Current Events > "My Life Felt Ruined" - Talk w/ Detransitioned Woman

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJNAD6dJanA

i really worry about kids these days, sure there are transgenders out there, but I fee like a lot of them could be confusing what it really means to be trans and could even be doing it because it can be seen as trendy.

Especially when people seem to think liking socially constructed 'girly' things means you are really a woman and vice versa

fuck. off.

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why are you using transgender as a noun when you know its an adjective

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ultimate reaver posted...

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DeathDeathSong posted...

why are you using transgender as a noun when you know its an adjective

sorry, sometimes I forget because i was so used to just using the word on its own.

Medussa posted...

fuck. off.

its a valid topic tbh. im not against transgender people but people really need to be careful about how they interpret it.

I find the way people talk about it in this day and ageis that they seem to use "gender roles" and "gender" as synonyms.

I feel that the few detransitioned that exist will end up being weaponized and used to stop people from being transitioned and end up causing more problems. They are rare in already tiny minority.

Those who regret their transition are the rare ones not the other way around.

Oh and most if not all trans activists believe that transitioning shouldn't be rushed. That it should be something people are sure of or as sure as possible. Also what exactly is meant by transitioning? Surgery which isn't something happening to kids or hormone therapy and puberty blockers that are early refers able with most people. Yes they rarely have dangerous side effects but so does over the counter pain medicine. Surgery for kids isn't something activists call for and people like Blaire White know that and lie.

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Fuck Blair White. She's an alt-right piece of shit.

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creativerealms posted...

I feel that the few detransitioned that exist will end up being weaponized and used to stop people from being transitioning and ending g up causing more problems. They are rare in all ready tiny minority.

Absolutely this.

Though I do think it's a valid discussion topic, just without the weaponization.

Only tangentially related, but as a freshman in college a group of gay students tried to convince me I was gay. Mainly because I was in a theater club, cared about my appearance, and enjoyed many traditionally "feminine" things like romantic comedies and chick flicks. They basically sought out freshmen that hadn't come out yet and tried to make it easy to do so. In theory, I see that they were trying to help young adults struggling with their identity, but they were a bit aggressive about it. It also spread to where a lot of people thought I was gay as a result, even my crush at the time, which is why she didn't initially go out with me (she told me this later). It even made me question my own sexuality for a split second.

Things regarding identity should take time and no one should feel pressured to make a decision, or they might make a rash decision based on what is trendy and not on what they really need. But to reiterate, isolated cases like that should not be used to generalize an entire group of people.

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From what I've heard, people who detransition do so because their lives get exponentially harder as trans people than as cis people. And it's true - people transition despite the increased scrutiny around them, because living true to themselves trumps the backlash initially.

But by reinvigorating the backlash against trans people, it is possible to force people back into the closet because the future they face as a trans person is too much for them to bear.

The thing is, though, that there are essentially two futures for a trans person facing that level of backlash. They can detransition and try to live life as their assigned gender, at which point they're snapped up by transphobes and displayed as prime examples as to why gender transition doesn't work and actually harms more than it helps... or they can commit suicide. And far more trans people choose to kill themselves than to detransition.

That's not to say that some people don't fall into a rabbit hole when they're young and regret their choices. But a majority of trans people either understand the disconnect between sex and gender from a young age, repress themselves and come to terms with that disconnect as teens or adults during a period of self-discovery, or actively ignore and try to cast it out of them until they're forced to accept it well into adulthood. You have trans people like Sayoria who say "being trans isn't a choice or something you're brainwashed into, because if I had a choice between being cis or trans, I would have lived the rest of my life as a cis person". It's like gay people who pray for their gayness to be taken away - they're made to feel shame for it, but you can't erase your sexuality and pretend like douchebags like Milo Yiannaplois are trying to push rn.

And people who detransition are relatively rare. Here's an article from January about detransition, the statistics behind it and the reasons why people detransition: https://www.verywellhealth.com/detransition-or-retransition-5093126

People who detransition are valid. They tried it out, they faced hardship and expressed regret, and they transitioned back. But they make up a minority of trans people, and I would argue that more trans people kill themselves before they detransition. To take a small handful of detransitioned people who go on to oppose or argue against gender transition, as opposed to looking into hardships faced by trans people, the trans suicide rate and how suicide correlates with lack of acceptance, is ridiculous.

These detransitioned people are entitled to their preferred lifestyle, but you should understand that you're taking in a significant statistical minority within an already incredibly small statistical minority, and using their experiences to write off a much larger collective of people who already face stigmatisation and hardship. And it often comes at the expense of some of the hardships that lead to detransition, such as stigmatisation making it even harder for them to exist as their preferred gender.

The people who detransition for any reason are already at 1% of the total trans population. When you have people who detransition because they were simply tricked by the LGBTQIA+ community despite being cisgender all along, the percentage dips well below 1% of the transgender community.

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Lol Blaire White video. She's a Nazi doormat.

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I realize it's not that simple but couldn't someone who detransitions (so to speak) consider they may be gender nonconforming or genderfluid? Seems like going back and forth between two gender identities must be tough mentally and emotionally. Not that I would ever question anyone who decides to do so. People are who they are.

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is Blair White where TC learned to start mentioning whenever a public figure is Jewish when it has no relevance to the story at hand?

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Shezarr posted...

is Blair White where TC learned to start mentioning whenever a public figure is Jewish when it has no relevance to the story at hand?

*Searches "White"* 8 Threads pointing out race
*Searches "Black"* 7 Threads pointing out race

Most (not all) having no real relevance. I dont see you attacking those threads you troll

Is that a yes. What's next, the triple-parentheses?

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creativerealms posted...

I feel that the few detransitioned that exist will end up being weaponized and used to stop people from being transitioning and ending g up causing more problems. They are rare in all ready tiny minority.

Those who regret their transition are the rare ones not the other way around.

This. Add that to the fact that TC is a well known right-wing chud and that gets us to:

Medussa posted...

fuck. off.

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Also, Jewish people are white, so fuck off even more showing your hand so damn blatantly.

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To 500

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toyota posted...

im not against transgender people but

toyota posted...

could even be doing it because it can be seen as trendy.

Fuck off.

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Shezarr posted...

Also, Jewish people are white, so fuck off even more showing your hand so damn blatantly.

real talk. why is it ok to describe someone as white but not someone as jewish?

Popcorn.jpg

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Shezarr posted...

Also, Jewish people are white, so fuck off even more showing your hand so damn blatantly.

There's a lot more nuance to the subject than Jewish people being white. Throughout history, they've been treated as a race, an ethnicity and as a religion, separately and all together.

By no means is being Jewish tied completely to being white - you can have black Jews, Chinese Jews, Cambodian Jews, Mexican Jews etc. as a faith. You also have groups like Ashkenazi Jews, who are ethnically Jewish. And you have regimes who count Jews as their own race, their own separate category, as a means to prey on them specifically.

I don't know where the fuck TC is going with his race thing, since that doesn't apply to Jewish people at all. But what do you expect from a known racebaiting shitposter, frankly. This thread wasn't made in good faith, and he won't engage with anyone in good faith. You might as well yell at a brick wall.

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MrMallard posted...

This thread wasn't made in good faith

i'm not sure anyone here JAQs off more than TC does.

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My face reading this thread.



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At least this topic is full of appropriate responses. So, a nice silver lining here at least

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To be fair being a guy kinda sucks for some guys. If you transition and end up like a stereotypical CEman or something it's understandable to go back. >_>
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DeathDeathSong posted...

why are you using transgender as a noun when you know its an adjective

because the internet isnt the place you go to expecting good grammar.

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Don't post Blair White videos. Don't watch Blair White videos. Don't do anything involving Blair White in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qvPouh1gE

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Smackems posted...

To 500

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Don't post Blair White videos. Don't watch Blair White videos. Don't do anything involving Blair White in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qvPouh1gE

what happened?

blaire white is pretty cool and hot af to boot. and that sparkle sound at the start of her vids always makes me chuckle lmao

Bass_X0 posted...

because the internet isnt the place you go to expecting good grammar.

That has nothing to do with grammar and everything to do with purposeful dehumanization. Fuck off

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TC will get away with this.

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ultimate reaver posted...

What is this? Lmfao

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toyota posted...

what happened?

blaire white is pretty cool and hot af to boot. and that sparkle sound at the start of her vids always makes me chuckle lmao

You'll have to watch the video I posted to get the full details.

There is no tl;dw or rather the tl;dw is she's an alt right piece of shit but that's not really a helpful explanation.

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Shezarr posted...

That has nothing to do with grammar and everything to do with purposeful dehumanization. Fuck off

Welcome to the internet.

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CyricZ posted...

TC will get away with this.

of course he will. ffs, there's already a mod in here saying this is a real discussion.

here, let me have the entire discussion:

hey, i'm trans.
oh, cool. how would you like me to refer to you?
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hey, i messed up. i'm not actually trans.
oh, that's cool, too. back to the old name and pronouns, or taking the opportunity for something new?

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What drives a man to make bigoted topics and welch?

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Bass_X0 posted...

Welcome to the internet.

Giving yourself away here

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MrMallard posted...

From what I've heard, people who detransition do so because their lives get exponentially harder as trans people than as cis people. And it's true - people transition despite the increased scrutiny around them, because living true to themselves trumps the backlash initially.

But by reinvigorating the backlash against trans people, it is possible to force people back into the closet because the future they face as a trans person is too much for them to bear.

The thing is, though, that there are essentially two futures for a trans person facing that level of backlash. They can detransition and try to live life as their assigned gender, at which point they're snapped up by transphobes and displayed as prime examples as to why gender transition doesn't work and actually harms more than it helps... or they can commit suicide. And far more trans people choose to kill themselves than to detransition.

That's not to say that some people don't fall into a rabbit hole when they're young and regret their choices. But a majority of trans people either understand the disconnect between sex and gender from a young age, repress themselves and come to terms with that disconnect as teens or adults during a period of self-discovery, or actively ignore and try to cast it out of them until they're forced to accept it well into adulthood. You have trans people like Sayoria who say "being trans isn't a choice or something you're brainwashed into, because if I had a choice between being cis or trans, I would have lived the rest of my life as a cis person". It's like gay people who pray for their gayness to be taken away - they're made to feel shame for it, but you can't erase your sexuality and pretend like douchebags like Milo Yiannaplois are trying to push rn.

And people who detransition are relatively rare. Here's an article from January about detransition, the statistics behind it and the reasons why people detransition: https://www.verywellhealth.com/detransition-or-retransition-5093126

People who detransition are valid. They tried it out, they faced hardship and expressed regret, and they transitioned back. But they make up a minority of trans people, and I would argue that more trans people kill themselves before they detransition. To take a small handful of detransitioned people who go on to oppose or argue against gender transition, as opposed to looking into hardships faced by trans people, the trans suicide rate and how suicide correlates with lack of acceptance, is ridiculous.

These detransitioned people are entitled to their preferred lifestyle, but you should understand that you're taking in a significant statistical minority within an already incredibly small statistical minority, and using their experiences to write off a much larger collective of people who already face stigmatisation and hardship. And it often comes at the expense of some of the hardships that lead to detransition, such as stigmatisation making it even harder for them to exist as their preferred gender.

The people who detransition for any reason are already at 1% of the total trans population. When you have people who detransition because they were simply tricked by the LGBTQIA+ community despite being cisgender all along, the percentage dips well below 1% of the transgender community.

Call me narcissistic, but I maintain what I said in this post ahead of whatever rhetoric TC is trying to push in this topic.

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jesus christ TC

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MrMallard posted...

but I maintain what I said in this post ahead of whatever rhetoric TC is trying to push in this topic.

it was a great post. but i'm not sure anyone who needs to read it will actually bother. or any that do will actually learn.

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Shezarr posted...

Giving yourself away here

Nobody is safe from purposeful dehumanisation online. And using a word as a noun instead of an adjective doesnt come close to actual purposeful dehumanisation.

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I wouldve just shut down this topic to be a player hater to a player hater like why bother even having toyota post? The wide latitude afforded in making a moderation stick should be applied here tbh

the toyota rage would be so worth it lol

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I haven't watched the vid but people transitioning who aren't actually transgender is a real concern and you're reaching the same stubborn ignorance as transphobes if you ignore that because you don't like it.

I feel like this does need to be brought up solely because it's something the progressives tend to ignore because it's uncomfortable, even though it matters. The people who it has effected have had their entire lives negatively changed.

As we speak there's a lawsuit going on right now from people in the UK who had hormone treatments and surgeries when they were underage (via the NHS, not private) who then regretted it once they became adults and say the adults and doctors at the time had a responsibility to stop them and prevent the long term physical effects this has had on their body. This happened to a few kids who have very different views and beliefs as adults. And will only increase in the future.

So many kids and teens are confused as fuck and don't know what's what. They have so little experience and learn so much every single day about themselves and the world. You do a disservice to human beings if you go "Yeah all kids and teens are confused and growing, except transgender kids who know everything and are fully grown/developed." that's just not rational.

I really dislike this "You have to blindy be pro or against everything 100% no nuance or thought!" attitude. You can be fully pro equal rights and fully pro transgenders and hate bigots while still being aware that transitioning children has a lot of risks, including the risk that those children may not even be transgender. You can encourage transgender kids to be accepted and transition and still be watchful that actually comprehend what that means and that they really think it, even though that takes extra time and effort.

For adults I have zero sympathy if they transition and then change their mind later. You're an adult, you should know better and are responsible for your actions. It's not soceity or social pressure's fault. That's on you and frankly I don't care. It's ridiclous to claim you being wrong should be used as some kind of attack or evidene against actual transgenders and transitioning therapies/surgeries/attitudes. No that's solely on you guy.

But for kids? All they know is what society tells them. There's a big 14 mile line between blind denial of rights and blind acceptance of anything a kid says. I feel like not enough people appreciate that. Especially the progressives who directly choose to ignore it just like a religion ignoring facts they dislike.

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MrMallard posted...

From what I've heard, people who detransition do so because their lives get exponentially harder as trans people than as cis people. And it's true - people transition despite the increased scrutiny around them, because living true to themselves trumps the backlash initially.

But by reinvigorating the backlash against trans people, it is possible to force people back into the closet because the future they face as a trans person is too much for them to bear.

The thing is, though, that there are essentially two futures for a trans person facing that level of backlash. They can detransition and try to live life as their assigned gender, at which point they're snapped up by transphobes and displayed as prime examples as to why gender transition doesn't work and actually harms more than it helps... or they can commit suicide. And far more trans people choose to kill themselves than to detransition.

This is a very valid point too

Reminds me a lot of the idiots who kept telling me "We know being gay is wrong because gay suicides are so high!" when I was growing up and then those gay suicide rates plummet in every single part of the world where religious people stop treating them like dicks.

If you're not needlessly an asshole to people, they're happier. Who would have thought it?


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Already been said but fuck Blair and fuck tc

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UnfairRepresent posted...

This is a very valid point too

Reminds me a lot of the idiots who kept telling me "We know being gay is wrong because gay suicides are so high!" when I was growing up and then those gay suicide rates plummet in every single part of the world where religious people stop treating them like dicks.

If you're not needlessly an asshole to people, they're happier. Who would have thought it?

You sound more religious than anyone actually religious on this board with your posts there lol

you sure you arent religious?

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UR giving himself away again

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Shezarr posted...

UR giving himself away again

imagine not having UR on ignore lmao

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