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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/09/21 7:29:10 PM
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Been watching all shows one episode per day in order of release. Taking a break after Rebels season 3 by re watching the sequel trilogy.

I remember thinking the prequels dropped the ball by not starting Anakin as a teenager, not making Owen his best childhood friend, etc. But I got used to what we were given. I'm still waiting for that to happen with the sequel trilogy.

Things I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around:

-Still using X wings and TIE fighters
-Bringing back Palpatine instead of Plagueis
-No Anakin force ghost
-Ghosts interacting with the physical world
-Rey quickly learning mind trick, telekinesis, lightning, and healing
-Rey being Palpatine
-Deleting Expanded Universe characters Jaina Fel, Ben Skywalker, and Alanna Solo
-Recycling rebel plot
-Not allowing George Lucas to help
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Christian RULES
07/09/21 7:35:38 PM
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- Stormtroopers flying

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Veggeta_MAX
07/09/21 7:39:15 PM
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I love watching people cry about the EU being deleted. Did people really think that fan fictions were gonna be part of the lore?

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au_gold
07/09/21 7:43:15 PM
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Somehow, Palpatine returned.

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Lokison
07/09/21 7:46:27 PM
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Rey learning the Mind Trick like that still bothers me. The only person we see use it before that (in the movies) is Obi Won, and its implied to be hard to use.

She just learned about the force less than a day ago and is pulling out a legendary technique.

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marthsheretoo
07/09/21 7:46:29 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
I love watching people cry about the EU being deleted. Did people really think that fan fictions were gonna be part of the lore?

Coruscant

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/09/21 7:47:31 PM
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Christian RULES posted...
- Stormtroopers flying
Somehow, they fly now.

Veggeta_MAX posted...
I love watching people cry about the EU being deleted. Did people really think that fan fictions were gonna be part of the lore?
Adapted. Did you really think I meant every little bit of EU to be canon?

au_gold posted...
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
He lives now

marthsheretoo posted...
Coruscant
Dathomir, Kyber Crystals, the Emperor's name, etc

Lokison posted...
Rey learning the Mind Trick like that still bothers me. The only person we see use it before that (in the movies) is Obi Won, and its implied to be hard to use.

She just learned about the force less than a day ago and is pulling out a legendary technique.
She's also pretty good with a lightsaber right away. Even as a kid I would think noobs have a high chance of severing their own limbs.
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GeneralKenobi85
07/09/21 8:02:35 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
I love watching people cry about the EU being deleted. Did people really think that fan fictions were gonna be part of the lore?
The EU isn't fanfiction.

I don't think they wanted to adapt the Solo children from the EU because they're kinda complicated compared to new characters they can make up. They just wanted a simple good vs. evil storyline and that's why Kylo Ren and Rey are the only characters with any sort of inner conflict.

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Derwood
07/09/21 8:05:35 PM
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The prequels were some of the worst conceived stories Ive ever seen. Lucas could have flipped a coins and made better decisions
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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/09/21 8:08:13 PM
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The sequels are either going to be completely retconned or at the very least never mentioned in canon again, best to just skip them.

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GeneralKenobi85
07/09/21 8:12:03 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
The sequels are either going to be completely retconned or at the very least never mentioned in canon again, best to just skip them.
I highly doubt that.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/09/21 8:17:06 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
I highly doubt that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/gross-altman-star-wars-mandalorian/619016/

There is a serious course correction on the horizon

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Gamerguymass
07/09/21 8:25:07 PM
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Derwood posted...
The prequels were some of the worst conceived stories Ive ever seen. Lucas could have flipped a coins and made better decisions

And then Disney got ahold of the franchise and grabbed that award and took off in a rocket ship never to return.

I also laugh at the people who think the Lucas approve EU is fan fiction but somehow Disney's garbage isn't. The Force Awakens is literally what you would get if you let a ten year old write a Star Wars movie.

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Shezarr
07/09/21 8:26:29 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
The sequels are either going to be completely retconned or at the very least never mentioned in canon again, best to just skip them.
Seeing as Mandalorian is directly leading into them, and tons of canon stuff has referenced or is leading into them, lmao. Get a fucking grip, good lord.

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Doom_Art
07/09/21 8:42:52 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Still using X wings and TIE fighters
In a period of demilitarization are you really shocked that the major governments of the galaxy still use the same fighters? The US is projected to be using F35s for 80 years for crying out loud lol.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Bringing back Palpatine instead of Plagueis

Why would Plagueis be brought back? I won't argue Palpatine's return was done well, but on paper it makes sense. It's a character the audience is familiar with and has a connection to. Plagueis is mentioned a grand total of once in the preceding 6 films.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Ghosts interacting with the physical world
I dunno why this is a thing that confuses you?

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Rey quickly learning mind trick, telekinesis, lightning, and healing

Mind Trick and Telekinesis were picked up in the first film. Telekinesis is baby's first force move, and it's implied the Kylo inadvertently dumped some Mind Trick knowledge in her brain when he was rooting around in there.

Lightning and healing are fair game, since she had been tearing through texts and apprenticed under Leia for like a year.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Deleting Expanded Universe characters Jaina Fel, Ben Skywalker, and Alanna Solo
Why does this confuse you? They didn't want to be bound by 30+ years of confusing and oftentimes contradicting canon.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
-Not allowing George Lucas to help
People spent over a decade hating the dude as the antichrist to the point where he lost all passion for his work.

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Doom_Art
07/09/21 8:44:01 PM
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"The sequels are gonna be made non-canon" is basically Qanon for Star Wars fans lol

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Shezarr
07/09/21 8:44:41 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
"The sequels are gonna be made non-canon" is basically Qanon for Star Wars fans lol
Absolutely. The sheer manchild rage after Kathy Kennedy was spotted on the set for Indy 5 after the months of insistence from the nutjobs that she'd been secretly fired gave me so much life

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Doom_Art
07/09/21 8:49:36 PM
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Shezarr posted...
Absolutely. The sheer manchild rage after Kathy Kennedy was spotted on the set for Indy 5 after the months of insistence from the nutjobs that she'd been secretly fired gave me so much life
There was some thing a few months back where the new Disney CEO was asked about firing Kennedy and he was like "No wtf are you talking about"

then the crazier side of the fandom was like "OKAY SO HERE'S HOW THIS MEANS KENNEDY IS ACTUALLY BEING FIRED"

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Derwood
07/09/21 8:56:54 PM
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Gamerguymass posted...
And then Disney got ahold of the franchise and grabbed that award and took off in a rocket ship never to return.

I also laugh at the people who think the Lucas approve EU is fan fiction but somehow Disney's garbage isn't. The Force Awakens is literally what you would get if you let a ten year old write a Star Wars movie.

Ill take 7-9 over 1-3 all day
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Shezarr
07/09/21 8:57:39 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
There was some thing a few months back where the new Disney CEO was asked about firing Kennedy and he was like "No wtf are you talking about"

then the crazier side of the fandom was like "OKAY SO HERE'S HOW THIS MEANS KENNEDY IS ACTUALLY BEING FIRED"
lmao, of course

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ScazarMeltex
07/09/21 8:59:28 PM
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Crying about the EU is silly. It was literally never canon to begin with and other than a few gems here and there it was overwhelmingly trash.

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Shezarr
07/09/21 9:00:08 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Crying about the EU is silly. It was literally never canon to begin with.
It's funny how much they'll worship Filoni and Lucas, but when Filoni and Lucas say the EU was never canon they just plug their ears

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Xethuminra
07/09/21 9:03:59 PM
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Knights of the Old Republic & The Mandalorian are where its at in terms of EU material
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Prismsblade
07/09/21 9:23:54 PM
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In Disneys era the force has been turned into a kids toy, and the 9 films as a whole labeled the skywalker saga for advertisings sake.

Which makes absolutley no sense because Palatine has been the only constant throughout all 3 movies.

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Xethuminra
07/09/21 9:24:44 PM
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Did I miss an era when Star Wars wasnt for selling toys & they didnt scrap the EU multiple times?
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Shezarr
07/09/21 9:25:09 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
In Disneys era the force has been turned into a kids toy
What?

Prismsblade posted...
and the 9 films as a whole labeled the skywalker saga for advertisings sake.
Makes perfect sense for them to be labeled that way, as a Skywalker was a main character in all 3, specifically Anakin's line?

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Shezarr
07/09/21 9:25:37 PM
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Also yeah, anyone crying about Disney making Star Wars about toys and advertising is instantly outing themselves as a fake or very recent fan

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Prismsblade
07/09/21 10:05:54 PM
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Shezarr posted...
Makes perfect sense for them to be labeled that way, as a Skywalker was a main character in all 3, specifically Anakin's line?
They were nothing more then pawns for 2/3 of the trilogy's so not really. Palpatine and his legacy were the real MCs throughout the trilogy. To which ep9 only reinforced.

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Darmik
07/09/21 10:10:28 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
There was some thing a few months back where the new Disney CEO was asked about firing Kennedy and he was like "No wtf are you talking about"

then the crazier side of the fandom was like "OKAY SO HERE'S HOW THIS MEANS KENNEDY IS ACTUALLY BEING FIRED"

I'm sure anyone who works on or with these movies were taught to not pay attention to the Star Wars fanbase about anything. I doubt most of them even understand half of the shit they whine about.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/12/21 12:03:31 AM
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Doom_Art
07/12/21 12:05:01 AM
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>_>

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/12/21 1:59:45 AM
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In a period of demilitarization are you really shocked that the major governments of the galaxy still use the same fighters? The US is projected to be using F35s for 80 years for crying out loud lol.

Not shocked at demiltarization. More disappointed in lack of imagination.

Why would Plagueis be brought back? I won't argue Palpatine's return was done well, but on paper it makes sense. It's a character the audience is familiar with and has a connection to. Plagueis is mentioned a grand total of once in the preceding 6 films.

The ability to keep from dying.

I dunno why this is a thing that confuses you?

Confuse is not the woed. I like the idea of ghosts not interacting physically

Mind Trick and Telekinesis were picked up in the first film. Telekinesis is baby's first force move, and it's implied the Kylo inadvertently dumped some Mind Trick knowledge in her brain when he was rooting around in there.

Don't like the writing

Lightning and healing are fair game, since she had been tearing through texts and apprenticed under Leia for like a year.

Seems way too easy

Why does this confuse you? They didn't want to be bound by 30+ years of confusing and oftentimes contradicting canon.

Shows lack of passion
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Doom_Art
07/12/21 9:39:40 AM
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Given the lack of quality of your responses, it seems like you don't have much of an opinion of the films or a desire to see anything in the franchise move forward.

If you want the franchise to be stuck in some kinda stasis then that's fair but pretty unrealistic and you'd probably be better off just leaving it behind you at this point tbh

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JimmyFraska
07/12/21 9:54:41 AM
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All of your proposed additions and criticisms were they fixed, would have made the ST infinitely better.
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JimmyFraska
07/12/21 9:55:24 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Given the lack of quality of your responses, it seems like you don't have much of an opinion of the films or a desire to see anything in the franchise move forward.

If you want the franchise to be stuck in some kinda stasis then that's fair but pretty unrealistic and you'd probably be better off just leaving it behind you at this point tbh
This is literally the opposite of what tc is saying
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Shezarr
07/12/21 9:56:10 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Given the lack of quality of your responses, it seems like you don't have much of an opinion of the films or a desire to see anything in the franchise move forward.

If you want the franchise to be stuck in some kinda stasis then that's fair but pretty unrealistic and you'd probably be better off just leaving it behind you at this point tbh
He's made like a topic a month since TLJ came out crying about how much he hates the movies. it's so pathetic lol.

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Doom_Art
07/12/21 9:59:18 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
This is literally the opposite of what tc is saying
When all his responses are literally simple shit like "that's dumb" or "i don't get that" then what else am I supposed to think

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JimmyFraska
07/12/21 10:27:18 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
When all his responses are literally simple shit like "that's dumb" or "i don't get that" then what else am I supposed to think
I do agree with you on the EU stuff, the movies should never be beholden to that.

Otherwise though, I think TCs points are pretty fair. There's a lot of outright dumb decisions they made in the ST.
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IShall_Run_Amok
07/12/21 11:07:10 AM
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Most of the the things in the OP aren't even problems and some are good things.

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Doom_Art
07/12/21 11:08:13 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
I think TCs points are pretty fair.
Not really, for the reasons I outlined lol

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Proto_Spark
07/12/21 11:24:21 AM
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tbf, when Disney tried to do something new with Star Wars, everyone spent YEARS complaining about how it completely ruined everything about the series. Its still going on if the topic comes up.

I can't really blame them for deciding to just pull a ton of OT nostalgia.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/12/21 11:37:02 AM
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I don't understand what's wrong with what I said. Or why I have to meet some quality of post.
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pistachio12
07/12/21 11:40:09 AM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Taking a break after Rebels season 3 by re watching the sequel trilogy.

I just finished the 3rd season and I feel like this show is the best non OT material in the Star Wars universe. Hope the fourth season can finish strong.

Now why are we using spoiler tags for a trilogy released years ago?

-Bringing back Palpatine instead of Plagueis

Most fans would be left confused with that. Better to just have a new character (and not Palpatine).

-Ghosts interacting with the physical world

Eh. Force ghosts were only manifested between the prequel and original trilogy, so I don't have a problem that their powers developed further. Plus other force welding creatures are able to far more extraordinary things.

-Not allowing George Lucas to help

He could have had some involvement (his plotting for the prequel trilogy was actually pretty good), but I think it's better to keep him far removed from the rest.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/12/21 11:52:13 AM
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@pistachio12
Rebels just keeps getting better. Pleasantly surprised how I came to appreciate it probably as much as The Clone Wars.

Regarding Plagueis, I figure he is a new character since was only mentioned previously. Confused audience be like who dat? Oh, the master Palpatine mentioned in his story.

For ghosts I like the idea of them being a sort of ironic alternative to Sith trying to prolong their life/power. Sith experiment with healing which would allow them to live longer, but makes them look deformed. Jedi become enlightened ghosts which allow them to retain consciousness, but only to guide still living being.

From George Lucas, all I wanted was Disney to adapt his sequel trilogy. Just so we can see his complete vision of the conclusion.
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Doom_Art
07/12/21 3:48:58 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
tbf, when Disney tried to do something new with Star Wars, everyone spent YEARS complaining about how it completely ruined everything about the series. Its still going on if the topic comes up.

I can't really blame them for deciding to just pull a ton of OT nostalgia.
Pretty much

Shit like Rogue One and Solo and TRoS are what I dislike in the series

Gimme more TLJ any day

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
07/13/21 1:34:02 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
The EU isn't fanfiction.

I don't think they wanted to adapt the Solo children from the EU because they're kinda complicated compared to new characters they can make up. They just wanted a simple good vs. evil storyline and that's why Kylo Ren and Rey are the only characters with any sort of inner conflict.
Would liked an adaptation of the EU kids. The EU events don't have to be explicitly mention. Could have saved those stories for a Disney+ series adaptation.

Derwood posted...
The prequels were some of the worst conceived stories Ive ever seen. Lucas could have flipped a coins and made better decisions
Decent stories, questionable execution. Many people can explain the PT more dramatically than presented.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
The sequels are either going to be completely retconned or at the very least never mentioned in canon again, best to just skip them.
Sucks if they do just because it would not have to be done if Disney acted with more care the first time around.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...
I highly doubt that.
https://i.imgur.com/E0fNNLB.gifv

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/gross-altman-star-wars-mandalorian/619016/

There is a serious course correction on the horizon
IF it's done, I hope it's tasteful. I haven't read the article in case of spoilers since I'm still waiting to start Rebels S4, but i always imagine multi timeline shenanigans when it comes to bug retcons.

Gamerguymass posted...
And then Disney got ahold of the franchise and grabbed that award and took off in a rocket ship never to return.

I also laugh at the people who think the Lucas approve EU is fan fiction but somehow Disney's garbage isn't. The Force Awakens is literally what you would get if you let a ten year old write a Star Wars movie.
People got scared that George Lucas would mess up the ST like what happened with the PT, but everyone should realize Lucas just needed writers and editors to help guide his ideas.

Shezarr posted...
Seeing as Mandalorian is directly leading into them, and tons of canon stuff has referenced or is leading into them, lmao. Get a fucking grip, good lord.
Eventually the ST will make a lot of sense and the tie in material will make it all the more epic. Similar to the PT and even OT in some cases.
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Doom_Art
07/13/21 4:16:14 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Decent stories, questionable execution.
Nah


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