Current Events > Avatar:TLA is so good and a part of me wants to watch Korra

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But I'm admittedly a soft-heart and will feel so sad seeing all of Team Avatar so old or dead. The ending was so sweet that I don't want tragedy to sour it.

Also, I don't like when mystical origins gets explained thoroughly as I've always been a less is more on that front. I hear LOK kinda adds a lot of explanation to the Avatar origins which I don't know if I'd like.

I also hear season 2 sucks which is unfortunate.

Do you all feel Korra is a great addition or something that creates a mess out of the world of Avatar?

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I still need to watch Korra

But AtlA was amazing
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Korra was better then the original tbh and I'll believe that until I die.

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I quite liked Korra. It's not as good as TLA, so of course that means the internet declares it the worst thing since the origin of sin.

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korra is wishy washy liberal garbage carried by really well written characters


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Seasons 1 and 3 are worth it.
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TLoK is as the ST was to Star Wars

teep_ posted...

I still need to watch Korra

But AtlA was amazing

I'd honestly put it up there for not just best cartoon, but tv series.

It's more than nostalgia imo.

Makeveli_lives posted...

Korra was better then the original tbh and I'll believe that until I die.

I mean, I know it has a pretty sizable fanbase. It's tough to imagine it being better since tla was so good, but I'm open to the possibility perhaps.

I'm really interested in the air nomad side of things most of all from what I've heard of Korra.

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pegusus123456 posted...

I quite liked Korra. It's not as good as TLA, so of course that means the internet declares it the worst thing since the origin of sin.

That's the tough thing about being a sequel. You really have to crush your predecessor or it will be hard to shine.

Phantom_Nook posted...

Seasons 1 and 3 are worth it.

I've heard 3 getting so much praise. Many even call it better than the original series.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

TLoK is as the ST was to Star Wars

Tbh I wasn't big on the ST so that is a fear of mine. I don't hate those movies, but they still felt like meh follow-ups. I don't want LOK to feel the same.

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Legend of Korra had high expectations to live up to, so of course die hard fans hated it. I thought it was good though. Not better than TLA, but still good in it's own right. Of course, new Avatar means Aang died, but that doesn't mean it ruins the ending of TLA. It ties things up rather well.

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Korra is fine. Not as good as ATLA, but you should probably watch it, if only for Season 3.

Season 1 - Fine, not as good as any of ATLA, but its fine.
Season 2 - Terrible except for the parts about Wan (dumb as his name is).
Season 3 - Best season in the franchise.
Season 4 - Kinda bad.

totalnerdken posted...

Korra is amazing but it suffers from producers fucking around with the writers. They promised only 1 season. So the writers wrote season 1 to be a complete story.

Then when it did better than the producers expected, they promised only 1 more season. So they again, wrote a complete story, pretty unconnected from the 1st season.

Then the producers said, ok, have 2 more seasons. That's why 3 and 4, while having their own individual villains, have consequences from season 3 that go into season 4.

I also heard 4 got hammered with budget cuts sadly. :/

I forgot to mention that was probably my favorite part about Avatar. I loved that there was one endgame the entire series. No matter what side-adventures were happening, it was all building up to the Avatar vs the Firelord. It made it feel more focused and like it had a real final boss.

Now, most shows don't get to know how long they'll be living so I won't blame Korra for taking things one season at a time, but I find power-creep and lackluster final villains to be the result when you can't put your desired final antagonist at the end.

I loved Teen Titans, but man, I thought the season 5 villain was a joke compared to Trigon. I always felt season 4 was a better finale.

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<3 Korra

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PiOverlord posted...

Now, most shows don't get to know how long they'll be living so I won't blame Korra for taking things one season at a time, but I find power-creep and lackluster final villains to be the result when you can't put your desired final antagonist at the end.

There's actually not really any power creep in Korra. S4 is arguably the weakest villain.

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QueenCarly posted...

korra is wishy washy liberal garbage carried by really well written characters

worth noting that the wishy washy liberal garbage stuff actively detracts from what could have been some of the best-written characters.

almost paradoxically, it's also much more black-and-white than TLA with regards to its moral/ethical stances, and in that sense it really detracts from the universe.

there are good things about it. I think the passage of time between shows was portrayed well. for the most part.

while it's not nearly as good as TLA, I think it has higher highs

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NoxObscuras posted...

Legend of Korra had high expectations to live up to, so of course die hard fans hated it. I thought it was good though. Not better than TLA, but still good in it's own right. Of course, new Avatar means Aang died, but that doesn't mean it ruins the ending of TLA. It ties things up rather well.

I don't mind that Aang has to die. I always liked the idea of the Avatar cycle, and it's a fun show to think about what the next Avatars can be. It is a little sad to think about since Aang was such a nice kid in the original series, but he can't live forever. It was actually better for the long-term future of the Avatar series imo to make the sequel series about the next Avatar rather than about Aang's future adventures trying to bring the world together after the war because the longer you keep Aang as the face of Avatar, the harder people will reject any sort of series that doesn't involve him. It's the problem many comic book series probably have tbh.

I do know about the huge thing that happens in I believe 2 that everyone seemed to hate, and honestly, I'd probably hate it too. It was something I loved about the Avatar State, and to hear it being gone permanently is a huge damper on what the Avatar is honestly.

That makes me a little sad about the original Team Avatar because then once they all die, they really are gone at that point as before that, Aang could have served as the representation of them all.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Korra is fine. Not as good as ATLA, but you should probably watch it, if only for Season 3.

Season 1 - Fine, not as good as any of ATLA, but its fine.
Season 2 - Terrible except for the parts about Wan (dumb as his name is).
Season 3 - Best season in the franchise.
Season 4 - Kinda bad.

Yeah, I think that's about how I usually hear people talk about the show. Only difference is there's still many that say 4 is decent, but it's back and forth.

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pegusus123456 posted...

There's actually not really any power creep in Korra. S4 is arguably the weakest villain.

Hmm, interesting. It'll be cool to see what makes them a threat then. I mean, I suppose some would argue, in the og series, while Ozai definitely was the biggest threat, the battle wasn't Aang vs Ozai but more like Aang's duties as the Avatar vs his core of being an Air Nomad. I actually respected the end of it, even if some say it was a deus ex machina, which is kinda was, but it didn't bother me. I liked that Aang chose to not give up his values even when all the other Avatars he talked to told him it was basically the only way. If Korra can invoke a similar feeling of that sort of ending beyond being a generic good vs evil (not that I hate those, just thought Avatar was nice for going beyond that), that'd be nice. Now, obviously, the ending was a pretty big deal back then, so I know what happens at the very, very end, but the journey to that specific point is still worth watching I hope.

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Kami_no_Kami posted...

Season 3 - Best season in the franchise.

This is true and Korra is worth watching just for season 3.
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PiOverlord posted...

I don't mind that Aang has to die. I always liked the idea of the Avatar cycle, and it's a fun show to think about what the next Avatars can be. It is a little sad to think about since Aang was such a nice kid in the original series, but he can't live forever. It was actually better for the long-term future of the Avatar series imo to make the sequel series about the next Avatar rather than about Aang's future adventures trying to bring the world together after the war because the longer you keep Aang as the face of Avatar, the harder people will reject any sort of series that doesn't involve him. It's the problem many comic book series probably have tbh.

I do know about the huge thing that happens in I believe 2 that everyone seemed to hate, and honestly, I'd probably hate it too. It was something I loved about the Avatar State, and to hear it being gone permanently is a huge damper on what the Avatar is honestly.

That makes me a little sad about the original Team Avatar because then once they all die, they really are gone at that point as before that, Aang could have served as the representation of them all.

Yeah, I think that's about how I usually hear people talk about the show. Only difference is there's still many that say 4 is decent, but it's back and forth.

4 is perfectly solid. And frankly I also liked the second season a bunch too, it was fun watching her compete against abnormal villains.

And I really disliked how the original didn't really focus on anyone outside of team avatar in my mind. Zukos sister and uncle are the only ones I think got legit consistent development off the top of my head without looking it up but Korra had a bunch of side characters that could've been written off as jokes from their intro have a mini arc or whatever later on turning them into a more prominent character and I loved that about Korra, you had a cast outside of team avatar (which I consider to be Bolin, Mako and Asumi) and they were all had goals outside of "let's help the avatar save the world from a dictator".


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It is worth a watch. It is not nearly as coherent and well told as Airbender, but it has flashes of pure brilliance that more than make up for the lacking it has in coherence.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

4 is perfectly solid. And frankly I also liked the second season a bunch too, it was fun watching her compete against abnormal villains.

And I really disliked how the original didn't really focus on anyone outside of team avatar in my mind. Zukos sister and uncle are the only ones I think got legit consistent development off the top of my head without looking it up but Korra had a bunch of side characters that could've been written off as jokes from their intro have a mini arc or whatever later on turning them into a more prominent character and I loved that about Korra, you had a cast outside of team avatar (which I consider to be Bolin, Mako and Asumi) and they were all had goals outside of "let's help the avatar save the world from a dictator".

Ah, that's interesting. One of the more common complaints I hear about Korra is that it has too many side characters which leads to a lack of development for some characters that could have used it more supposedly.

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PiOverlord posted...

Ah, that's interesting. One of the more common complaints I hear about Korra is that it has too many side characters which leads to a lack of development for some characters that could have used it more supposedly.

This is the truth. To add in some odd tension at times characters go through an uncharacteristic change in what they want with little reason or purpose beyond drama.

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i feel like book 4 of korra is kinda underrated. it's mostly solid, until the last few episodes. i think it's way better than the first 2 seasons which i don't care for at all

PiOverlord posted...

Ah, that's interesting. One of the more common complaints I hear about Korra is that it has too many side characters which leads to a lack of development for some characters that could have used it more supposedly.

maybe, but i'd argue the side characters are the best ones in the show alongside the villains. the main cast just doesn't even come remotely close to the gang in TLA.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i feel like book 4 of korra is kinda underrated. it's mostly solid, until the last few episodes. i think it's way better than the first 2 seasons which i don't care for at all

maybe, but i'd argue the side characters are the best ones in the show alongside the villains. the main cast just doesn't even come remotely close to the gang in TLA.

Well, good side characters can always make an episode memorable.

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Alright, I'm leaning towards watching it.

I still probably won't like the demystification of the Avatar, but I'll live.

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I didnt like Korra at all. But I think you should watch it and decide for yourself how you feel about it
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3 > 1 > 4 >2

It's a good show. It's not as good a TLA but it has great moments. Give it a watch -- plenty of callbacks to the OG stuff but also decent enough legs to stand on its own without using the old cast as a crutch.

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Korra is f'n awesome as well. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise

TLA is my favorite show of all time

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Korra is not as good but I still love it.

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Korra is nowhere near on the level of TLA.

I find the problems are the lack of joining and foreshadowing between seasons the first had (this is due to the executives not giving a coherent plan and cutting budgets frequently).

Second problem is lack of world building. So much of the story is focused on one specific area rather than the world like the first did.

Third problem and this is the biggest but it really tries to distance itself from focusing on the TLA to let the current cast shine. While this works in theory, the problem is TLA had the previous generations being a big part of everything especially the Avatar and having them not included feels wrong.

As for the origins of the Avatar, I find those specific episodes to be on par with TLA

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i stopped watching korra when i realized they were gonna start off with the teen love triangle bullshit, i understand it got better but it just killed my interest.

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Xerun posted...

Second problem is lack of world building. So much of the story is focused on one specific area rather than the world like the first did.

They did the world building in the original, no need to do it twice when it's already established.

Xerun posted...

Third problem and this is the biggest but it really tries to distance itself from focusing on the TLA to let the current cast shine. While this works in theory, the problem is TLA had the previous generations being a big part of everything especially the Avatar and having them not included feels wrong.

I'm not watching a new show to hear about the old cast. Having them show up is great fun but it ain't about them now. That's like complaining about wanting more Joel in a game/expansion about Ellie in the last of us. By all means have them show up sure, but if it ain't about them then it ain't about them

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monkmith posted...

i stopped watching korra when i realized they were gonna start off with the teen love triangle bullshit, i understand it got better but it just killed my interest.

It was well done. Especially for a kids show. They handled it with way more maturity then one would expect from a cartoon from nickelodeon

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PiOverlord posted...

Alright, I'm leaning towards watching it.

I still probably won't like the demystification of the Avatar, but I'll live.

Oh rest assured the avatar cycle is still very mystical.

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I'll never get over all of the side characters in the group being absolutely pointless in Korra.

But season 3 is the best and beats the original

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Season 3 was definitely great. Best antagonist in the franchise by far (hesitate to go so far as to calling them a villain tho)

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LoK is okay. Aside from animation, it seemed like a clear downgrade from TLA overall. The characters aren't as interesting and it kinda shits on the lore from the first season.

Its worth a watch, sure, but you aren't really missing much by skipping it.

QueenCarly posted...

Season 3 was definitely great. Best antagonist in the franchise by far (hesitate to go so far as to calling them a villain tho)

lol he's 100% a villain

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best part of season 2 is the episode that shows the origin of bending. The 1st avatar is pretty damn cool

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there were some really solid action scenes and korra was a decent character. not quite to the level of aang but she worked through some seriously dire circumstances.

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Korra has higher highs, but lower lows. Even then I think overall it just pips TLA, the highs are just that much higher and the improvements to the character design and animation make it stunning to watch.

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I finished season 1. My little sister is really into it, so that's nice. Admittedly, seeing all of this technology is a little weird, but I guess they wanted to show this show truly is more than Avatar with new faces planted on the cover.

I like all the characters so far, although does Mako feel like he'd be the main character of some 60's-80's show in terms of design and character to anyone else, lol. He feels like he'd be in one of those seemingly American cartoons that actually was made by Japanese studios back then.

The original Avatar's season 1 was fun, but I definitely feel season 2 and 3 is where the show shines to me personally. It was important for setting up Zuko as I think we all rooted for his redemption because of season 1, but I only say that to say that I'm reserving judgement for the entirety of Korra until then.

Personally, I'm a little torn about how I feel about Amon as a villain, specifically blood bending. This is what I meant by power creep because I actually liked the idea of blood bending, but only during the full moon. It gave a sense of how water benders powers increase and such. I mean, it was only natural, it's hard to find a water bender being able to take out the Avatar without some sort of increased power. I mean, shoot, even Ozai with Sozen's Comet was no match for an Avatar, so there has to be some stakes of course. Amon's powers just sorta devalued Katara's accomplishments to me, along with Energy Bending as a whole if something like blood bending could just do the same as it. It just, as I said, feels like power creep, they have to find a way to bump up water benders so one could be a threat to the Avatar outside of the full moon.

My last complaint about him is that the original series (along with this one) established non-benders having kids doesn't mean non-benders or vice versa for benders. The original even makes a point that bending is not a genetic gift but rather a spiritual gift. There was an episode with identical twins, I believe the fortune-teller episode, and one could earth bend while the other could not. It was the creators way of showing that even people with 100% of the same DNA may not share the gift of bending. I only bring this up because, let's say he takes away everyone's ability to bend. All it takes is one generation and there might be a whole new generation of benders. It feels like, the idea of making benders no more is futile from the start.

That was a little bit of a rant for something relatively minor, and the criticism isn't nearly as large as that might make it look from me. I think Korra is a loveable dork so far. Oh yeah, also, the animation so far is really nice-looking. It also makes me happy to see Aang was able to continue his legacy, and the air nomads are once again a growing community.

With all this said, it's time... for season 2. I'm typically not as hard on stuff as some people are about things, so I'm hoping the same rings true for this. I hear love triangle stuff is part of the cause, but as someone who loves love drama, it might not be a big deal for me. I'll watch a show just for the drama it has with romantic tension honestly, lol.

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PiOverlord posted...

It feels like, the idea of making benders no more is futile from the start.

It probably is. The accepted explanation for what Amon was doing is that he's using bloodbending to permanently chi block someone.

Btw, did you get the implication with Korra in the last episode?

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pegusus123456 posted...

It probably is. The accepted explanation for what Amon was doing is that he's using bloodbending to permanently chi block someone.

Btw, did you get the implication with Korra in the last episode?

Wait, at what part? The fact that he tried blocking her chi but she was still able to air-bend because she unlocked the chi related to that after he took away her other bending? At least, that was my takeaway, or something close to that.

Or are you talking about another part?

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The very last part of the episode when she goes to the cliff. She was going to kill herself.

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pegusus123456 posted...

The very last part of the episode when she goes to the cliff. She was going to kill herself.

Oh, that! I did actually, it was definitely pretty dark.

That was actually something I forgot to mention, but it's kinda cool to see the contrast between her and Aang. An Avatar without the ability to bend all the elements in her eyes is worthless. From a very young age, she always had a sense of importance because she was the Avatar, so when Amon took away one of the key characteristics of the Avatar, it plummeted her self-esteem.

It was a sense of feeling like she was worthless, and I wonder if a part of it is the idea that she thought she should do it so then another Avatar could be born that would be able to bend all four elements again. Don't know if the latter was a part of her thought process, but I could see it maybe.

Of course, she kept saying she was no longer the Avatar because she lost that, but I think the spiritual element is what makes you an Avatar more than the bending. Aang was the Avatar even when all he knew was air, and I'd like to think even if she only knew air, she's still the Avatar too.

I mean, this is the same episode that had a murder-suicide in it, so it definitely wasn't pulling any punches!

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Yeah, I don't think it's ever made super clear, but I definitely got the impression that Korra would absolutely murder a dude.

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PiOverlord posted...

I mean, this is the same episode that had a murder-suicide in it

Just remember that shit aired on daytime Nickelodeon.

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