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SiO4
07/08/21 5:24:10 PM
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...Actually, I think it was a code enforcer....but he was shadowed by two cops.

The back story is, a tree fell down in my backyard and my neighbor, I guess need extra info for w/e.
Her and I are good, we've already come up with a 50/50 on the cost.

But my cat sometime last night pushed my front door open.

~So, when the code enforcer showed up he turned it into a Wellness check.
They entered my house and knocked on my bedroom door at about 09:30.

That seems like a bit much.

I wonder what the legality of entering a home on the grounds of a Wellness Check is.

FML
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Zikten
07/08/21 5:25:21 PM
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I'm confused. Why do they need a wellness check because your door is slightly open?
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SiO4
07/08/21 5:27:11 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm confused. Why do they need a wellness check because your door is slightly open?


That's might point...My yard is overgrown. But it is not illegal to sleep with a door open.
The whole situation seems completely heavy-handed.
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CableZL
07/08/21 5:27:20 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm confused. Why do they need a wellness check because your door is slightly open?
They had to make sure TC didn't get hit by a smooth criminal

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Gobstoppers12
07/08/21 5:27:44 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm confused. Why do they need a wellness check because your door is slightly open?
It's sometimes a sign that somebody has broken in.

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dj1200
07/08/21 5:28:33 PM
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CableZL posted...
They had to make sure TC didn't get hit by a smooth criminal

well done.

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PatrickMahomes
07/08/21 5:30:06 PM
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That's still trespassing right? Even if the door was open?

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SiO4
07/08/21 5:33:50 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's sometimes a sign that somebody has broken in.


Well, that would be my cat!

But really...I just got dropped off by a cab last night with a ton of groceries.
..They may have actually been looking out for me....but the whole ordeal has been very unnearving.

The cops seemed to leave in peace...they even kinda joked, but the enforcer bro stuck to his story.
He even mentioned 'things' he saw inside, which at that point, I would think is a violation on him.

If you enter someone's home, without a warrant, on a wellness check, I would think his observations would be inadmissible.
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Giant_Aspirin
07/08/21 5:34:23 PM
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sounds like overstep if you ask me, but IANAL. hopefully you didn't have anything incriminating laying around or ... producing odor.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's sometimes a sign that somebody has broken in.

shrug. unless someone specifically called the police / etc because of worry about TC's well being, it doesn't seem justified to enter his home just because the door was open.

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SiO4
07/08/21 5:40:02 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
sounds like overstep if you ask me, but IANAL. hopefully you didn't have anything incriminating laying around or ... producing odor.

shrug. unless someone specifically called the police / etc because of worry about TC's well being, it doesn't seem justified to enter his home just because the door was open.


There is probably some bud smell, but it's legal-ish here now.

And ya, even if the tree went down a week ago....there is no real reason to think I was dead...or w/e.

It 100% feels like a violation.
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divot1338
07/08/21 5:43:03 PM
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My response would have been along the lines of 5 4 3 2 1

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SiO4
07/08/21 5:45:45 PM
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divot1338 posted...
My response would have been along the lines of 5 4 3 2 1


I don't know what that means.

But they know they hold all the cards, so I play it safe.

Even if my 4Th Amendment right was kinda trampled on.
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NoxObscuras
07/08/21 5:48:45 PM
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SiO4 posted...
That's might point...My yard is overgrown. But it is not illegal to sleep with a door open.
The whole situation seems completely heavy-handed.
Heavy handed in what way? They didn't arrest you, they just made sure you were okay.

Maybe it's normal where you are, but in my city, we lock our front/back doors . So if the front door is just open and no one is responding, that's cause for concern.

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SiO4
07/08/21 5:55:27 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...

Heavy handed in what way? They didn't arrest you, they just made sure you were okay.

Maybe it's normal where you are, but in my city, we lock our front/back doors . So if the front door is just open and no one is responding, that's cause for concern.


Maybe that is the case...but ya, where I am at particularly, that's not the case. It's different, I get it.

But I just don't know.

What sucks is, I've been trying to get my life back on track, and I really don't need to be knocked off the rails right now.

I think things are settled.....but hearing three officers walking around your living room, while you are finishing up your sleep is......it's something.
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Mr_Karate_II
07/08/21 5:57:58 PM
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Maybe make sure your door is closed and locked next time? Then you wouldn't have to worry about things like this.

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The_Korey
07/08/21 6:02:59 PM
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SiO4
07/08/21 6:04:25 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Maybe make sure your door is closed and locked next time? Then you wouldn't have to worry about things like this.


You are correct....But I'd never think I would have to worry about officers breaking into my house at 9:30 in the morning....because of a fucking fallen tree.

Someday I will laugh at this event, but today....it's just been too much.
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SiO4
07/08/21 6:04:53 PM
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The_Korey posted...
Your kat was trying to set you up. Don't trust it.


He always is.
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Mr_Karate_II
07/08/21 6:06:03 PM
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SiO4 posted...
You are correct....But I'd never think I would have to worry about officers breaking into my house at 9:30 in the morning....because of a fucking fallen tree.

Someday I will laugh at this event, but today....it's just been too much.
They didn't break in when your door was open and probably looked suspicious. they had every legal right to enter and check the place out.

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Zikten
07/08/21 6:06:27 PM
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They need to have better standards for what allows for a wellness check. Many wellness checks end in a confused resident who had had no need for a check, acting surprised and getting shot by a trigger happy cop

Also it's just plain a violation of privacy and your sense of personal space when people force their way into your home

One time in the middle of the night I had a smoke alarm go off for no reason. Turned out every smoke alarm in the building went off due to some glitch but only mine didn't automatically stop after a short time. Firefighters came into my apartment to fix it.

Only one Firefighter needed to be there but for some reason like 2 or 3 others followed the first one in. I was very fucking pissed off at that to have 4 firemen standing in my kitchen at 2 in the morning over a job that probably could have been fixed by my landlord
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Zikten
07/08/21 6:09:15 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...

They didn't break in when your door was open and probably looked suspicious. they had every legal right to enter and check the place out.

I dont agree. Sometimes people forget to close their door. Maybe he had just left the door a few minutes ago. When I come back from the grocery store I often leave groceries in the hall and take stuff in gradually and I don't close the door all the way

A slightly ajar door at 9 30 in the morning is not valid reason to invade an apartment
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SiO4
07/08/21 6:11:49 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...

They didn't break in when your door was open and probably looked suspicious. they had every legal right to enter and check the place out.


I know what you are saying....but would that make it right for you.

...I will say, the actual cops, backed off once we had our chit-chat about the situation outside.
They even lowkey joked with me. I guess they did some kind of background check and figured out one of my jobs and joked with me about it.

I didn't have my contacts on, so I couldn't recognize the officers.
The code enforcer dude I was just drinking last Saturday with....not as bff's. but still.
...But also still he has a job to do.
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Flauros
07/08/21 6:13:25 PM
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SiO4
07/08/21 6:16:20 PM
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Zikten posted...
They need to have better standards for what allows for a wellness check. Many wellness checks end in a confused resident who had had no need for a check, acting surprised and getting shot by a trigger happy cop

Also it's just plain a violation of privacy and your sense of personal space when people force their way into your home


Truth.

There was no real need for a Wellness check in this situation.
~Certainly not to the point of coming in and...somehow figuring out which was my bedroom.

I think all is well....I think....but I didn't like it at all.

Also, there was a part of it that was....This is a wellness check, but if you don't figure out that tree shit....and a few other things that I saw, we can still fuck your shit up.
So, in that sense, it's not a wellness check at all.
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SiO4
07/08/21 6:18:23 PM
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Flauros posted...
Do you live in a crack house perchance?


It's ghetto by my block's standards, but no. Just overgrown.
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NoxObscuras
07/08/21 6:24:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
I dont agree. Sometimes people forget to close their door. Maybe he had just left the door a few minutes ago. When I come back from the grocery store I often leave groceries in the hall and take stuff in gradually and I don't close the door all the way

A slightly ajar door at 9 30 in the morning is not valid reason to invade an apartment
TC was sleep until they got to his bedroom door though. They very likely called out to him multiple times before entering the house.

That said, I can understand being bothered by someone suddenly being in your house while you're asleep. I just don't think it's something that a case can be made for.

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SiO4
07/08/21 6:38:58 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...

TC was sleep until they got to his bedroom door though. They very likely called out to him multiple times before entering the house.

That said, I can understand being bothered by someone suddenly being in your house while you're asleep. I just don't think it's something that a case can be made for.


They did call out...which for the first couple of seconds I thought was my cat.
But ya, they knocked on my bedroom door...and it wasn't really a cop knock.
....But it was enough to open it, and I heard my name, so I was like, "Who is this"
Because the voice didn't sound like any of my friends.

...The voice said, what are you doing, and I said, sleeping, and the voice replied with 'Do you know you have a tree down in your backyard'

Which I kinda already sorta did, but I didn't realize the last storm sent one into my neighbor's yard.

I literally said, 'Okay let me get some close on and I'll talk to you outside. '
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Gobstoppers12
07/08/21 7:08:14 PM
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SiO4 posted...
My yard is overgrown.
Cut your grass dude

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Dark_SilverX
07/08/21 7:09:11 PM
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TC gonna be the next Britney

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dj1200
07/08/21 7:12:06 PM
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I'd probably be surprised and scaredaf and do some stupid shit like jump out the window.

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SiO4
07/08/21 7:17:46 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Cut your grass dude


Truth!!!

It's been either a million degrees or a complete downpour.
I really just need to hire someone for that task.

I am in a real rebuilding mode.

I even have a second other job....which could pay well...but I'm still learning it.
All of my energy and focus has been on that.

I really need to give myself a little more time.
I did call off at my one job though today because enough is enough.
I've been there for a year, through covid and all that shit...and this was the first time I called out.
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divot1338
07/08/21 8:04:26 PM
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SiO4 posted...
They did call out...which for the first couple of seconds I thought was my cat.
What else does your cat talk to you about?

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Kakapo
07/08/21 8:32:42 PM
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Maybe lock your door?

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RedJackson
07/08/21 8:33:37 PM
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divot1338 posted...
What else does your cat talk to you about?


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mooreandrew58
07/08/21 8:42:32 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
They didn't break in when your door was open and probably looked suspicious. they had every legal right to enter and check the place out.
By how breaking and entering is defined they kinda did. It's the breaking of the invisible plane that seperates inside and outside. That's how I had it explained in criminal justice classes.

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SiO4
07/08/21 10:32:21 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...

By how breaking and entering is defined they kinda did. It's the breaking of the invisible plane that seperates inside and outside. That's how I had it explained in criminal justice classes.


Thank you.
They certainly violated my personal space, over a none criminal action.

Even my neighbor said it wasn't my fault a tree came down.
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Mr_Karate_II
07/09/21 1:52:41 AM
#37:


Kakapo posted...
Maybe lock your door?
This

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Payzmaykr
07/09/21 2:07:26 AM
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They should have called you to check on you first. The fact that they didnt is sketchy.
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Smashingpmkns
07/09/21 2:09:35 AM
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All of that would scare the shit out of me lol
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Robot2600
07/09/21 2:09:38 AM
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SiO4 posted...
If you enter someone's home, without a warrant, on a wellness check, I would think his observations would be inadmissible.

You'd be totally wrong there.

The officer entered in good faith, the door was open. If they found your meth lab, they would not ignore it.

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SiO4
07/09/21 2:48:33 AM
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Payzmaykr posted...
They should have called you to check on you first. The fact that they didnt is sketchy.


I'm off the grid pretty good, so they probably don't have my number....But yes you are correct. They did figure out where I worked though.

This is some actual 4th Amendment shit.
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divot1338
07/09/21 3:06:04 AM
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What state is this in tc?

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SiO4
07/09/21 3:40:33 AM
#43:


New York State, Saratoga County. SSPD.....Though it wasn't the cops who called the shots on this one.
....In fact, they seemed to be backing away from the call. They knew it was a bad call. It was.

~It's the code enforcer bro that called in the Wellness Check.
....and the effective, illegal entry.
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rexcrk
07/09/21 4:06:52 AM
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This is one of the weirdest topics Ive seen on here.

Why tf is your door not locked, especially if youre sleeping? Thats like incredibly stupid and dangerous no matter how safe the area is where you live.

Why tf is your yard in such poor shape that it warrants a wellness check? Look, I hate yard work too but you gotta keep your property in shape.

Wtf is a wellness check anyway?

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indica
07/09/21 4:12:23 AM
#45:


rexcrk posted...
Wtf is a wellness check anyway?
You've really never heard of this before? It's just a call to check on someone and make sure they're not dead or dying...

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SiO4
07/09/21 4:29:26 AM
#46:


rexcrk posted...
This is one of the weirdest topics Ive seen on here.

Why tf is your door not locked, especially if youre sleeping? Thats like incredibly stupid and dangerous no matter how safe the area is where you live.

Why tf is your yard in such poor shape that it warrants a wellness check? Look, I hate yard work too but you gotta keep your property in shape.

Wtf is a wellness check anyway?


My strip of road is pretty safe, I know that.
...And I think it was my cat that kicked the door open.
~That's been going on for years.

But yes, I do have to get better about yard work.
Generally, I'm good about that but this year my car is dead, and I've picked up my 3rd job in 1.5 years, all covid time so, it's been a lot personally.

I truly am rebuilding though, it just didn't feel like that today.

Yes, I have to get my shit together, which has completely been my aim, but no one had to enter my house like that today. ((Yesterday))
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SiO4
07/09/21 4:33:01 AM
#47:


indica posted...

You've really never heard of this before? It's just a call to check on someone and make sure they're not dead or dying...


...Which is true...

But I think that was used against me this time...well I know it was...as after he found out I was alive..he went back into business, which in fact makes in not a wellness check.
It was a very sloppy violation of my 4th Amendment right if you really want to get down to it.

On the upside, I did go over and talk to my neighbor and we are on the same page.
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Kakapo
07/09/21 4:43:45 AM
#48:


SiO4 posted...
My strip of road is pretty safe, I know that.
...And I think it was my cat that kicked the door open.
~That's been going on for years.

But yes, I do have to get better about yard work.
Generally, I'm good about that but this year my car is dead, and I've picked up my 3rd job in 1.5 years, all covid time so, it's been a lot personally.

I truly am rebuilding though, it just didn't feel like that today.

Yes, I have to get my shit together, which has completely been my aim, but no one had to enter my house like that today. ((Yesterday))

If your cat is able to kick open a locked door its either one of those cats from Captain Marvel or moonlights as a cat burglar

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Solid Snake07
07/09/21 4:44:31 AM
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You don't think it seems irregular for a front door to be open and no one inside responding from the door?

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catboy
07/09/21 4:48:01 AM
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Why'd you leave your front door open bruh.

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