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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:39:39 PM
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she's being convicted again, this time for murder since he died from complications.

I have no sympathy for her, obviously, but how is this legal? Shouldn't this be covered by Double Jeopardy?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-babysitter-murder-shaking-baby-37-years-later

Basically, she got a slap on the wrist before, and served her time. As I understand it, since she's getting charged for her actions rather than their results, she cannot be charged again, even if the status changes. And frankly, after so long they should have to definitively prove a link to put this through.

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TheRadiant
07/27/21 7:40:38 PM
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No it'd different charges

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LordFarquad1312
07/27/21 7:41:15 PM
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Yeah that's fucked. Should be outside the statute of limitations.

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Ryuko_Chan
07/27/21 7:41:30 PM
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new user that has been banned multiple times making a troll topic about a baby getting murdered.

yep, just another day on CE

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:41:31 PM
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She's not being charged for the same crime twice though.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:41:36 PM
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TheRadiant posted...
No it'd different charges
But it's for the same criminal event, which violates double jeopardy.

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skermac
07/27/21 7:41:53 PM
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it not double jeopardy because she isnt charged with the same crime.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:42:01 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
new user that has been banned multiple times making a troll topic about a baby getting murdered.

yep, just another day on CE
How are you possibly reading this as a troll topic?

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IShall_Run_Amok
07/27/21 7:42:17 PM
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I'm fine with it.

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:42:19 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Yeah that's fucked. Should be outside the statute of limitations.
Oh so she should get away with killing a baby? Cool, good to know how you feel about the life of a baby.

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gatorsPENSbucs
07/27/21 7:42:28 PM
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Dang. I used to work with someone that had the same thing happen to him, think he spent a year maybe in jail.

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skermac
07/27/21 7:42:37 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Yeah that's fucked. Should be outside the statute of limitations.

murder has no statute of limitations

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:42:48 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
But it's for the same criminal event, which violates double jeopardy.
No, it's not and no it doesn't.

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LordFarquad1312
07/27/21 7:43:39 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Oh so she should get away with killing a baby? Cool, good to know how you feel about the life of a baby.
37-years-later
skermac posted...
murder has no statute of limitations
I see.

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monkmith
07/27/21 7:43:58 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
But it's for the same criminal event, which violates double jeopardy.
its not the act that matters, its the legal offense. assault and murder are two different offenses.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:44:01 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Oh so she should get away with killing a baby? Cool, good to know how you feel about the life of a baby.
Nah. If she got arrested and got life in prison back then I would've considered this justified. Hell, morally I still feel it's justified, I'm more concerned about the potential legal violations, and more as a curiousity than moral outrage. Regardless what happens, I think we can all agree "fuck her".

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:46:29 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
37-years-later

I didnt read the article at first since its Faux news. Anyway, she should be charged wth murder.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:46:34 PM
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cuh posted...
This whole story is sad all around

I personally dont think she should be convicted for the death that happened 35 years later. But I feel so awful for everyone involved
I don't feel awful for her. I don't agree with the charges, but she should've been charged severely back then.

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Middle hope
07/27/21 7:47:02 PM
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Simple. Put her head in a paint shaker for 6 weeks and call it even.

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:48:10 PM
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cuh posted...
This whole story is sad all around

I personally dont think she should be convicted for the death that happened 37 years later. But I feel so awful for everyone involved
You feel awful for her? Seriously?

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:48:20 PM
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Also, how did she get such a light sentence? My understanding of legal issues is something like this that causes major brain damage has specific laws for it, though that might not have been the case back then.

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Mr_Karate_II
07/27/21 7:49:24 PM
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Anyway, the charges fit what she did. She knowingly caused harm to the baby back then, she should have gotten charged with attempted murder back then but apparently laws were different back then.


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Graycap
07/27/21 7:49:44 PM
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He never recovered and arguably died earlier than he otherwise would've because of the crime.
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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 7:52:16 PM
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cuh posted...
It seems it was because she was 6 months pregnant at the time. I can certainly imagine that affecting the judgement. Apparently she had to report to jail just on weekends
I can see this excusing it in some cases, not in this one. It's not like they're going to let her keep her kids after this.....right?

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Ryuko_Chan
07/27/21 7:53:33 PM
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cuh posted...
This whole story is sad all around

I personally dont think she should be convicted for the death that happened 37 years later. But I feel so awful for everyone involved
????????????????? what

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The-Apostle
07/27/21 7:55:23 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
But it's for the same criminal event, which violates double jeopardy.
Same criminal event, different crime. The first one was attempted murder. This one is murder. So it's not double jeopardy.

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LordFarquad1312
07/27/21 8:05:38 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Anyway, the charges fit what she did. She knowingly caused harm to the baby back then, she should have gotten charged with attempted murder back then but apparently laws were different back then.
Pretty sure they can't use new laws in a case that happened before they existed, but I am no law expert.

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Chicken
07/27/21 8:08:58 PM
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Dont shake babies

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thronedfire2
07/27/21 8:10:19 PM
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So does this happen with all attempted murders if the person ends up dying because of it later?

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monkmith
07/27/21 8:13:12 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
So does this happen with all attempted murders if the person ends up dying because of it later?
depends mostly on if you can prove their death was caused by the original attempt. article suggests that the victim died because of injuries or conditions directly caused by the attempt.

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StopSteel16
07/27/21 8:14:11 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
new user that has been banned multiple times making a troll topic about a baby getting murdered.

yep, just another day on CE

What's trolling about this? It's sharing news and sharing an opinion.
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Machete
07/27/21 8:18:00 PM
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Considering the 35 year gap, I really don't know what to think about this and I have no idea what sort of precedents have been set that are relevant here. I've never heard of anything like this.
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ColdRainAndSnow
07/27/21 8:18:06 PM
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Knock it off Ryuko

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Darmik
07/27/21 8:19:12 PM
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cuh posted...
This whole story is sad all around

I personally dont think she should be convicted for the death that happened 37 years later. But I feel so awful for everyone involved

Don't forget
His parents said their son never mentally progressed past 5 and a half months old.

She did murder him. It just took 35 years for him to stop breathing.

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Ryuko_Chan
07/27/21 8:19:49 PM
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StopSteel16 posted...
What's trolling about this? It's sharing news and sharing an opinion.

ColdRainAndSnow posted...
Knock it off Ryuko
nice alts TC

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Machete
07/27/21 8:21:31 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

nice alts TC


The first one is sirmixalot for fuck's sake -_-
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ColdRainAndSnow
07/27/21 8:23:07 PM
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Ryuko seriously knock it off, no one here is trolling except you. No one likes you right now

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 8:24:56 PM
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ColdRainAndSnow posted...
Ryuko seriously knock it off, no one here is trolling except you. No one likes you right now
When people are defending me over you when you accuse someone of trolling, you know you fucked up lol

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monkmith
07/27/21 8:25:03 PM
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ColdRainAndSnow posted...
Ryuko seriously knock it off, no one here is trolling except you. No one likes you right now
hey now, dont hate on ryuko, you'd be annoying too if you had to hunt down your fathers murderer in a stripper outfit.

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Trumble
07/27/21 8:25:33 PM
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TheRadiant posted...
No it'd different charges
Specifically, more serious charges. Double jeopardy only covers equal or lesser charges, as far as I'm aware.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 8:25:50 PM
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monkmith posted...
hey now, dont hate on ryuko, you'd be annoying too if you had to hunt down your fathers murderer in a stripper outfit.
I need to at least give this a shot

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Ryuko_Chan
07/27/21 8:28:02 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
When people are defending me over you when you accuse someone of trolling, you know you fucked up lol
"people"

its random alts. one with 4 karma. one thats 9 years old with only 500.

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 8:29:17 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
"people"

its random alts. one with 4 karma. one thats 9 years old with only 500.
I dont have any active alts, and both of those people are, apparently, known to other users, as am I. I still don't understand how you think in trolling, lol

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ColdRainAndSnow
07/27/21 8:30:39 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
I dont have any active alts, and both of those people are, apparently, known to other users, as am I. I still don't understand how you think in trolling, lol

Now hes desperately deflecting. No he cant answer your question because his intent is to troll all of us.

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ColdRainAndSnow
07/27/21 8:31:42 PM
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People used to think I was gunplas alt now they think Im newhorrors alt? Lmao

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newhorrorguy
07/27/21 8:32:51 PM
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ColdRainAndSnow posted...
Now hes desperately deflecting. No he cant answer your question because his intent is to troll all of us.
I dont even know who he is

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StopSteel16
07/27/21 8:36:06 PM
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ColdRainAndSnow posted...
newhorrorguy posted...
I dont have any active alts, and both of those people are, apparently, known to other users, as am I. I still don't understand how you think in trolling, lol

Now hes desperately deflecting. No he cant answer your question because his intent is to troll all of us.

Yeah. These allegations came from nowhere. Some people can't handle the fact that others disagree with them.
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