Current Events > COVID's still here and is killing Blacks disproportionately

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Every thinking adult in America already knows about systemic racism throughout every aspect of this nation, which is why it should come as no surprise that, as disclosed by Voice of America News in June, this pandemic has exposed the countrys wide racial inequalities. This is based on data released by the CDC that estimates that Native Americans, Latinos and Blacks are two or three times more likely than whites to die of the disease after adjusting for population age differences. And while only 12% of whites under 65 years of age are dying of COVID-19, the rate is 30% for Blacks. It also should come as no surprise, as David A. Ash, a physician and director of the University of Pennsylvanias Center for Health Care Innovation, and Rachel M. Werner, a physician and executive director of the Leonard Davis Institute of Health Economics at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote in The Washington Post in June, If Black patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were cared for in the same hospitals where white patients went, their mortality rate would have been 10% lower. Wow! Shocking, but not surprising. That outrageous 10% disparity was based on data from 44,000 COVID-19 patients in nearly 1,200 hospitals in 41 states and D.C. from January through September 2020. The CDC on July 16 published numbers consistent with what Ash and Werner uncovered. For example, Blacks had rates of COVID-19 hospitalization 2.8 times higher than whites and COVID-19 death 2.0 times higher.

You might wonder, like I did, exactly why Blacks have a higher COVID-19 mortality rate. Is it because some hospitals maliciously plot to mistreat Black patients? The two scholarly physicians say not necessarily. Instead, as they thoughtfully wrote, Black patients have higher COVID-19 mortality because they go to different hospitals than white patients. Its not that some hospitals give worse care to Black patients compared with white patients; its that some hospitals have worse outcomes for both Black and white patients. And Black patients disproportionately go to the hospitals where the outcomes are worse for all. Many forces combine to create this situation, but the common thread is racism. Decades of racial residential segregation have concentrated Black people in some areas and white people in others. Redlining, which limited mortgages in Black neighborhoods during the last century, reinforced and worsened residential segregation.



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I bet its tied to some white people hating black people

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Not surprising. The narrative in media is going after the vocal anti-vax Trump supporters. If anyone actually looked at the data they'd see different story of which groups arent getting vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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ChopinList posted...

Not surprising. The narrative in media is going after the vocal anti-vax Trump supporters. If anyone actually looked at the data they'd see different story of which groups arent getting vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

Most of the data in the OP article are from before the vaccine.

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It's a virus. It literally cannot be racist, its not even Sapient.
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I'm sure there's lots of factors in play. People in lower income brackets tend to be poorer in health and lack access to good and affordable health care.

But Blacks and Hispanics also have the highest non vaccinated rates. Not sure if it's lack of access (covid vaccine is pretty accessible now) or more hesitancy.

https://tinyurl.com/5yj6an3s

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ChopinList posted...

Not surprising. The narrative in media is going after the vocal anti-vax Trump supporters. If anyone actually looked at the data they'd see different story of which groups arent getting vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

The CDC has admitted that getting the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. It merely reduces the severity of symptoms (or so they claim). The vaccinated are spreading the virus just as much as the unvaccinated. /facts.

Arcanine2009 posted...

Blacks and Hispanics have the highest non unvaccinated rates. Not sure if it's lack of access (its pretty accessible now) or more hesitancy.

https://tinyurl.com/5yj6an3s

I posted same link earlier. I dont know if it is hesitancy. Vaccine been out for over 8 months now.

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Duncanwii posted...

It's a virus. It literally cannot be racist, its not even Sapient.

The article could not have possibly spelled out any more clearly what they mean by 'racist outcomes'

Cut the bullshit

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ChopinList posted...

I posted same link earlier. I dont know if it is hesitancy. Vaccine been out for over 8 months now.

Why is it so hard for people to understand the skepticism behind taking a gene therapy injection that hasn't been FDA approved?

DDirtyDastard posted...

Why is it so hard for people to understand the skepticism behind taking a gene therapy injection that hasn't been FDA approved?

One way or another you're getting that shot. Just pray the government doesnt take the choice out of your hands.
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did they get vaccinated

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Why is it so hard for people to understand the skepticism behind taking a gene therapy injection that hasn't been FDA approved?

It takes maybe 5 minutes at most to find a credible source explaining why calling it "gene therapy" is incredibly misleading.

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ChopinList posted...

Not surprising. The narrative in media is going after the vocal anti-vax Trump supporters. If anyone actually looked at the data they'd see different story of which groups arent getting vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

while I have strongly urged my brothers and sisters to get vaxxed, there is a difference between distrusting a government that has an actual history of medical bias and outright assault against black bodies and thinking Bill Gates developed the vaccine using 5G cell towers to make you and your kids gay and steal your freedoms


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totalnerdken posted...

Non un vaccinated? So, vaccinated?

Fixed

3 of my friends refuse to get vaccinated. There reasoning is because it's not approved by the FDA/finish clinical trials, they won't get vaccinated. They have been more conservative politically recently. I can almost understand the hesitancy, but they only wear masks in places where its mandated, so...

I think years of education and class are big factors. Finished a 4 year or more, follows up on science are far more likely to be vaccinated.

You can say politics can have a play too, since far more Republicans are anti vax.

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BeantownHero posted...

while I have strongly urged my brothers and sisters to get vaxxed, there is a difference between distrusting a government that has an actual history of medical bias and outright assault against black bodies and thinking Bill Gates developed the vaccine using 5G cell towers to make you and your kids gay and steal your freedoms

at the end of though, still not getting the vaccine. And theyre getting hit the hardest


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DDirtyDastard posted...

Why is it so hard for people to understand the skepticism behind taking a gene therapy injection that hasn't been FDA approved?

Both Biden and Trump took it last year and nothing has happened to them so it seems safe imo.

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Somebody should go beat up that filthy racist covid

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DDirtyDastard posted...

The CDC has admitted that getting the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. It merely reduces the severity of symptoms (or so they claim). The vaccinated are spreading the virus just as much as the unvaccinated. /facts.

@DDirtyDastard
This is incorrect.

And misinformation.

You could go to the CDC website and find this out if you wanted to know what they really say. Moderna and Pfizer (mRNA based) are between 90-94% effective at preventing infection. No vaccine is 100%. They also reduce transmission.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness

Evidence demonstrates that the authorized COVID-19 vaccines are both efficacious and effective against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, including severe forms of the disease. In addition, a growing body of evidence suggests that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission.

Up to date as of July 27, 2021. and using all the most recent and available data.

The Delta variant is highly transmissible so breakthrough cases are happening and mask wearing has been re-proposed. To say that the "CDC" said the vaxx doesn't prevent infection or transmission is a lie.

Just admit you have no idea how vaccines work. But do not post misinformation.

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Honestly, the only way to fight back against this is to promote higher vaccination rates in minority groups. There's a lot of intrinsic distrust, although some of it isn't necessarily targeted at the right people, and there's plenty of ground that can be made by pointing that out and talking about it.

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People should get the vaccine

That doesnt excuse the fact of geographical and environmental racism which have existed before covid

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I know a few people who refuse to get vaccinated.

At least now they'll be relieved to know that if they get the virus, they can say its because of racism and Ill give them a salute and

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Its a shame that they dont have access to the same level of healthcare thats in other locations, but in America specifically theres no excuse to not get the vaccine.

AlphaCuck posted...

where is the "no sympathy" crowd

Right here. If they want to be idiots and not get the vaccine, let them be idiots.

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Most Black Republicans aren't getting the vaccine while the ones that vote Democrat often do.

Duncanwii posted...

It's a virus. It literally cannot be racist, its not even Sapient.

Thats what the virus wants you to think. The virus knows if its openly racist then it will bring down the hammer of the gamefaqs.gamespot mods.

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Why is anybody even entertaining this

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Duncanwii posted...

It's a virus. It literally cannot be racist, its not even Sapient.

Common sense doesnt matter in today's society

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

It takes maybe 5 minutes at most to find a credible source explaining why calling it "gene therapy" is incredibly misleading.

The mods should have removed all his posts in this thread. They have all been misleading and/or misinformation. I'm not sure why his most blatant post is still up.

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WickedDarkJugga posted...

Why is anybody even entertaining this

Because I was right. Some white people hate black people at some point and it ruined stuff

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Mr Hangman posted...

This article shoots itself in the foot by not even addressing the most obvious reason why mortality rates might be different: vaccination rates. Are black Americans more or less vaccinated than other groups? I don't know. But unless I know that their rates are the same or better, I'm skeptical toward other explanations.

Distrust in the public health / medical establishment.

The problem being that stuff like the Tuskegee Experiment were deplorable because they WITHHELD treatment.


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Mr Hangman posted...

This article shoots itself in the foot by not even addressing the most obvious reason why mortality rates might be different: vaccination rates.

Lebronwon posted...

If Black patients hospitalized with COVID-19 were cared for in the same hospitals where white patients went, their mortality rate would have been 10% lower. Wow! Shocking, but not surprising. That outrageous 10% disparity was based on data from 44,000 COVID-19 patients in nearly 1,200 hospitals in 41 states and D.C. from January through September 2020. The CDC on July 16 published numbers consistent with what Ash and Werner uncovered. For example, Blacks had rates of COVID-19 hospitalization 2.8 times higher than whites and COVID-19 death 2.0 times higher.

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I don't know any black people personally who will not get it. However I have seen people twitter and complaining about getting vaxxed and it is some old bullshit. People are like what about Tuskegee. Well white people are taking this too so that kind of clears that point off the table.

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cjsdowg posted...

I don't know any black people personally who will not get it. However I have seen people twitter and complaining about getting vaxxed and it is some old bullshit. People are like what about Tuskegee. Well white people are taking this too so that kind of clears that point off the table.

That's been my thing. White people are taking the vax too.

The gymnastics get incredible though "there's a protein in the vax that selectively targets melanin!"

Or

"I saw someone getting vaxxed and watched as the pharmacist drew sharps from one drawer for blacks and another drawer for whites".

I've actually heard this.

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cjsdowg posted...

I don't know any black people personally who will not get it. However I have seen people twitter and complaining about getting vaxxed and it is some old bullshit. People are like what about Tuskegee. Well white people are taking this too so that kind of clears that point off the table.

I've really tried to get my AA patients vaccinated, but I think a lot of this also comes from church and family members who put a lot of pressure on them to "not fall for it." It's frustrating - COVID19 has devastated the AA community socially, economically and even mortally. They deserve better.

I don't know what to do. I just want people to understand that this is real and we are all in it together.


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DarkRoast posted...

I've really tried to get my AA patients vaccinated, but I think a lot of this also comes from church and family members who put a lot of pressure on them to "not fall for it." It's frustrating - COVID19 has devastated the AA community socially, economically and even mortally. They deserve better.

I don't know what to do. I just want people to understand that this is real and we are all in it together.

I don't get it. I am like dude the people who agree with you the most are people who think Black Lives Don't matter. Look how you are siding with. It is like talking to a flat Earth person. When you ask them. What does the government have to gain from all this. They can't tell you.

And I like to add this in. If the government wanted to get something nasty in your body. They could do from the water supply,put it in food, do all type of stuff. The government doesn't need to to be willing to get some thing in is if they were so inclined. That did not help.

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Go get the vax. Its free and there are a billion clinics that give it out with no wait, even in the hoodiest of the hoods.

There is no excuse.

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cjsdowg posted...

I don't get it. I am like dude the people who agree with you the most are people who think Black Lives Don't matter. Look how you are siding with. It is like talking to a flat Earth person. When you ask them. What does the government have to gain from all this. They can't tell you.

And I like to add this in. If the government wanted to get something nasty in your body. They could do from the water supply,put it in food, do all type of stuff. The government doesn't need to to be willing to get some thing in is if they were so inclined. That did not help.

It's absolutely bizarre. Also, as a funny side note, I always tell people "there's already a GPS chip that the government can use to track you. It's in your hand (smartphone)."

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Flauros posted...

Go get the vax. Its free and there are a billion clinics that give it out with no wait, even in the hoodiest of the hoods.

There is no excuse.

White people were even going into black clinics to get it. People not getting vaxed make me so mad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid-vaccines-minorities.html

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Arcanine2009 posted...

I'm sure there's lots of factors in play. People in lower income brackets tend to be poorer in health and lack access to good and affordable health care.

But Blacks and Hispanics also have the highest non vaccinated rates. Not sure if it's lack of access (covid vaccine is pretty accessible now) or more hesitancy.

https://tinyurl.com/5yj6an3s

Not only accessible, but completely free. Literally pay nothing for the vaccine. Poor people, homeless people...etc...don't have to pay a thing to get it. So using poor class and low class as a reason makes no sense these days. Definitely gotta be hesitancy. And that's completely on them.

I need actual help for the depression I'm having right now over stuff like this. I feel so hopeless.

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DarkRoast posted...

I need actual help for the depression I'm having right now over stuff like this. I feel so hopeless.

Get your wife to help promote vaccination.

They may not listen to you, but if your wife promotes it; they might want to get vaccinated.

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But we can't bring them the vaccine because that would be liberal communist 1984 Nazi violations of my free dumb.

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Duncanwii posted...

It's a virus. It literally cannot be racist, its not even Sapient.

It's 2021. Everything can be racist. Everything.

https://theconversation.com/milk-a-symbol-of-neo-nazi-hate-83292

What a racist topic.

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I can't with this fucking clown world anymore. Jesus fucking christ.

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