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Solid Snake07 posted...

Are you seriously equating January 6th to attacks like OKC? Jfc dude, get a grip of reality

As far as I'm aware they have arrested and charged everyone they could find that committed a crime that day. I'm sorry they didn't just start putting heads on pikes to satisfy your bloodlust

Literally handwaving lunatics attempting to overthrow the government which resulted in deaths. Yes, more people died at OKC, but had the 1/6 terrorists been successful it would've been so much worse. And no, not everyone who was identified has been punished or even charged with a crime. But I'm guessing you don't care about that.

You should probably educate yourself on these things before melting down and lookin foolish because you don't know wtf you're talking about.

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Xethuminra posted...

Yeah, but those other guys are terrorists. If we had to assume the role of the government entirely, we could begin to improve it. Make it like Japan. You know? Advance them and set up corporations and educate them better and fix the infrastructure.

Afghani capitalism

Do or die. Because terrorists and religious zealots took your country

Japan didn't really have much choice and were largely willing to work with us. Mostly because Japan was fighting in the war to restore the nation to glory, it had virtually nothing to do with religion.
The Taliban won't stop because they are (in their minds) fighting a holy war and honestly don't have much to lose.

Absolutely nothing has changed in 20 years, another 20 won't get any better results. You can't fight a belief.

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PoundGarden posted...

Japan didn't really have much choice and were largely willing to work with us. Mostly because Japan was fighting in the war to restore the nation to glory, it had virtually nothing to do with religion.
The Taliban won't stop because they are (in their minds) fighting a holy war and honestly don't have much to lose.

Absolutely nothing has changed in 20 years, another 20 won't get any better results. You can't fight a belief.

No no

Its their land.

We just, you know.... need to teach them how to government, and help kill all the terrorists.

Should have never been there.
I don't care how we got out, we're finally out.

Background_Guy posted...

Should have never been there.
I don't care how we got out, we're finally out.

This is also potentially acceptable but still really bad in a bunch of ways.

We should be able to crush the Taliban. Were the USA.

PoundGarden posted...

Literally handwaving lunatics attempting to overthrow the government which resulted in deaths. Yes, more people died at OKC, but had the 1/6 terrorists been successful it would've been so much worse. And no, not everyone who was identified has been punished or even charged with a crime. But I'm guessing you don't care about that.

You should probably educate yourself on these things before melting down and lookin foolish because you don't know wtf you're talking about.

You're a sick man and should seek help. No one is hand waving anything you're just trying to derail this into a tangent about the capital riots for no reason. People who participated in that riot and broke the law should be held accountable for the laws they broke. And no, I don't know the details of every capital riot case, and neither do you. They arrested like 500 people.

But you're seriously sick in the fucking head if you're going to equate that riot to attacks like blowing up buildings or shooting up churches and gay night clubs. The Trump presidency has clearly melted your god damn brain dude

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Xethuminra posted...

If there was ever a time to show the world we arent just used car salesmen with big guns & no morals,

I hate to break it to you, but

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Antifar posted...

I hate to break it to you, but

If we dont destroyed them, it will make us look weak. That could lead to further attacks. It could make us look like the bad guys. All of those are BAD.

Xethuminra posted...

We should be able to crush the Taliban. Were the USA.

This asinine mindset is what gets us into shit like this to begin with. It isn't a good one to have.

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Xethuminra posted...

If we dont destroyed them, it will make us look weak

That's because we are. We're three failing empires in an empire trench coat.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

And I'm not sure why you're deflecting and pretending like we do nothing about domestic terrorism as well.

Because we don't lmao

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Unknown5uspect posted...

This asinine mindset is what gets us into shit like this to begin with. It isn't a good one to have.

Our military cant beat the Taliban?

Okay, now we have domestic problems again. People no longer feel safe. This leads to distrust. In a major way. It will have ramifications. Its a great opportunity to turn what was surely meant to be a gesture of kindness on the part of the Biden Administrations behalf.... into a real damn victory for them. Unleash the hounds, man. Make it rain blood. Free the people. A war! Wars mean elections.

Its the Taliban, not Russia for Petes sake

Xethuminra posted...

It could make us look like the bad guys

America are not the good guys.

Not that I'm condoning the Taliban because they are also not the good guys, but the USA don't fight for some higher ideal. They fight for profit.

Tappor posted...

Because we don't lmao

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-militia.html

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Xethuminra posted...

Our military cant beat the Taliban?

20 years has proven that no, they can't. You're free to go in and try tho if you think it's so simple a task.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-militia.html

Something about this is that it was basically cooked up by the FBI
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agent-told-informant-among-005000347.html

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Glob posted...

America are not the good guys.

Not that I'm condoning the Taliban because they are also not the good guys, but the USA don't fight for some higher ideal. They fight for profit.

Youre proving my point.

Its an opinion and its wrong and it needs to be reversed.

Xethuminra posted...

Youre proving my point.

Its an opinion and its wrong and it needs to be reversed.

Not trying to be horrible here but you just seem deluded by patriotism.

Antifar posted...

Something about this is that it was basically cooked up by the FBI
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agent-told-informant-among-005000347.html

Aww the poor terrorist was entrapped by the FBI into plotting to kidnap the governor?!

Poor baby, sucks to suck

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Glob posted...

Not trying to be horrible here but you just seem deluded by patriotism.

Why would you support lowering the quality of our national image?

It's pretty much a shit show on every account, anyone with a brain would've secured your exit with a long timeline to ensure all americans and allies got out.

Instead, we just left and said have fun with the country, Taliban.

Solid Snake07 posted...

You're a sick man and should seek help. No one is hand waving anything you're just trying to derail this into a tangent about the capital riots for no reason. People who participated in that riot and broke the law should be held accountable for the laws they broke. And no, I don't know the details of every capital riot case, and neither do you. They arrested like 500 people.

But you're seriously sick in the fucking head if you're going to equate that riot to attacks like blowing up buildings or shooting up churches and gay night clubs. The Trump presidency has clearly melted your god damn brain dude

9/10 melty, would trigger again

Know why your "argument" sucks? These terrorists that you're raving like a lunatic about have been caught, tried, convicted, and will die in prison. So not sure why the melty. The 1/6 terrorists have largely gone unpunished and are even being given preferential treatment in prison, right down to being granted release to go on vacation.

But hey, don't let that stop your rant about people that have already been dealt with, and don't let it hurt your narrative that we don't ignore domestic terrorism in the US.

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Xethuminra posted...

Why would you support lowering the quality of our national image?

That's not what I said.

I'm not talking about changing anything. The image of the USA when it comes to warfare isn't positive and there is a very valid reason for that.

PoundGarden posted...

9/10 melty, would trigger again

Lol, people telling you the stupid shit you're saying is stupid isn't a meltdown.

But that mentality definitely explains a lot about you and how you ended up this way.

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PoundGarden posted...

These terrorists that you're raving like a lunatic about have been caught, tried, convicted, and will die in prison.

Yeah, that was the point genius.

PoundGarden posted...

The 1/6 terrorists have largely gone unpunished and are even being given preferential treatment in prison, right down to being granted release to go on vacation.

Okay? Sounds like you have an issue with the courts.

None of this means nothing was done about jan 6. And other, quite frankly more serious, domestic terrorist occurances. Im not even sure why you're grandstanding on this. You're the one who brought up jan 6th as an example of the US government doing nothing about domestic terrorism, even though that's factually false. You're just pulling some weird arguement out of you ass that the courts aren't being harsh enough on them.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Okay? Sounds like you have an issue with the courts.

No, I have issue with your outrageous fucking statement that the US does not go soft on domestic terrorists. It was a profoundly stupid thing to say, and even you should've known how ridiculous and wrong that statement was.

You could show a sliver of character and admit your folly, or just continue down the road you've chosen and stamp your feet, throw out insults and spray seltzer and toss pies around.

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I think it's pretty disgusting that some people are handwaving away 3000+ american deaths in a a terrorist attack on our home soil as "a few civilian casualties". Regardless of how you stand on the whole middle east thing, trying to minimize what happened because you want to win an internet argument is fucked up.

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We never should of ernt there in the first place
20 years! Countless deaths. Billions of dollars wasted. And for what?! Haliburton?

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Perascamin posted...

I understand that the US was only involved in Afghanistan for the money, but still my soul aches for the innocent people now being harassed, beaten, and killed while the world turns their backs and looks away.

Is this the better way? The US carried out so many drone strikes...how many poor people did we hurt and kill through our recklessness and blatant disregard for human life? It's an impossible problem. It just feels like there's no solution. God be with the people of Afghanistan.

My soul aches too, but at the end of the day it is there responsibility. We gave them weapons and the outnumbered the taliban 6x over. The president ran away with 190million dollars and the soldiers who could ahve stopped this laid down their arms and let the taliban back in. Regardless of how we left, the soldiers and army personally we shittily trained and paid didn't fight for a better country. The US revolution could pay it's soldiers but we stuck it through and fought a even bigger army. They did nothing. There are some willing to fight and I hope they can rule up the masses to push back but in the end it isn't our fight anymore. We weren't really helping all that much anyways, sure we provided some security while we were their but their stability was rock bottom.

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yutterh posted...

My soul aches too, but at the end of the day it is there responsibility. We gave them weapons and the outnumbered the taliban 6x over. The president ran away with 190million dollars and the soldiers who could ahve stopped this laid down their arms and let the taliban back in. Regardless of how we left, the soldiers and army personally we shittily trained and paid didn't fight for a better country. The US revolution could pay it's soldiers but we stuck it through and fought a even bigger army. They did nothing. There are some willing to fight and I hope they can rule up the masses to push back but in the end it isn't our fight anymore. We weren't really helping all that much anyways, sure we provided some security while we were their but their stability was rock bottom.

Those poor children...I just can't fathom why it is like this. The people of Afghanistan deserve peace. They deserve equality too, but it won't happen under the Taliban. And I understand that the people of Afghanistan need to fight if they want an equal society, but maybe they're just tired of the fighting. I wish I could help.

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pogo_rabid posted...

I think it's pretty disgusting that some people are handwaving away 3000+ american deaths in a a terrorist attack on our home soil as "a few civilian casualties". Regardless of how you stand on the whole middle east thing, trying to minimize what happened because you want to win an internet argument is fucked up.

We were already in the middle east. 9/11 didn't change anything but sway public opinion to turn up the dial.

Perascamin posted...

Those poor children...I just can't fathom why it is like this. The people of Afghanistan deserve peace. They deserve equality too, but it won't happen under the Taliban. And I understand that the people of Afghanistan need to fight if they want an equal society, but maybe they're just tired of the fighting. I wish I could help.

It won't happen under American occupation either. We can't fix it, it's not our place to, and our presence only creates more turmoil and death. Our continued presence also gives every generation something to rally together and fight against, we are an excellent talking point for recruiters.

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Perascamin posted...

Those poor children...I just can't fathom why it is like this. The people of Afghanistan deserve peace. They deserve equality too, but it won't happen under the Taliban. And I understand that the people of Afghanistan need to fight if they want an equal society, but maybe they're just tired of the fighting. I wish I could help.

Yeah the generation that group up under pir wing had hope and now it was all dashed. A hope for a better Afghanistan lost to them. Now it's back to business, the Taliban way. It sucks, it really sucks.

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What happened there only makes sense if you presume that the US was there to harvest resources.

If our goal was to get Bin Laden, we accomplished that a decade ago. If our goal was to bring democracy to Afghanistan, we should have had weekly or monthly "why we fight" updates on how our involvement has positively affected the lives of the nation's people and soldiered on for absolutely as long as it took. If we were there to bring democracy, we should have had updates on women becoming doctors and teachers for the first time to reassure that we were doing the right thing. They had some of those videos during the Bush Administration, but I guess they can be written off as propaganda now. We clearly didn't mean it.

Any woman who voted or became a teacher or doctor is going to have memories of things she won't likely return to.

should have made malls and mcdonalds there

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