:36 PM
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Biden will be a hero.
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