Current Events > I just don't get the pro life argument, like forreal help me understand

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Baby is not even viable until early 20s weeks and even then they will be on life support when they come out.

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It's called being an idiot.

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The thing that gets me about the pro life argument is "I'm only in favour of abortion in cases of rape". I think that just reveals that for them it's about punishing/controlling women, rather than any "it's murder!" aspect. Because if you do believe it is baby murder, why are you willing to murder a baby in that scenario??

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My neighbor, grown ass man, chill guy, always making dirty jokes and tryna get laughs, randomly flipped a serious switch on me and would only refer to pro choicers as baby killers. I was taken aback and just flipped the subject.

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Literally called being an idiot.

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If there is a heartbeat there is life, taking it should be murder imo

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As a proud feminist I am pro-choice. But I also believe abortion is unborn baby murder.

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All life is precious until you want my tax dollars to give it a decent upbringing.

realnifty1 posted...

All life is precious until you want my tax dollars to give it a decent upbringing.

100% this

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realnifty1 posted...

All life is precious until you want my tax dollars to give it a decent upbringing.

You have the right to not be murdered, not the right to their money

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It's religion for the most part

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Heartomaton posted...

It's called being an idiot.

Robot2600 posted...

Literally called being an idiot.

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Sciencetists say the soul is created in the zygote stage.

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It's an emotional reaction. "But your killing babies!!!1!"

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Sciencetists say the soul is created in the zygote stage.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Sciencetists say the soul is created in the zygote stage.

What do baby souls have to do with goats

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I believe that life starts at conception.

No amount of scientific conjecture could ever change the mind of a pro-lifer, nor could any amount of spiritual conjecture change the mind of a pro-choicer. Everything can be defined preemptively based on what you already think to be the primary train of thought; I doubt an atheist who follows more scientists than pastors will make the case for pro-life, and vice versa.

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AssultTank posted...

I think it is morally problematic, but societally necessary.

From a morality perspective, it's not a simple question, and it's one that is being debated quite hotly in philosophical circles. Both sides have good points depending on which moral framework you hold to. Even utilitarians can't agree with each other on if abortion is morally permissible or not, much less when you mix in Kantians, virtue ethicists, etc...

To just say one side is 100% right is to ignore a LOT of philosophical thought.

This..

I actually refuse to argue with anyone who just picks whatever their "tribe" thinks is correct and goes from there without any thought. It's not a simple thing.

I'm pro-choice but I think aborting a baby at 38 weeks because all of a sudden you change your mind (a rare happening, but it does occur) should be illegal. My own daughter was born at 37 weeks and turned out fine. If you can abort a baby legally at 38 weeks then, philosophically, murdering my daughter when she was in the hospital's NICU would be just as morally OK.

This probably isn't the best place to ask, if you want a pro-life/anti-abortion perspective.

AssultTank posted...

I think it is morally problematic, but societally necessary.

From a morality perspective, it's not a simple question, and it's one that is being debated quite hotly in philosophical circles. Both sides have good points depending on which moral framework you hold to. Even utilitarians can't agree with each other on if abortion is morally permissible or not, much less when you mix in Kantians, virtue ethicists, etc...

To just say one side is 100% right is to ignore a LOT of philosophical thought.

good post.
outspoken libs tend to be way too flippant about killing a developing human.

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AssultTank posted...

I think it is morally problematic, but societally necessary.

From a morality perspective, it's not a simple question, and it's one that is being debated quite hotly in philosophical circles. Both sides have good points depending on which moral framework you hold to. Even utilitarians can't agree with each other on if abortion is morally permissible or not, much less when you mix in Kantians, virtue ethicists, etc...

To just say one side is 100% right is to ignore a LOT of philosophical thought.

honestly whats wrong with ignoring philosophical thought?

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Explain to me this pro lifers...

If a baby or child is in life support, it's the parents choice on whether to withdraw support or continue care. That's not considered murder

Any fetus before 20 something weeks is unviable and even then would need life support when born. So should it not be the mothers right to withdraw that support?

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The state shouldn't have the power to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term before 20 weeks.

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I'm Kind of pro choice on the matter, if only becuase barring certain circumstances like health or rape then I don't believe couples are fit to be parents then, or ever for that matter.

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Its about punishing women. Nothing more.

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