Current Events > The Taliban now taking over Afghan w. new oppression all thanks to US withdrawal

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Mackorov 08/14/21 2:18:37 AM #1:	wOW GREAT IDEA WITHDRAWING ALL OUR TROOPS HUH? <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957071775] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>wOW GREAT IDEA WITHDRAWING ALL OUR TROOPS HUH? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 08/14/21 2:20:09 AM #2:	You're right, we should just stay there forever. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:957071803] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>You're right, we should just stay there forever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:20:57 AM #3:	https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliban-seize-kandahar-prepare-to-march-on-kabul-11628846975 https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/08/14/afghanistans-neighbours-are-preparing-for-life-with-the-taliban https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/embassies-get-staff-out-afghanistan-taliban-claim-two-big-cities-2021-08-13/ And you know what's the funny thing? Apart from now allowing a terrorist organisation to seize a country and operate back on a global scale of terror whilst oppressing the people through a new totalitarian dictatoship, we're also instigating a brand new refugee crisis and thousands of Afghans are going to start fleeing the country once more. Seriously, ignoramus like you guys that have been against global involvement dont know a damn s* about geopolitics until it affects you <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957071817] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliban-seize-kandahar-prepare-to-march-on-kabul-11628846975 https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/08/14/afghanistans-neighbours-are-preparing-for-life-with-the-taliban https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/embassies-get-staff-out-afghanistan-taliban-claim-two-big-cities-2021-08-13/ And you know what's the funny thing? Apart from now allowing a terrorist organisation to seize a country and operate back on a global scale of terror whilst oppressing the people through a new totalitarian dictatoship, we're also instigating a brand new refugee crisis and thousands of Afghans are going to start fleeing the country once more. Seriously, ignoramus like you guys that have been against global involvement dont know a damn s* about geopolitics until it affects you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:22:52 AM #4:	1337toothbrush posted... You're right, we should just stay there forever. the plan was to stay there until the Taliban gets eradicated. This was of course easier said than done, but with the slow withdrawal of support from the White House, it's not like the cause could be furthered significantly. Also there's no con to the US being there?? So what if the US is siphoning oil and resources from the country? The country still benefitted from more peace, security as well as economic and military technology/tactics passed down to the local troops. Now without US intervention, the country is going to s* <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957071853] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite> <quote>You're right, we should just stay there forever.</quote> the plan was to stay there until the Taliban gets eradicated. This was of course easier said than done, but with the slow withdrawal of support from the White House, it's not like the cause could be furthered significantly. Also there's no con to the US being there?? So what if the US is siphoning oil and resources from the country? The country still benefitted from more peace, security as well as economic and military technology/tactics passed down to the local troops. Now without US intervention, the country is going to s* </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/14/21 2:23:04 AM #5:	USA never shows up: Taliban in charge. USA wastes 20 years of blood and treasure: Taliban in charge. I expect that if we propped up a modern culture there for 40 fucking years, the Taliban would swiftly burn it down and be in charge again as soon as we stopped propping up the government. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:957071858] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>USA never shows up: Taliban in charge. USA wastes 20 years of blood and treasure: Taliban in charge. I expect that if we propped up a modern culture there for 40 fucking years, the Taliban would swiftly burn it down and be in charge again as soon as we stopped propping up the government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:24:09 AM #6:	This same logic applies to why the US intervened so heavily against China invading Taiwan during the Cold War (and even till today). The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957071876] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>This same logic applies to why the US intervened so heavily against China invading Taiwan during the Cold War (and even till today). The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 08/14/21 2:24:14 AM #7:	Mackorov posted... The country still benefitted from more peace, security as well as economic and military technology/tactics passed down to the local troops Clearly that military training meant precisely jack shit. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:957071877] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted...</cite> <quote> The country still benefitted from more peace, security as well as economic and military technology/tactics passed down to the local troops</quote> Clearly that military training meant precisely jack shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:24:41 AM #8:	ThePrinceFish posted... USA never shows up: Taliban in charge. USA wastes 20 years of blood and treasure: Taliban in charge. I expect that if we propped up a modern culture there for 40 fucking years, the Taliban would swiftly burn it down and be in charge again as soon as we stopped propping up the government. The Taliban was no longer in charge when the US showed up. What f**ing book are you reading? Yes, it's a slow war of attrition but like I said, there was NO big disadvantage over advantage to the US being there. US casualty rates were also extremely low over a span of that many years, especially after their military bases stabilized in the country. ignorant people like you are the same reason this world is going to be overtaken by China one day <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957071886] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>USA never shows up: Taliban in charge. USA wastes 20 years of blood and treasure: Taliban in charge. I expect that if we propped up a modern culture there for 40 fucking years, the Taliban would swiftly burn it down and be in charge again as soon as we stopped propping up the government.</quote> The Taliban was no longer in charge when the US showed up. What f**ing book are you reading? Yes, it's a slow war of attrition but like I said, there was NO big disadvantage over advantage to the US being there. US casualty rates were also extremely low over a span of that many years, especially after their military bases stabilized in the country. ignorant people like you are the same reason this world is going to be overtaken by China one day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 08/14/21 2:25:01 AM #10:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Clearly that training meant precisely jack shit. It left some shiny new weapons on the ground for the Taliban to add to their armories once the government fighters fled immediately. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:957071894] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>Clearly that training meant precisely jack shit.</quote>It left some shiny new weapons on the ground for the Taliban to add to their armories once the government fighters fled immediately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/14/21 2:25:13 AM #11:	Mackorov posted... the plan was to stay there until the Taliban gets eradicated Oh shit no way --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:957071903] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted...</cite> <quote>the plan was to stay there until the Taliban gets eradicated</quote> Oh shit no way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 08/14/21 2:25:36 AM #12:	20 years, trillions of dollars, hundred of thousands of lives lost and this Mensa candidate wants to stay Party of fiscal responsibility <cite>What_ posted [p:957071911] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>20 years, trillions of dollars, hundred of thousands of lives lost and this Mensa candidate wants to stay Party of fiscal responsibility </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/14/21 2:31:06 AM #13:	shrug Majority sentiment seems to be we don't want to be the world police anymore. Suppose we'll have to sleep in the bed we've made. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:957071994] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>shrug Majority sentiment seems to be we don't want to be the world police anymore. Suppose we'll have to sleep in the bed we've made. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 08/14/21 2:32:29 AM #14:	The Taliban are going to make life worse for so many people in Afghanistan, but I'd bet they are hesitant to sponsor terrorism outside of Afghanistan. If the mess with America or China outside of Afghanistan they risk a military response. The Taliban seem to realize this and are already cutting deals with China. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:957072015] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>The Taliban are going to make life worse for so many people in Afghanistan, but I'd bet they are hesitant to sponsor terrorism outside of Afghanistan. If the mess with America or China outside of Afghanistan they risk a military response. The Taliban seem to realize this and are already cutting deals with China. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/14/21 2:33:58 AM #15:	If China wants to be the latest dumbass world power who thinks they can wrangle Afghanistan, they can enjoy the quagmire. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:957072030] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>If China wants to be the latest dumbass world power who thinks they can wrangle Afghanistan, they can enjoy the quagmire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/14/21 2:34:27 AM #16:	YellowSUV posted... The Taliban are going to make life worse for some many people in Afghanistan, but I'd bet they are hesitant to sponsor terrorism outside of Afghanistan. If the mess with America or China outside of Afghanistan they risk a military response. The Taliban seem to realize this and are already cutting deals with China. Not exacly encouraging.... --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:957072038] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted... </cite> <quote>The Taliban are going to make life worse for some many people in Afghanistan, but I'd bet they are hesitant to sponsor terrorism outside of Afghanistan. If the mess with America or China outside of Afghanistan they risk a military response. The Taliban seem to realize this and are already cutting deals with China.</quote> Not exacly encouraging.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 08/14/21 2:39:12 AM #17:	Were we supposed to support & educate entire generations of Afghani children on Democracy & patriotism for their country so that they would want to defend it themselves? If 20 years is not enough then how much longer? --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:957072117] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Were we supposed to support & educate entire generations of Afghani children on Democracy & patriotism for their country so that they would want to defend it themselves? If 20 years is not enough then how much longer? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:40:04 AM #18:	ThePrinceFish posted... If China wants to be the latest dumbass world power who thinks they can wrangle Afghanistan, they can enjoy the quagmire. LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957072123] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>ThePrinceFish posted... </cite> <quote>If China wants to be the latest dumbass world power who thinks they can wrangle Afghanistan, they can enjoy the quagmire.</quote> LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 2:41:12 AM #19:	iPhone_7 posted... Were we supposed to support & educate entire generations of Afghani children on Democracy & patriotism for their country so that they would want to defend it themselves? If 20 years is not enough then how much longer? that's what the US tried to do in the last several years in Afghan as they shifted focus from offensive to back-end training the local troops. You make a point though, maybe it's not feasible to expect the Taliban to be eradicated. It some point it becomes wishful thinking. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957072136] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Were we supposed to support & educate entire generations of Afghani children on Democracy & patriotism for their country so that they would want to defend it themselves? If 20 years is not enough then how much longer?</quote> that's what the US tried to do in the last several years in Afghan as they shifted focus from offensive to back-end training the local troops. You make a point though, maybe it's not feasible to expect the Taliban to be eradicated. It some point it becomes wishful thinking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/14/21 2:42:11 AM #20:	Mackorov posted... LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money. The ccp doesn't care about money, they care about influence. Sure there are parallels, but it's not really the same thing --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:957072148] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money.</quote> The ccp doesn't care about money, they care about influence. Sure there are parallels, but it's not really the same thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/14/21 2:42:24 AM #21:	The Taliban are fools for trying to deal with China. China holds all the cards in that negotiation. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957072150] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>The Taliban are fools for trying to deal with China. China holds all the cards in that negotiation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 08/14/21 2:45:23 AM #22:	It's something to think about if China is actually successful in dealing with the Taliban. Doubt it, but still scary to think about. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:957072190] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>It's something to think about if China is actually successful in dealing with the Taliban. Doubt it, but still scary to think about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 08/14/21 2:45:53 AM #23:	Mackorov posted... LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money. what do you think we were doing there? <cite>What_ posted [p:957072195] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>LOL China doesn't care. The CCP won't step their toes in any country they know they cant take advantage of or has little cost-benefit return to them. To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money.</quote> what do you think we were doing there? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/14/21 2:50:50 AM #24:	1337toothbrush posted... You're right, we should just stay there forever. We had less troops there then in places like Japan and Germany. It wasn't actually that much a burden. Yes we should have just stayed <cite>Zikten posted [p:957072246] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, we should just stay there forever. </quote> We had less troops there then in places like Japan and Germany. It wasn't actually that much a burden. Yes we should have just stayed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 08/14/21 2:52:07 AM #25:	Out of our hands now we need to keep our troops at home <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:957072261] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Out of our hands now we need to keep our troops at home </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/14/21 2:56:22 AM #26:	Mackorov posted... To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money. thats the american motto --- https://youtu.be/l-iLiNCScno https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM <cite>ModLogic posted [p:957072325] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>To them, it's not about helping humanity. It's about the money.</quote>thats the american motto </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 08/14/21 2:59:08 AM #27:	Bringing the troops back was long overdue. Even Vietnam didn't take 20 years. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM 1970-2020 (G.O.A.T.) <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:957072374] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Bringing the troops back was long overdue. Even Vietnam didn't take 20 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steelix500 08/14/21 3:08:16 AM #28:	We need to instigate a war between the Taliban and the CCP lmao <cite>Steelix500 posted [p:957072490] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>We need to instigate a war between the Taliban and the CCP lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 08/14/21 3:30:21 AM #29:	Zikten posted... We had less troops there then in places like Japan and Germany. It wasn't actually that much a burden. Yes we should have just stayed The number of troops means little when you still have to maintain support for the area. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:957072749] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>We had less troops there then in places like Japan and Germany. It wasn't actually that much a burden. Yes we should have just stayed</quote>The number of troops means little when you still have to maintain support for the area. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MegaCamerupt 08/14/21 3:31:58 AM #30:	America First <cite>MegaCamerupt posted [p:957072771] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>America First </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 08/14/21 3:34:16 AM #31:	It's clear Afghanistan's government don't want the responsibility of looking after the country. Make it an official state of a nation that does. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:957072793] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>It's clear Afghanistan's government don't want the responsibility of looking after the country. Make it an official state of a nation that does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/14/21 3:37:45 AM #32:	It's fine, Not-Duncan. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:957072836] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>It's fine, Not-Duncan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 4:09:23 AM #33:	What_ posted... what do you think we were doing there? the Americans go there and at least try to fight off the Taliban and save lives, even if siphoning off oil resources. the Chinese will go there, do nothing or just make some backdoor deal with the Taliban to collaborate and also siphon off oil resources then say they're there to fight the Taliban <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957073142] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>What_ posted... </cite> <quote>what do you think we were doing there? </quote> the Americans go there and at least try to fight off the Taliban and save lives, even if siphoning off oil resources. the Chinese will go there, do nothing or just make some backdoor deal with the Taliban to collaborate and also siphon off oil resources then say they're there to fight the Taliban </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 08/14/21 4:15:52 AM #34:	We couldn't eradicate the Taliban in 20 years and there's no reason to think we could do it in 100. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:957073199] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>We couldn't eradicate the Taliban in 20 years and there's no reason to think we could do it in 100. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/14/21 4:20:58 AM #35:	There's an odd theory where letting the taliban do everything all at once becomes its undoing. The Afghan army outnumbers the Taliban by five times. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957073264] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>There's an odd theory where letting the taliban do everything all at once becomes its undoing. The Afghan army outnumbers the Taliban by five times. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 08/14/21 4:30:30 AM #36:	https://www.dansanchez.me/feed/they-sow-the-cyclone-we-reap-the-blowback --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade https://imgur.com/MYYEIx5 https://imgur.com/WGE12ef <cite>solosnake posted [p:957073343] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>https://www.dansanchez.me/feed/they-sow-the-cyclone-we-reap-the-blowback </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/14/21 4:37:05 AM #37:	Mackorov posted... the Americans go there and at least try to fight off the Taliban and save lives lmfao the propaganda works --- https://youtu.be/l-iLiNCScno https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM <cite>ModLogic posted [p:957073405] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>the Americans go there and at least try to fight off the Taliban and save lives</quote>lmfao the propaganda works </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/14/21 4:37:07 AM #38:	Mackorov posted... https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliban-seize-kandahar-prepare-to-march-on-kabul-11628846975 https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/08/14/afghanistans-neighbours-are-preparing-for-life-with-the-taliban https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/embassies-get-staff-out-afghanistan-taliban-claim-two-big-cities-2021-08-13/ And you know what's the funny thing? Apart from now allowing a terrorist organisation to seize a country and operate back on a global scale of terror whilst oppressing the people through a new totalitarian dictatoship, we're also instigating a brand new refugee crisis and thousands of Afghans are going to start fleeing the country once more. Seriously, ignoramus like you guys that have been against global involvement dont know a damn s* about geopolitics until it affects you We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ? --- Kamala Harris: "I don't think America is a racist country" <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:957073406] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.wsj.com/articles/taliban-seize-kandahar-prepare-to-march-on-kabul-11628846975 https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/08/14/afghanistans-neighbours-are-preparing-for-life-with-the-taliban https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/embassies-get-staff-out-afghanistan-taliban-claim-two-big-cities-2021-08-13/ And you know what's the funny thing? Apart from now allowing a terrorist organisation to seize a country and operate back on a global scale of terror whilst oppressing the people through a new totalitarian dictatoship, we're also instigating a brand new refugee crisis and thousands of Afghans are going to start fleeing the country once more. Seriously, ignoramus like you guys that have been against global involvement dont know a damn s* about geopolitics until it affects you</quote> We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 08/14/21 4:42:19 AM #39:	cjsdowg posted... We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ? You saying the people as in the Afghans or the Americans? Because I'm pretty darn sure the Afghans would rather not be ruled by the Talibans <cite>Mackorov posted [p:957073452] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite> <quote>We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ?</quote> You saying the people as in the Afghans or the Americans? Because I'm pretty darn sure the Afghans would rather not be ruled by the Talibans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 08/14/21 4:46:08 AM #40:	1337toothbrush posted... You're right, we should just stay there forever. Mackorov posted... The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now Slaya4 posted... It's something to think about if China is actually successful in dealing with the Taliban. Doubt it, 008Zulu posted... It's clear Afghanistan's government don't want the responsibility of looking after the country. Make it an official state of a nation that does. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:957073484] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite> <quote>You're right, we should just stay there forever.</quote> Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now</quote> Slaya4 posted... </cite> <quote>It's something to think about if China is actually successful in dealing with the Taliban. Doubt it,</quote> 008Zulu posted... </cite> <quote>It's clear Afghanistan's government don't want the responsibility of looking after the country. Make it an official state of a nation that does.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShyOx 08/14/21 4:50:04 AM #41:	cjsdowg posted... We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ? Why not? As a hardcore liberal lefty and all that, I also understand the importance of a US presence abroad. This was clearly a populist move to try and win voters, but in the end it may backfire. We still have bases in Europe and S. Korea. If it took 50 years, it may have created a potential ally in the middle east and lets us put all kinds of pressure on other regional powers. It's the kind of investment that's worth it; Biden inherited this thing, but the only direction to go was up with the situation there. It had been a stalemate ever since the Obama's early first term and even El Trumpo didn't pull troops all the way. I think this was the wrong call; it doesn't matter anymore why we were there, we were there and there wasn't a good enough reason to leave. Part of serving is serving in foreign countries and US casualties were minimum now there was a system in place to help govern. If you're anti the policy towards letting Israel getting away with murder then it's crucial we gain allies in the middle east to balance that influence. After this we just have Saudi Arabia(who perpetuates a FUCK TON of crimes) and Israel (who perpetuate their fair share) as allies in the middle east. This 'get everyone home nao' type thinking is rooted in isolationism and weakens our position across the board. --- http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6938/vyqp.jpg DIPLOMACY <cite>ShyOx posted [p:957073517] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite> <quote>We caused call of this bullshit. The people wanted us out. Were you planning to stay over there forever ?</quote> Why not? As a hardcore liberal lefty and all that, I also understand the importance of a US presence abroad. This was clearly a populist move to try and win voters, but in the end it may backfire. We still have bases in Europe and S. Korea. If it took 50 years, it may have created a potential ally in the middle east and lets us put all kinds of pressure on other regional powers. It's the kind of investment that's worth it; Biden inherited this thing, but the only direction to go was up with the situation there. It had been a stalemate ever since the Obama's early first term and even El Trumpo didn't pull troops all the way. I think this was the wrong call; it doesn't matter anymore why we were there, we were there and there wasn't a good enough reason to leave. Part of serving is serving in foreign countries and US casualties were minimum now there was a system in place to help govern. If you're anti the policy towards letting Israel getting away with murder then it's crucial we gain allies in the middle east to balance that influence. After this we just have Saudi Arabia(who perpetuates a FUCK TON of crimes) and Israel (who perpetuate their fair share) as allies in the middle east. This 'get everyone home nao' type thinking is rooted in isolationism and weakens our position across the board. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/14/21 4:57:19 AM #42:	Mackorov posted... The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now Boo fucking who. America killed a lot of black and brown people who where pushing for communism and installed fucking war lords. Now these same Americans look at places in Africa, like why won't these people get it together. --- Kamala Harris: "I don't think America is a racist country" <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:957073577] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>The world doesn't seem to realize the global implications and importance of US playing 'world police' until the US finally withdraws. If the US didn't intervene in so many countries during the Cold War, I'm pretty sure at least half the world would be communist regimes by now</quote> Boo fucking who. America killed a lot of black and brown people who where pushing for communism and installed fucking war lords. Now these same Americans look at places in Africa, like why won't these people get it together. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/14/21 4:59:33 AM #43:	ShyOx posted... Why not? As a hardcore liberal lefty and all that, I also understand the importance of a US presence abroad. This was clearly a populist move to try and win voters, but in the end it may backfire. We still have bases in Europe and S. Korea. If it took 50 years, it may have created a potential ally in the middle east and lets us put all kinds of pressure on other regional powers. It's the kind of investment that's worth it; Biden inherited this thing, but the only direction to go was up with the situation there. It had been a stalemate ever since the Obama's early first term and even El Trumpo didn't pull troops all the way. I think this was the wrong call; it doesn't matter anymore why we were there, we were there and there wasn't a good enough reason to leave. Part of serving is serving in foreign countries and US casualties were minimum now there was a system in place to help govern. If you're anti the policy towards letting Israel getting away with murder then it's crucial we gain allies in the middle east to balance that influence. After this we just have Saudi Arabia(who perpetuates a FUCK TON of crimes) and Israel (who perpetuate their fair share) as allies in the middle east. This 'get everyone home nao' type thinking is rooted in isolationism and weakens our position across the board. Many people there did not want us there. This just makes it easier for more terrorist to grow. People hoped that if the US left sooner then those groups would not have a reason to get people to join. The US being there is one of the major driving forces in that . --- Kamala Harris: "I don't think America is a racist country" <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:957073598] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>ShyOx posted... </cite> <quote>Why not? As a hardcore liberal lefty and all that, I also understand the importance of a US presence abroad. This was clearly a populist move to try and win voters, but in the end it may backfire. We still have bases in Europe and S. Korea. If it took 50 years, it may have created a potential ally in the middle east and lets us put all kinds of pressure on other regional powers. It's the kind of investment that's worth it; Biden inherited this thing, but the only direction to go was up with the situation there. It had been a stalemate ever since the Obama's early first term and even El Trumpo didn't pull troops all the way. I think this was the wrong call; it doesn't matter anymore why we were there, we were there and there wasn't a good enough reason to leave. Part of serving is serving in foreign countries and US casualties were minimum now there was a system in place to help govern. If you're anti the policy towards letting Israel getting away with murder then it's crucial we gain allies in the middle east to balance that influence. After this we just have Saudi Arabia(who perpetuates a FUCK TON of crimes) and Israel (who perpetuate their fair share) as allies in the middle east. This 'get everyone home nao' type thinking is rooted in isolationism and weakens our position across the board.</quote> Many people there did not want us there. This just makes it easier for more terrorist to grow. People hoped that if the US left sooner then those groups would not have a reason to get people to join. The US being there is one of the major driving forces in that . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damar 08/14/21 5:02:41 AM #44:	Imagine wanting to stay in Afghanistan after we should have left 15 years ago. Billions of dollars,thousands of lives and nothing to show for it. And as for Afghanistan self determination is a fundamental right. Let them have at it. As if the average American cares about Afghanistan. We've got much more important things to worry about here at home. But it never fails to amuse when the far left progressives who shit on every military intervention America has ever done. Suddenly become neo con war hawks when it comes to withdrawal, just so they can stick it to Biden politically. <cite>Damar posted [p:957073640] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Imagine wanting to stay in Afghanistan after we should have left 15 years ago. Billions of dollars,thousands of lives and nothing to show for it. And as for Afghanistan self determination is a fundamental right. Let them have at it. As if the average American cares about Afghanistan. We've got much more important things to worry about here at home. But it never fails to amuse when the far left progressives who shit on every military intervention America has ever done. Suddenly become neo con war hawks when it comes to withdrawal, just so they can stick it to Biden politically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShyOx 08/14/21 5:23:37 AM #45:	cjsdowg posted... Many people there did not want us there. This just makes it easier for more terrorist to grow. People hoped that if the US left sooner then those groups would not have a reason to get people to join. The US being there is one of the major driving forces in that . Except them suddenly taking over doesn't really support that hypothesis at all, as they now have control over an entire country. Considering the lack of any serious terrorist acts from the Taliban on US soil or our allies it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power. --- http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6938/vyqp.jpg DIPLOMACY <cite>ShyOx posted [p:957073849] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite> <quote>Many people there did not want us there. This just makes it easier for more terrorist to grow. People hoped that if the US left sooner then those groups would not have a reason to get people to join. The US being there is one of the major driving forces in that .</quote> Except them suddenly taking over doesn't really support that hypothesis at all, as they now have control over an entire country. Considering the lack of any serious terrorist acts from the Taliban on US soil or our allies it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/14/21 5:37:36 AM #46:	Damar posted... But it never fails to amuse when the far left progressives who shit on every military intervention America has ever done. Suddenly become neo con war hawks when it comes to withdrawal, just so they can stick it to Biden politically. Who are these people saying that? Most people on the far left still want us out . --- Kamala Harris: "I don't think America is a racist country" <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:957074005] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Damar posted... </cite> <quote>But it never fails to amuse when the far left progressives who shit on every military intervention America has ever done. Suddenly become neo con war hawks when it comes to withdrawal, just so they can stick it to Biden politically.</quote> Who are these people saying that? Most people on the far left still want us out . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 08/14/21 5:47:17 AM #47:	ShyOx posted... it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power. I agree. There is a deployment of Marines from the US and UK, plus a detachment of Canadians in country to provide security during the transition. They have clear RoE, will the Taliban respect it. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:957074088] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>ShyOx posted... </cite> <quote>it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power.</quote> I agree. There is a deployment of Marines from the US and UK, plus a detachment of Canadians in country to provide security during the transition. They have clear RoE, will the Taliban respect it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damar 08/14/21 5:59:28 AM #48:	ShyOx posted... Except them suddenly taking over doesn't really support that hypothesis at all, as they now have control over an entire country. Considering the lack of any serious terrorist acts from the Taliban on US soil or our allies it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power. If they once again harbor terrorists who plan and engage in global acts of terrorism against us or our interests. Then we will simply obliterate the Taliban in a blizzard of cruise missiles and drone strikes. They can do what they like in their country after all it's theirs not ours. As long as they remember that we won't have a problem. Make no mistake our current military doctrine is the only thing preventing us dealing with any of these tinpot regimes. They'd be gone in an afternoon if we took the gloves off. <cite>Damar posted [p:957074215] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>ShyOx posted... </cite> <quote>Except them suddenly taking over doesn't really support that hypothesis at all, as they now have control over an entire country. Considering the lack of any serious terrorist acts from the Taliban on US soil or our allies it seems to be wise to stop them from taking power.</quote> If they once again harbor terrorists who plan and engage in global acts of terrorism against us or our interests. Then we will simply obliterate the Taliban in a blizzard of cruise missiles and drone strikes. They can do what they like in their country after all it's theirs not ours. As long as they remember that we won't have a problem. Make no mistake our current military doctrine is the only thing preventing us dealing with any of these tinpot regimes. They'd be gone in an afternoon if we took the gloves off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 08/14/21 6:29:37 AM #49:	Damar posted... They'd be gone in an afternoon if we took the gloves off. But without the buffer states, how would we proxy war? --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:957074512] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>Damar posted... </cite> <quote>They'd be gone in an afternoon if we took the gloves off.</quote> But without the buffer states, how would we proxy war? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damar 08/14/21 6:39:33 AM #50:	KodyKeir posted... But without the buffer states, how would we proxy war? The fuck are you talking about? <cite>Damar posted [p:957074617] in The Taliba... [t:79613221]...</cite> <quote>KodyKeir posted... </cite> <quote>But without the buffer states, how would we proxy war?</quote> The fuck are you talking about? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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