Current Events > Biden sets goal of making half of all vehicles electric by 2030.

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I don't mind electric cars, but they need a lot of improvements for me to get one. Mostly being the mileage range and time it takes to charge. I do several road trips each year where I'm driving anywhere from 4-10 hours a day. Most electric cars now only have a range of 200-350~ miles and the range on my car with a full tank is around 500~. I don't want to have to stop and charge my car for 30 minutes or an hour (or more?? Isn't the charging time now several hours?) once or twice to get to my destination.

Do you think charging will be much quicker in 5 or 10 years? How quick? I can't imagine the inconvenience of having to wait around at a charging station for even 30 minutes when it takes me a few minutes to put gas in.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-set-target-50-evs-by-2030-industry-backs-goal-2021-08-05/

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I'm down for it, but they need to be affordable.

You could make a car that can literally erase pollution, I still can't get it if it costs more than I can afford.

Mileage would improve as manufacturers learn how to build better cars.

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Gee, thats great. Any plans on making wages livable by 2030? No? Any plans of making housing affordable by 2030? No? Oh, but we renamed a bunch of parks and tore down some statues. We gave money to the military that it doesnt need and we gave money to Israel so they can continue committing terrorist attacks on their neighbors. We basically elected Donald Trump again.

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RIP power grid

If I needed a car, I may look into a cheap Leaf, but I like my tC that's paid off

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Payzmaykr posted...

Gee, thats great. Any plans on making wages livable by 2030? No? Any plans of making housing affordable by 2030? No? Oh, but we renamed a bunch of parks and tore down some statues. We gave money to the military that it doesnt need and we gave money to Israel so they can continue committing terrorist attacks on their neighbors. We basically elected Donald Trump again.

Change is scary to americans

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Ehhh

Maybe if we can create electric vehicles that can go a comparatively insane amount of miles between top offs (1000+ miles), or create batteries that can go a normal (~300) amount of miles and be charged nearly as fast as filling your tank does (at least 10 minutes or faster), or install the infrastructure so charging stations are even half as common as gas stations then I'd be okay with swapping over full time.

Though I'll admit I pay absolutely no attention to cars in general.

In the mean time I'd be okay with having an EV as a secondary vehicle but I'd feel vulnerable and exposed in modern America with only an EV.

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lol 2030

we'll be well into the era of unholy fuckstorm climate chaos by 2030, let's revisit the subject of how inconvenient EVs are then. looking forward to it.

I will get one when there is 1000 miles between charges

If they can make the cars and additional batteries affordable then that's great. I don't really need 1000+ miles unless I'm doing a road trip or something.
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The first solar powered car is expected to be available this year. I'd be down for that.

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We were promised nuclear cars in the 50s. Where the hell are they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Questionmarktarius posted...

We were promised nuclear cars in the 50s. Where the hell are they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Replaced with the electric cars that were foretold by a guy in 1933 named William Branham.

Have fun with that rabbit hole. lmfao

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https://youtu.be/raaTXyXXsDM

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Biden won't even run this term past 2022.

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Lunar_Savage posted...

Replaced with the electric cars that were foretold by a guy in 1933 named William Branham.

Have fun with that rabbit hole. lmfao

Electric cars already existed in the 30s. Even earlier, I think.

I'd never get an electric car. This is the equivalent of the "would you give up real meat for lab grown meat" debate. Most people want real meat, and most people want a real car.

Isn't the US's current infrastructure already not being maintained for shit?

Apparebtly there are currently just shy of 30 thousand charging stations throughout the US. And almost 125 thousand gas stations...

So on top of actually maintaining current infrastructure (and playing catch up on that) they need at least 50 thousand or so more charging stations for this to really be achievable and not be an exceptional pain in the ass.... and then to maintain those as well.

Good luck with that.

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If Biden wants to make a meaningful statement, start with the presidential motorcade.

Jimmy Carter is the only one who's actually followed through on a green initiative, instead of just "calling for" some damn thing to happen long after he's left office.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Electric cars already existed in the 30s. Even earlier, I think.

I was having some fun because of the other predictions he wrapped up into the electric cars, because he mentioned the highways being properly equipped for them and the fact they would be self-driving...and the nuclear bombs that follow.

But in general, yes, you are correct! Earliest known is about 1890 with the crudest prototype dating back a little earlier than that I think. Truly interesting stuff when you go poking around.

Either way, as for the future, nukes or not, it's a weird world ahead. Let's hope the Earth doesn't bake us all to death first.

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MotherCocunuts posted...

I'd never get an electric car. This is the equivalent of the "would you give up real meat for lab grown meat" debate. Most people want real meat, and most people want a real car.

New User opinion

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They should transition to hybrids first if they wanna go that route. There are too many people that still rely on their 20+ year old cars because they can't do payments. Hell some people don't want to deal with it whether they can afford it or not.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Isn't the US's current infrastructure already not being maintained for shit?

Apparebtly there are currently just shy of 30 thousand charging stations throughout the US. And almost 125 thousand gas stations...

So on top of actually maintaining current infrastructure (and playing catch up on that) they need at least 50 thousand or so more charging stations for this to really be achievable and not be an exceptional pain in the ass.... and then to maintain those as well.

Good luck with that.

The Infrastructure bill they're trying to pass would oversee a lot of that. And I would wager the companies that own the gas stations are priming up to modify all their stations in the private sector to accommodate for the incoming tidal wave on the market.

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Charging is the main problem for me:

1. Do i need to struggle to find a charging station?
2. Do i need to wait hours in line if its full? (Idk how that even works today)
3. One i manage to find an open station, how long do I need to stick around before I can get going?

Secondary to that is, is it going to be money drain to maintain it or at the same level as a normak car?

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need better batteries before ill make the change - i actually care about the environment and peoples' livelihoods

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Njolk posted...

Change is scary to americans

Try harder

samurai bandit posted...

Charging is the main problem for me:
1. Do i need to struggle to find a charging station?
2. Do i need to wait hours in line if its full? (Idk how that even works today)
3. One i manage to find an open station, how long do I need to stick around before I can get going?

4. Do I need to download another goddamn app for another goddamn charger brand, or can I just stick a credit card in it - or perhaps even pay cash?

Lunar_Savage posted...

The Infrastructure bill they're trying to pass would oversee a lot of that. And I would wager the companies that own the gas stations are priming up to modify all their stations in the private sector to accommodate for the incoming tidal wave on the market.

As I understand it that bill has about a 1% chance to actually pass though, no?

Either way I feel like most gas stations aren't gonna spend the money to change until much later. Even if half of all new sales are electric the vast majority of cards on the road will remain gas powered for quite some time. Unless they're getting handouts I dont see gas stations in rural areas changing over / adding a lot of charging stations without there being significant financial incentive for them.

Like sure in big cities and on the coasts it'll likely happen... but for the most part I think much of America would be lacking charging stations pretty heavily.

Also I dont really know wtf I'm talking about so I could he wrong.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

As I understand it that bill has about a 1% chance to actually pass though, no?

Either way I feel like most gas stations aren't gonna spend the money to change until much later. Even if half of all new sales are electric the vast majority of cards on the road will remain gas powered for quite some time. Unless they're getting handouts I dont see gas stations in rural areas changing over / adding a lot of charging stations without there being significant financial incentive for them.

Like sure in big cities and on the coasts it'll likely happen... but for the most part I think much of America would be lacking charging stations pretty heavily.

Also I dont really know wtf I'm talking about so I could he wrong.

Funnily enough, I could totally see them building it for the cities and basically going "lulz, fuck the rural area, we'll get it...later?" Or it being forever relegated to construction companies that bleed the middle of the U.S. dry in road projects that last 2 decades or more.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

As I understand it that bill has about a 1% chance to actually pass though, no?

Either way I feel like most gas stations aren't gonna spend the money to change until much later. Even if half of all new sales are electric the vast majority of cards on the road will remain gas powered for quite some time. Unless they're getting handouts I dont see gas stations in rural areas changing over / adding a lot of charging stations without there being significant financial incentive for them.

Like sure in big cities and on the coasts it'll likely happen... but for the most part I think much of America would be lacking charging stations pretty heavily.

Also I dont really know wtf I'm talking about so I could he wrong.

I'm not sure how it would really work unless charging became so much quicker. Think about you're typical gas station off a highway. Some are larger than others, but many don't have the room to accommodate several dozens of parked cars because each car has to wait an hour plus to charge. If they can't speed up the charging, massive charging stations will have to be created. I dont really see that working out

Smaller gas stations wouldn't even have the space to just have a bunch of cars parked for hours on end. They need to figure out the charging issue before they start rolling this out.

Or, I guess with a lot of other things, people's freedoms will just be limited. Want to drive to the next state? Sorry, because of the environment, it's going to take you double the time.

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