Current Events > Alienware laptop delayed again. Screw that. I'm cancelling

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Lenovo it is.


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Honestly the Lenovo seems like a better computer anyway, especially considering it's cheaper by $300

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Had an Alienware back when they were still an independent company, thing lasted me maybe like two years before it shit the bed.

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Hexenherz posted...

Had an Alienware back when they were still an independent company, thing lasted me maybe like two years before it shit the bed.

I've heard Lenovo makes really good shit (IIRC their laptop division is literally IBM's old division)

Also I'd much rather have a QHD screen than a 4K screen. Plus the Lenovo one is HDR.


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Hexenherz posted...

thing lasted me maybe like two years before it shit the bed.

that's too short of a computer life :(.
was expecting at least 4 mininum.

still have a POS computer running 10 years now.
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Lenovo bears the stigma of being a plain ass work PC hundreds of employers contract them for but they're still incredibly efficient laptops.

Imagine throwing a 3080 in those guts too. Probably handles all the 3D editing software like The Mountain lifting 100lb manlet.

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DarkRoast posted...

I've heard Lenovo makes really good shit (IIRC their laptop division is literally IBM's old division)

Also I'd much rather have a QHD screen than a 4K screen. Plus the Lenovo one is HDR.

It's like any company really, if you go for a higher end model you're gonna get a higher end product. I will rarely ever spend less than like $800 for a laptop any more because my experience with anything cheaper has *always* been negative. Lenovo included... had a Lenovo from work and it was baller, bought a lower end model for home use and it sucked ass, frame fell apart after several months and it underperformed :(

kingdrake2 posted...

that's too short of a computer life :(.
was expecting at least 4 mininum.

still have a POS computer running 10 years now.

that's my luck with laptops usually.

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I have had a lenovo for about 5 years now and am looking to upgrade. I've had no problems with it.

I was recommended the new mac book pros. Which I know absolutely nothing about, thanks for putting the specs of a new high end lenovo in the OP lol.

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Honestly, at this point I just can't justify ever going with anything Dell related again. Their customer service was so bad.

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Why the fuck are you buying a Dell anyways?

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Alucard188 posted...

Why the fuck are you buying a Dell anyways?

I was able to stack enough coupons to get the price down quite a lot from msrp, but actually the Lenovo one is still cheaper despite having a larger hard drive and more RAM. Really, the only downside to that one is that it's 1440p instead of 4k, but given that it's a laptop I actually think that's preferable.

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4K is a waste of money right now anyways. If you're going for a gaming laptop, 1080p or 1440p at the absolute most. There's nothing on the market that can adequately power a 4K gaming experience.

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Alucard188 posted...

Why the fuck are you buying a Dell anyways?

Dell make solid laptops for at least work purposes :|

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Alucard188 posted...

4K is a waste of money right now anyways. If you're going for a gaming laptop, 1080p or 1440p at the absolute most. There's nothing on the market that can adequately power a 4K gaming experience.

Well I mean you can do 4K with the higher spec 3080 mobile gpus but at best you're getting 60 frames per second. Certainly not ultra high refresh stuff. That was my big complaint with the alienware, the only options were 1080P or 4K. The laptop 3080 ideally is a 1440p 120 FPS GPU, and I do think Alienware was being pretty unrealistic with their 4K 120 HZ screen. At best, you could probably have a reasonable gaming experience with dlss upscaling to 4K, but would that really be any better than native 1440p?

Although honestly, since they all have HDMI 2.1, an external 4K screen is really the better option if you want to game at 4k. A 16 or 17 inch 4K screen is just a waste.

The Lenovo has a MUX Switch as well as both(!) GSync and AMDs FreeSync, which is pretty awesome too.

Only thing I'm wondering about is the keyboard, I don't have any experience with Lenovo laptop keyboards, but supposedly the Alienware cherry MX keyboard is really good.

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Are you. Fucking. Kidding. Me?

I waited TWO FUCKING MONTHS for Alienware, but Lenovo ships the SAME DAY with one day shipping?

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Is Dell run by worms or something what the fuck

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How long is that coupon good for?


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Alteres posted...

How long is that coupon good for?

It's automatic. Here's the link:

https://bit.ly/2UXhzaC

Supposedly you can get even more off (like 10%) if you're a Nurse or First Responder, but my hospital doesn't have the kind of ID verification it requires.


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Cool, thanks.

That with the coupon is almost coincidentally the same price as the cheapest Mac Pro 16, and is way better.

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Alteres posted...

Cool, thanks.

That with the coupon is almost coincidentally the same price as the cheapest Mac Pro 16, and is way better.

I'll be honest - I did as much research as I could on this, but apparently it hasn't been in stock in the US ever. So the only reviews I could find were from the UK and such. But JustinTechTips (really good new-ish YouTube reviewer) liked it better than the MSI Raider and Alienware X17 because the thermals were a lot better. But the HDR 500 nit 1600p screen is quite a nice plus.

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DarkRoast posted...

Is Dell run by worms or something what the fuck

Yes.

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DarkRoast posted...

Is Dell run by worms or something what the fuck

You should watch Linus Tech Tips' video series where they buy pre-built computers and test the varying degrees of quality, including tech support and shipping. Dell ranked near the bottom, if not dead last. That includes their premium Alienware brand.

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Alucard188 posted...

You should watch Linus Tech Tips' video series where they buy pre-built computers and test the varying degrees of quality, including tech support and shipping. Dell ranked near the bottom, if not dead last. That includes their premium Alienware brand.

Is Lenovo ok?

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DarkRoast posted...

Is Lenovo ok?

Honestly can't remember. They dealt with more of the boutique system integrators instead of the laptops. Laptops are pretty self-contained units.

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What's wrong with your Alienware PC you just bought?

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DirkDiggles posted...

What's wrong with your Alienware PC you just bought?

If you're referring to the desktop that I bought last year, I had to return it because there were faulty parts inside. It wouldn't boot past the BIOS. I only had it for like a week. As for the laptop, it never shipped. That's the point of this topic.

I've definitely learned my lesson with this brand.

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I currently have a Lenovo and I am quite happy with it.

I have owned two Alienware laptops in the past. One of them still works and plays all my games Windows 10 won't.

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Actually, I'm kind of excited that I'm going to have a laptop with hdr. Really, the main reason I like to play on HDTVs is because of HDR support, so this is a pretty big upgrade.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwexSbaPm0s&ab_channel=TimoSatta

Cyberpunk 2077 with RT set to Ultra and everything maxed at 1600p = 60fps

That's really damn impressive

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I use my old one as a hot plate holder now to keep food warm

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Bad_Mojo posted...

I use my old one as a hot plate holder now to keep food warm

lol, for some reason I thought you were this dude:

Wii_Shaker posted...

I currently have a Lenovo and I am quite happy with it.

I have owned two Alienware laptops in the past. One of them still works and plays all my games Windows 10 won't.

Who had come back to make that comment after 3 hrs.

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I'm down with this minimalist design tho

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Just got the email, will be at my house on Tuesday. It took 3 days to get what Alienware couldn't ship for over 2 months.

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I had a good experience with my Lenovo, my only real nitpick was that it was difficult to open it up and tinker with the insides. Unsure if they made it easier or not to do that. The way the screws were placed and general design made it kind of a pain just to upgrade the RAM.

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Hexenherz posted...

Had an Alienware back when they were still an independent company, thing lasted me maybe like two years before it shit the bed.

A well built computer should last you a MINIMUM of 10 years.

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Vyrulisse posted...

I had a good experience with my Lenovo, my only real nitpick was that it was difficult to open it up and tinker with the insides. Unsure if they made it easier or not to do that. The way the screws were placed and general design made it kind of a pain just to upgrade the RAM.

Honestly, until now all I really knew Lenovo for was there tendency to be relatively higher end business laptops. They pretty much kept with the IBM design and quality ethos. Haven't really heard much about legion, although they sell quite a lot of esports peripherals.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ulhFi5N2hc

Alienware is trash

DarkRoast posted...

I've heard Lenovo makes really good shit (IIRC their laptop division is literally IBM's old division)

Their ThinkPad line is what made them famous.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

A well built computer should last you a MINIMUM of 10 years.

My PC has lasted me around 13 years, but I've had to change the power source like 5 times and the HDD once.

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DarkRoast posted...

Honestly, until now all I really knew Lenovo for was there tendency to be relatively higher end business laptops. They pretty much kept with the IBM design and quality ethos. Haven't really heard much about legion, although they sell quite a lot of esports peripherals.

Think of Lenovo's "Legion" brand as their "Gaming Brand"

Many PC Manufacturing companies have their dedicated "Gaming Brand":

Acer = "Predator"
ASUS = "RoG (Republic of Gamers)".
Dell = "Alienware"
GigaByte = "Aorus".
HP = "Omen"
Lenovo = "Legion"

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Think of Lenovo's "Legion" brand as their "Gaming Brand"

Many PC Manufacturing companies have their dedicated "Gaming Brand":

Acer = "Predator"
ASUS = "RoG (Republic of Gamers)".
Dell = "Alienware"
GigaByte = "Aorus".
HP = "Omen"
Lenovo = "Legion"

Dell actually has their own gaming brand that isn't alienware, because that makes sense

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

My PC has lasted me around 13 years, but I've had to change the power source like 5 times and the HDD once.

If they gave you 1x Quality PSU + you use a UPS (Uniterruptible Power Supply), you wouldn't have had to change your PSU in that 13 years.

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DarkRoast posted...

Dell actually has their own gaming brand that isn't alienware, because that makes sense

I don't understand Dell's management logic, why they needed to create a "Dell Gaming Brand" when they literally bought Alienware.

What was the point of that purchase?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

I don't understand Dell's management logic, why they needed to create a "Dell Gaming Brand" when they literally bought Alienware.

What was the point of that purchase?

It's strange, I think they originally argued that Alienware was going to still be a standalone brand, but in every other way except design ethos it's pretty much just Dell at this point

ASUS TUF and ROG are pretty confusing too, since TUF sometimes actually has better performing products than ROG despite being the supposedly cheaper line.


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I love my Predator laptop. They do thermals so good, I have only had thermal throttling that I seriously noticed once.

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Error1355 posted...

I love my Predator laptop. They do thermals so good, I have only had thermal throttling that I seriously noticed once.

I've always really liked acer, but I can't help but feel like they've started to do the OnePlus thing where they used to be high quality at a very reasonable price, and now they are very high quality at a slightly higher relative price than before. Not that it's a bad thing, but it kind of takes away one of the main selling points.

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I'm using a Walmart EVOO brand gaming laptop, and honestly it's the best one I've ever owned lmao

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DarkRoast posted...

Really, the only downside to that one is that it's 1440p instead of 4k, but given that it's a laptop I actually think that's preferable.

1440p is actually a Up-side for you IMO.

It's actually a win / win IMO.

Easier for the Video Card to drive =
-> less Pixels to process per frame
-> less Heat generated
-> less fan noise
-> less energy consumed while on battery

For a LapTop, the ideal PPI for a display to seem "Retina" should be around 216-220, Apple got it right when they did the calculations for how dense they want their pixels to be on their Displays.


https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/

Your Razer Blade 15 with 4K display is too dense and just sucks more battery power & pixel processing power from your GPU.

How long can you game on Battery?
What compromises are made when gaming on Battery?

The Lenovo is closer to ideal, only slightly under.


And on a LapTop, battery power consumption actually does matter to many folks, so not having to drive that many pixels is a win/win no matter how you look at it.

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Yep, but also it's a higher refresh screen @ 165 Hz instead of 120 Hz, which isn't major but still helps. And it has a MUX switch.


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