Current Events > So does the Taliban takeover mean that the U.S. technically lost another war?

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Just like losing the Vietnam War with the Fall of Saigon, did the U.S. lose another war with the Fall of Kabul? This is technically the second war the U.S. has ever lost?

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"But the US never declared war, so they couldn't have lost a war. I am very smart."

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Lost control of an area, not a war

usa can take it back, however they will see how Taliban's Emirate rolls along

if they see One sign of bad things, they go back in

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No. America is still undefeated in wars

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

No. America is still undefeated in wars

People believe this

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

No. America is still undefeated in wars

America lost the war of 1812 to Canada


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We unfortunately have a horrible administration. This is one of countless mishandling. The border " challenge "" is one example.

the pandemic deaths seems more of a war-loss than that

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

"But the US never declared war, so they couldn't have lost a war. I am very smart."

Joeydollaz posted...

Lost control of an area, not a war

Ya called it by 25 seconds, more or less

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

No. America is still undefeated in wars

"I don't know anything about history"

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Are people gonna start using the "it was a tie" thing just like they did with Vietnam?

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Such a quick takeover of an entire country is a sign that the Taliban are fundamentally embedded within the Afghani majority. We discussed this a few weeks back on CE too.... how the citizens there behave with the Taliban to a considerable degree. Theyve taken over. What would a full-scale US occupation of Afghanistan look like now? At this point, given what the Taliban is.... I think the UN needs to intervene & reach a decision quick. The situation is super concerning.

We definitely lost the war on drugs, too.

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America succeeded in its goal to get rid of Osama Bin Laden, but was unsuccessful in its attempts to tear Afghanistan away from the Taliban. The latter was never a realistic goal. Had the troops left after getting Bin Laden, it absolutely would have been a victory for the US. (But people made money off of the war, so it kept on going.)

It's pretty crazy. America got Bin Laden. America arrested the cofounder of the Taliban. (He was released and is now president of Afghanistan.) And America inflicted 20,000 enemy casualties to the 6,000 casualties it suffered. Yet, it's a loss of objectives. It's like being in a boxing match where you win every round except the last one and the judges rule in favor of the opponent. It's sheer madness. But that's what happens when you're fighting to take a country and you're unable to do so.

If this war hadn't been run by profiteers. If they'd killed Bin Laden, told the Taliban, "fuck your shit, we'll go home if you give us our prisoners of war back," it would have been a dominant US victory. But we stayed for reasons we can only speculate as to. Did the US stay to strip the area of its minerals? Did they think they could realistically secure the region? Was it just a matter of people profiting from supplying the war? We'll never know.

It was capitalism America lost to, not the Taliban.

US hasn't won since WW2 or the civil war or something?

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Cheater87 posted...

US hasn't won since WW2 or the civil war or something?

Iraq.

It wasn't a war that we could have won to begin with.

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Has kamala harris talked about women's rights in Afghanistan? I know she's never been to Europe.

how do you take over something the size of this, that's pretty much all desert and other non-hospitable terrain?

the Taliban offensive is just mindboggling.

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I'd say they lost the occupation not the war. They kicked the Taliban's ass at the start but the rest of them all went into hiding and just waited the US out.

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No. We just relinquished control cause we deemed it was no longer worth it. We went there for a reason and succeeded in that even if the bastard was another castle... I mean country.

I mean we where mostly just aiding the Afghan military these past years wherent we? So it technically wasnt our war at that point

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The purpose wasnt to defeat the taliban or establish government. It was to produce opium for the pharmaceutical companies and get oil. The soldiers have basically told us as much. It was about profit and nothing more.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

No. America is still undefeated in wars

"America won the Civil War!"

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Hexenherz posted...

It wasn't a war that we could have won to begin with.

True.

Payzmaykr posted...

The purpose wasnt to defeat the taliban or establish government. It was to produce opium for the pharmaceutical companies and get oil. The soldiers have basically told us as much. It was about profit and nothing more.

I feel it was also a case of retalition for 9/11. We done nothing it theoretically could have opened the door for more attacks if we simply wouldnt do anything about them. Both this and what you said could be true at the same time.

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Nukazie posted...

the pandemic deaths seems more of a war-loss than that

the price of freedom from masks and vaccine. some wanted it. others didn't.
sucks most of all for the immuno-compromised or those who cant get the shot they pay the ultimate price.
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Yeah, Afghanistan was part of the "War on Terror". So yes, America did lose.

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008Zulu posted...

Yeah, Afghanistan was part of the "War on Terror". So yes, America did lose.

But they didnt defeat America. America effectively kept them out of power the whole time they where there. America just got tired of being there or some shit and said fuck it.

I guess you can call it a loss if you consider it losing a video game cauae you got bored of it half way through and quit.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Iraq.

You could argue the US technically won, but the resulting government is fairly hostile to US interests and is much more closely aligned with Iran, one of the biggest geopolitical enemies of the US.

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America won the war a decade ago, then un-won it now. So it balances out.

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ssjevot posted...

You could argue the US technically won, but the resulting government is fairly hostile to US interests and is much more closely aligned with Iran, one of the biggest geopolitical enemies of the US.

Yeah we kinda did kill their leader. Or got him killed. That was the only reason I didnt mind that war so much. He was a horrible man that deserved death.

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Biden lost the war

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There hasn't been a war in Afganistan for years. It is amazing how people are happy that Taliban took over just so they could promote this dumb as narrative.

Considering the money lost, you could possibly argue that they years ago.