Current Events > Tesla on Autopilot hits a truck that merged into its lane.

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source to this video?

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Reverend_Wilson posted...

source to this video?

I got it from an NY Types link, but since that's paywalled, i put a second one below it
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-lawsuits-safety.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9758873/Family-boy-15-killed-Tesla-autopilot-crash-sues-electric-car-giant.html

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Tesla should absolutely not be advertising their cars as self driving yet. I think they released it prematurely with the knowledge that several of the unfortunate guinea pigs could send info at a faster rate and in riskier situations than Tesla was willing to take the extra time to do.

I still like Tesla cars and I think a fully perfected self driving society would be way better than now, but the tech is not there yet.

Plus the acceleration and handling on Teslas are pretty good from what I hear so I'd rather just drive it

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I can't believe people are comfortable enough to drive these things in moderate or heavy traffic. I don't care if you believe their tech is sufficient enough now.

I'd personally only use it for long distance drives across the Midwest.

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Dude wasn't even wearing his seatbelts and this could have happened without a autopilot. Also the person behind the wheel can stop the car at anytime. Also this is kind of silly that the Tesla auto-pilot couldn't stop and my cruise control in my honda will stop if someone comes into my lane and slows down to their speed like 3 car lanes before I even get close to the vehicle.

Even though these Tesla's have flaws, they are still safer then real driver much less drivers who are DUI.

I do feel for the family and I get they want to sue Tesla since tesla does have a bunch of money and they could pay for the grievance. I jsut don't think Tesla's are less safe then actual vehicles.

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There were people convinced that fully self driving cars would take over by now. Tesla over promised and got everyone hyped up about something they didnt understand.

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bring up my post

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How many times does this happen in a typical day with normal cars?

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Damn that Tesla didn't even attempt to stop
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Master Kazuya posted...

Tesla should absolutely not be advertising their cars as self driving yet. I think they released it prematurely with the knowledge that several of the unfortunate guinea pigs could send info at a faster rate and in riskier situations than Tesla was willing to take the extra time to do.

I still like Tesla cars and I think a fully perfected self driving society would be way better than now, but the tech is not there yet.

Plus the acceleration and handling on Teslas are pretty good from what I hear so I'd rather just drive it

i brought this up the last time this happened and got chewed out by a dozen posters here about "personal responsibility" and clear warning labels saying not to use it as an auto-pilot, even though you've got the face of the company touting it as hands free auto-pilot...

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Elon's "autonomous car on every street corner" plan revised

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fucking wear your seatbelt, that's what killed your son, not the tesla.

also, your shitty driving contributed to it.

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krazychao5 posted...

fucking wear your seatbelt, that's what killed your son, not the tesla.

also, your shitty driving contributed to it.

This.

If everyone had a self-driving car I'm sure this could have been avoided

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The car should have been able to avoid that. I'm wondering if the driver had his or her foot on the accelerator slightly. Cruise control won't brake if that's the case.

Hopefully they'll release the logs from the car.

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Elon should be tried for murder

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The driver should have stopped and override the vehicle's innate instruction.

Prismsblade posted...

I can't believe people are comfortable enough to drive these things in moderate or heavy traffic. I don't care if you believe their tech is sufficient enough now.

I'd personally only use it for long distance drives across the Midwest.

This is how i feel. A quiet drive to a city sure but I'm not letting it go during rush hour traffic just yet.

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Extreme_light posted...

This is how i feel. A quiet drive to a city sure but I'm not letting it go during rush hour traffic just yet.

I've used mine in light and heavy traffic countless times since I got it and it hasn't been a problem. The only time I absolutely won't use autopilot is when there are construction cones in the road. I was definitely uneasy at first because I didn't know how the car would perform, but now I don't even worry about it. I still pay attention at all times, though. Crazy stuff still happens on the road.

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CableZL posted...

Hopefully they'll release the logs from the car.

>Autopilot disengaged 0.1524m from accident point
>Cause of accident "Human error"

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Master Kazuya posted...

Tesla should absolutely not be advertising their cars as self driving yet. I think they released it prematurely with the knowledge that several of the unfortunate guinea pigs could send info at a faster rate and in riskier situations than Tesla was willing to take the extra time to do.

I still like Tesla cars and I think a fully perfected self driving society would be way better than now, but the tech is not there yet.

Plus the acceleration and handling on Teslas are pretty good from what I hear so I'd rather just drive it

Once fully self driving cars are relaized by actual car companies Tesla will be out of the car business.

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Were_Wyrm posted...

>Autopilot disengaged 0.1524m from accident point
>Cause of accident "Human error"

I'm guessing the root cause is most likely that the driver had his or her foot on the accelerator while using autopilot and wasn't paying attention. In that scenario, the car won't brake.

But again, I'd like to see the logs from the car either way.

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Fony posted...

Once fully self driving cars are relaized by actual car companies Tesla will be out of the car business.

I doubt it. There isn't really a reason this would put Tesla out of business unless Tesla just can't keep up with the competition. As it stands today, Teslas are the best EVs overall.

I'm looking forwarding to seeing what Lucid does with theirs. They would be the closest IMO, but they still don't have the charging infrastructure yet.

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krazychao5 posted...

fucking wear your seatbelt, that's what killed your son, not the tesla.

also, your shitty driving contributed to it.

The tesla was doing the shitty driving tho.

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The fact Tesla can still claim they have "full self driving" and "autopilot" is absurd. It's dangerous as fuck and completely false advertising.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The tesla was doing the s***ty driving tho.

That really hasn't been confirmed yet. It's possible that autopilot was on, but it's also possible that the driver had a foot on the accelerator, which would cause the car to not brake. It's also possible that autopilot wasn't turned on at all.

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This is why I'm not gonna be relaxed in a self-driving car. Computing mistakes can happen and stuff like this can be prevented if the human inside is paying attention.

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metallica846 posted...

Yeahhhhh but shouldnt such a high tech vehicle save you from yourself? What if someone is driving and starts having a seizure or heart attack?

In some cases yes, but there are some things where the car isn't allowed to ignore your input. If you have your foot on the accelerator, the car isn't legally allowed to ignore that. It's the same for any cruise control system.

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pogo_rabid posted...

The tesla was doing the shitty driving tho.

The Tesla was traveling in its lane, and the truck cut over in front of them at a much lower speed. The Tesla probably could have stopped in time, but it would have been a hard stop. If I'd been that driver and successfully avoided the collision I would have been leaning on my horn at the truck.

Regardless, the only reason anyone died was because they weren't wearing a seat belt. On the fucking interstate.

TheOtherMike posted...

The Tesla was traveling in its lane, and the truck cut over in front of them at a much lower speed. The Tesla probably could have stopped in time, but it would have been a hard stop. If I'd been that driver and successfully avoided the collision I would have been leaning on my horn at the truck.

lmao there was a shitload of time and space bro

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There have also been a number of incidents where the driver claims autopilot was on, but it actually wasn't.

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TheOtherMike posted...

The Tesla was traveling in its lane, and the truck cut over in front of them at a much lower speed. The Tesla probably could have stopped in time, but it would have been a hard stop. If I'd been that driver and successfully avoided the collision I would have been leaning on my horn at the truck.

Regardless, the only reason anyone died was because they weren't wearing a seat belt. On the fucking interstate.

The tesla was also flying at a much higher rate of speed vs the traffic that was around it.

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metallica846 posted...

Just sounds like something that should be addressed. I love Teslas, but they should definitely be able to detect a collision like this and slow the car down. I guess I can see the downside to that now though.

If you were in some kind of danger be needed to ram your way out, it would suck if the car was like nahhh bro Im keeping you safe.

It's not a Tesla issue. Any car with cruise control isn't legally allowed to ignore your foot being on the accelerator. Congress would have to change laws in order for that to be a thing. Also, I don't think I would want the car to be able to ignore manual input. Autopilot works great, but it's not a perfect system and won't ever be.

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The family of a 15-year-old boy who was killed in a 2019 crash involving a Tesla Model 3 on Autopilot has sued the electric car giant.

This isn't even news, it happened two years ago. The only reason it's a story now is that the family is now suing Tesla.

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And really, the only known situation in which any car with cruise control would drive itself into another vehicle is if it's just stopped in the middle of the road on the highway. Cruise control systems don't brake on their own unless they detect the car/truck/object in front of it go from moving to a stop. If the object is just stationary in the road, there is a high chance that the car will just keep moving forward at its set speed.

In a situation like this, autopilot or any cruise control system would have had plenty of detected movement and know to slow down. This is what's making me think either:

• Autopilot wasn't actually on
• If it was on, the driver had a foot on the accelerator, even if it was slightly depressing it. In this situation, the car will display a warning that says cruise control won't brake because the accelerator is depressed.

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If this was autopilot it does seems like Teslas have issues with really bright sunny days and white cars.

Didnt the guy who got decapitated by a semi was due to a really bright sunny day and the semi trailer in all white? (And also literally not paying attention to the road at all)

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MacDaMurderer posted...

If this was autopilot it does seems like Teslas have issues with really bright sunny days and white cars.

Didnt the guy who got decapitated by a semi was due to a really bright sunny day and the semi trailer in all white? (And also literally not paying attention to the road at all)

It wasn't so bright that video that the car wouldn't have been able to see the truck, though. The pink-to-blue gradient in the sky makes me think this happened either at around sunrise or sunset.

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Dude was going way too fast.

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CableZL posted...

And really, the only known situation in which any car with cruise control would drive itself into another vehicle is if it's just stopped in the middle of the road on the highway. Cruise control systems don't brake on their own unless they detect the car/truck/object in front of it go from moving to a stop. If the object is just stationary in the road, there is a high chance that the car will just keep moving forward at its set speed.

In a situation like this, autopilot or any cruise control system would have had plenty of detected movement and know to slow down. This is what's making me think either:
* Autopilot wasn't actually on
* If it was on, the driver had a foot on the accelerator, even if it was slightly depressing it. In this situation, the car will display a warning that says cruise control won't brake because the accelerator is depressed.

My cruise control In my 2020 Honda civic will slow down and stop at a reasonable speed when a car is stopped at a red light. It is pretty amazing not gonna lie. If my car doesn't fully stop it will also maintain speed with the car in front of me and slowly increase speed to my desired speed of the car in front goes passed my mine. Otherwise it maintains the speed of the car in front of me.

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Whoa wait let me read the first post I guess

the Tesla was going 60mph?! Yah thats not cool. Sad story, Tesla driver and Tesla gonna be in a lot of trouble.

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Were_Wyrm posted...

>Autopilot disengaged 0.1524m from accident point
>Cause of accident "Human error"

Well, it is human error.

You don't need to be driving that fast in a right-side lane and like... you should have some damn instinct to brake yourself even if you think the autopilot mode is sufficient.

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yutterh posted...

My cruise control In my 2020 Honda civic will slow down and stop at a reasonable speed when a car is stopped at a red light. It is pretty amazing not gonna lie. If my car doesn't fully stop it will also maintain speed with the car in front of me and slowly increase speed to my desired speed of the car in front goes passed my mine. Otherwise it maintains the speed of the car in front of me.

I'm talking about on the highway, not on city streets. What I'm talking about happens when you're going like 60mph on the highway. Cruise control systems are basically programmed to ignore stationary objects like trees, bridges, etc. at those speeds. They track moving objects in front to keep speed with them.

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Also they should just instantly refuse any sort of hearings where there's a clear violation of the law. In this case, kid wasn't wearing a seatbelt. It is sad that he died, but the car manufacturer can't be responsible for enforcing something that has been an individual responsibility for decades.

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CableZL posted...

I'm talking about on the highway, not on city streets.

Well it will slam the breaks in that case but it will start slowing down within four car lengths of the vehicle. But I also don't use cruise control like it is a fully functioning self driving car. It's a cool feature but I don't trust it lol it's more likely that it will slam on the breaks and I get rear ended.

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yutterh posted...

Well it will slam the breaks in that case but it will start slowing down within four car lengths of the vehicle. But I also don't use cruise control like it is a fully functioning self driving car. It's a cool feature but I don't trust it lol it's more likely that it will slam on the breaks and I get rear ended.

Nope. Cruise control systems at high speeds ignore stationary objects and won't brake if you're going at highway speeds and a large stationary object is in front of you.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Whoa wait let me read the first post I guess

the Tesla was going 60mph?! Yah thats not cool. Sad story, Tesla driver and Tesla gonna be in a lot of trouble.

The driver for sure, as they were not being attentive and going passed the speed limit which in guessing is 65mph. The vehicle was going 69mph and sped up to 70mph right before the collision. Dude clearly had his foot on the accelerator and wasn't paying attention.

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CableZL posted...

Nope. Cruise control systems at high speeds ignore stationary objects and won't brake if you're going at highway speeds and a large stationary object is in front of you.

Huh I could ahve sworn my cruise control has slowed me down on the highway before. Maybe it was just me *shrugs*

Edit: just me as in I didn't realize I was slowing it down.

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