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joe40001
07/10/21 8:50:00 AM
#201:


PBusted posted...
You don't have an argument. All you've been doing is denial and making up your personal arbitrary definitions. You are alt right.

I've never voted for a republican president. You are delusional.

Yeah, you keep using that as an excuse for your shitty behaviour like Duncan. Many have depression and don't feel the need to be anti-vaxxers and fight for far righters because you feel persecuted and then turn around and be sex-negative due to your spite at being an incel.

I'm vaxxinated, you're delusional.

It communicates homosexuality, sexual expression, and an alternative perspective on their relationship. Other people have already pointed that out but like many right-wingers you have a self-serving memory.

It's porn, it's not providing any commentary, it's just showing porn. You are delusional.

Obtuse and no argument.

Porn is not "an idea". You are delusional.

Sex is no less of a discussion than a drawing or video of anything else. I can see how you might not understand due to never having gotten it. That may be the true crux behind this the whole time.

Again bad faith ad hominem. Porn is not an argument, it's not a thought or idea, it is porn, it's like saying they aren't free speech because they don't allow hosting copyrighted movies. That's clearly not what they are about. You acting otherwise is delusional.

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joe40001
07/10/21 8:56:02 AM
#202:


PBusted posted...
Obviously Twitter doesn't allow people to say white people and men are inferior and subhuman

They kinda do though.

And sharing porn with your followers won't disrupt anyone either.
I can already see that you'll argue "it would disrupt their community" in which it stops being about free speech. It just starts being about what the community finds acceptable like every other community. Most communities find far right ideology disruptive. Gettr finds porn disruptive. There is nothing about free speech here, just different communities finding different things acceptable.

The issue is that Gettr will allow any idea, but places like twitter won't. Free speech as in open discussion of all ideas. Anybody can clearly understand what they are talking about when they talk about free speech in the context of sharing ideas. Except you, apparently.

Nah, many people have seen that. Your denial is worthless here.

Again it's just sad and pathetic you are telling me I'm alt right when it's demonstrably false.

I'm pro
UBI
Healthcare for all
Free speech
Police Reform
Fighting Climate change
Gun reform
Anti-big company
Individuals rights

And I've never once voted for a republican president.

If you call that alt-right you are painfully and obnoxiously delusional or bad faith. Either way, it's sad.

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creativerealms
07/10/21 8:59:35 AM
#203:


Remember the right's reaction when the internet trolls were own their side? How around 2015 or so they propped up the Internet troll as an ally in their war with the left? Seems they can dish it out but that can't take it.


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joe40001
07/10/21 9:02:26 AM
#204:


creativerealms posted...
Remember the right's reaction when the internet trolls were own their side? How around 2015 or so they propped up the Internet troll as an ally in their war with the left? Seems they can dish it out but that can't take it.

I mean there isn't tons of evidence that the people on this site are the same people who posted troll stuff on 4chan.

Generally trolling is can be shitty, but my guess is they will just update the rules to make it clear porn isn't allowed and then nobody will have an argument against them.

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creativerealms
07/10/21 9:12:18 AM
#205:


joe40001 posted...
I mean there isn't tons of evidence that the people on this site are the same people who posted troll stuff on 4chan.

Generally trolling is can be shitty, but my guess is they will just update the rules to make it clear porn isn't allowed and then nobody will have an argument against them.
I am not saying they are the same people. It is the actions and not the people doing those actions that is similar. There are right leaning and left leaning internet trolls.

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PBusted
07/10/21 9:38:41 AM
#206:


joe40001 posted...
They kinda do though.

We get it, you have a persecution complex.

joe40001 posted...
The issue is that Gettr will allow any idea, but places like twitter won't. Free speech as in open discussion of all ideas. Anybody can clearly understand what they are talking about when they talk about free speech in the context of sharing ideas. Except you, apparently.

They clearly don't when they don't allow porn. And yet everyone is saying you're wrong.

joe40001 posted...
Again it's just sad and pathetic you are telling me I'm alt right when it's demonstrably false.

I'm pro
UBI
Healthcare for all
Free speech
Police Reform
Fighting Climate change
Gun reform
Anti-big company
Individuals rights

And I've never once voted for a republican president.

If you call that alt-right you are painfully and obnoxiously delusional or bad faith. Either way, it's sad.

Given how you actually aren't for free speech, there's heavy doubt on all of those.
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PBusted
07/10/21 9:38:46 AM
#207:


joe40001 posted...
I've never voted for a republican president. You are delusional.
"I'm never committed a hate crime. I'm not racist!"

joe40001 posted...
I'm vaxxinated, you're delusional.

You think this is a gotcha but this ironically is just more evidence that you're a hypocrite with cognitive dissonance.

joe40001 posted...
It's porn, it's not providing any commentary, it's just showing porn. You are delusional.

Porn is objectively a form of expression, no different than any other drawings and videos. You're just sex-negative because you're an incel.
But we could play your game. Then neither are hate speech and conspiracy theories. Just hateful bigotry and nonsense.

joe40001 posted...
Again bad faith ad hominem. Porn is not an argument, it's not a thought or idea, it is porn, it's like saying they aren't free speech because they don't allow hosting copyrighted movies. That's clearly not what they are about. You acting otherwise is delusional.

Just claiming nonsense with no evidence other than "because I said so" is not an argument. Porn is literally a form of artistic expression, which are thoughts and ideas. Hosting copyrighted movies is illegal. Not allowing hate speech is actually closer to not allowing copyright movies. But it does illustrate your conservative puritanical incel mindset that you equate porn but not hate speech to illegal activity.

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ZMythos
07/10/21 10:06:01 AM
#208:


joe40001 posted...
I would not advocate a ban on pornography, I am simply saying it makes sense in contexts for places or companies to have rules against them.
My god you're so close to a breakthrough it's almost comedic.

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joe40001
07/10/21 10:13:00 AM
#209:


PBusted posted...
We get it, you have a persecution complex.

No, I'm saying true things. I've never directly been the target of these phrases.

They clearly don't when they don't allow porn. And yet everyone is saying you're wrong.

You are pretty much on an island when you are saying "porn is the same as discussing ideas". I don't know where you get this everybody agrees with you idea.

Given how you actually aren't for free speech, there's heavy doubt on all of those.

You are trying to gaslight me about my own self. That's just sad. And even my detractors will tell you I'm insanely pro free speech.

PBusted posted...
"I'm never committed a hate crime. I'm not racist!"

Um considering you were calling me alt-right, the more apt analogy would be "I've never committed a crime, I'm not a criminal"

You think this is a gotcha but this ironically is just more evidence that you're a hypocrite with cognitive dissonance.

You called me an anti-vaxxer and I'm vaccinated. You obviously just lose here.

Porn is objectively a form of expression, no different than any other drawings and videos. You're just sex-negative because you're an incel.
But we could play your game. Then neither are hate speech and conspiracy theories. Just hateful bigotry and nonsense.

Ad hominins are a sign of a desperate person. Words about ideas communicate ideas, they are not graphic depictions of sex. Anybody can wrap their heads around this aside from apparently you.

Just claiming nonsense with no evidence other than "because I said so" is not an argument. Porn is literally a form of artistic expression, which are thoughts and ideas. Hosting copyrighted movies is illegal. Not allowing hate speech is actually closer to not allowing copyright movies. But it does illustrate your conservative puritanical incel mindset that you equate porn but not hate speech to illegal activity.

Jesus you are doubling down on ad hominins which just reflects badly on you. Porn can be artistic expression, and if this was a free speech art gallery you might have a point, but the point of this site was the exchange of words/thoughts/ideas. It's not a porn site. It's as simple as that.

I've broken it down countless times, but I'll do it again:
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

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PBusted
07/10/21 10:29:14 AM
#210:


joe40001 posted...
No, I'm saying true things. I've never directly been the target of these phrases.

Nope. You're a hypocrite and have a persecution complex.

joe40001 posted...
You are pretty much on an island when you are saying "porn is the same as discussing ideas". I don't know where you get this everybody agrees with you idea.

Just plugging your ears at how people have pointed out that porn can be critiqued huh? You are completely delusional.

joe40001 posted...
You are trying to gaslight me about my own self. That's just sad. And even my detractors will tell you I'm insanely pro free speech.
They didn't see that you believe it's ok for a free speech focused site to ban porn. I didn't know until this topic myself. I'm definitely using this in any topic where you pretend you're just in support of free speech by defending alt righters from now on.

joe40001 posted...
Um considering you were calling me alt-right, the more apt analogy would be "I've never committed a crime, I'm not a criminal"
Once again, a shit comparison. Alt-right is an ideology. It'd be more like someone says torture should be allowed for interrogation but they're not a torture defender.

joe40001 posted...
You called me an anti-vaxxer and I'm vaccinated. You obviously just lose here.
Nope. It's like someone who had an abortion being anti-abortion.

joe40001 posted...
Ad hominins are a sign of a desperate person. Words about ideas communicate ideas, they are not graphic depictions of sex. Anybody can wrap their heads around this aside from apparently you.

The fallacy fallacy are a sign of a desperate person. Visuals of ideas like sex also communicate ideas. Again, you being a foreveralone incel makes you unable to see it. Everyone disagrees with you.

joe40001 posted...
Jesus you are doubling down on ad hominins which just reflects badly on you. Porn can be artistic expression, and if this was a free speech art gallery you might have a point, but the point of this site was the exchange of words/thoughts/ideas. It's not a porn site. It's as simple as that.

I've broken it down countless times, but I'll do it again:
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

Nah, pretty much everyone but other alt-righters already think you're a dunning-kruger idiot. The only thing reflecting badly on me is that I've been engaging with you for this long but I'll admit I have a weakness to sunk cost.
As others have pointed out, this site is general everything. This exclusive "text discussion of ideas" is something your mind made up because you're someone who's unable to live with reality. You aren't pro-free speech if you don't allow pornography.
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joe40001
07/10/21 10:39:42 AM
#211:


PBusted posted...
Nope. You're a hypocrite and have a persecution complex.

I don't think I'm being persecuted. So you are wrong.

Just plugging your ears at how people have pointed out that porn can be critiqued huh? You are completely delusional.

It can be critiqued, that doesn't make it a discussion or an idea in and of itself.

They didn't see that you believe it's ok for a free speech focused site to ban porn. I didn't know until this topic myself. I'm definitely using this in any topic where you pretend you're just in support of free speech by defending alt righters from now on.

It's INSANELY clear to everybody that this site is pro free speech in the context of discussion, and not just random content hosting. This is super obvious. And I am fine with sites hosting porn, but that's not what this site is about.

Once again, a shit comparison. Alt-right is an ideology. It'd be more like someone says torture should be allowed for interrogation but they're not a torture defender.

What? Alt right is a political affiliation, usually linked to supporting the extreme right. Since I largely don't even support the regular right you are just painfully wrong.

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joe40001
07/10/21 10:39:48 AM
#212:




Nope. It's like someone who had an abortion being anti-abortion.

I'm vaccinated and I support vaccinations. You are obviously wrong calling me anti-vaxx.

The fallacy fallacy are a sign of a desperate person. Visuals of ideas like sex also communicate ideas. Again, you being a foreveralone incel makes you unable to see it. Everyone disagrees with you.

Nope, pretty much anybody acknowledges that a person who resorts to ad hominins is losing the argument and not really conducting themselves in a respectable way.

Nah, pretty much everyone but other alt-righters already think you're a dunning-kruger idiot.

You call me an idiot but can't point to anywhere that I'm wrong. The only things that get reality checked (my vaccination, my voting record) show you to be wrong.

As others have pointed out, this site is general everything. This exclusive "text discussion of ideas" is something your mind made up because you're someone who's unable to live with reality. You aren't pro-free speech if you don't allow pornography.

I allow pornography, but this site doesn't. As I said countless times:
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

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PBusted
07/10/21 10:47:43 AM
#213:


joe40001 posted...
I'm vaccinated and I support vaccinations. You are obviously wrong calling me anti-vaxx.

"as a black person"

joe40001 posted...
Nope, pretty much anybody acknowledges that a person who resorts to ad hominins is losing the argument and not really conducting themselves in a respectable way.

Nope, pretty much anybody acknowledges that a person who makes up their arbitrary definitions, resorts to fallacy fallacy after being called out for their biases, and just forgets all the times they've been proven wrong has lost the argument.

joe40001 posted...
You call me an idiot but can't point to anywhere that I'm wrong. The only things that get reality checked (my vaccination, my voting record) show you to be wrong.

I've made an entire passage showing you all the places you were factually wrong including where you've admitted you were wrong while you haven't proven a single post of mine wrong other than unreliable denials so this argument is over. You know you're wrong and you just want to double down on your stubbornness because you're angry.

joe40001 posted...
I allow pornography, but this site doesn't. As I said countless times:
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."
Nope, they are not pro free speech. They are pro their own speech which every non-alt righter can see.
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PBusted
07/10/21 10:52:54 AM
#214:


joe40001 posted...
I don't think I'm being persecuted. So you are wrong.

Persecution complex and denial.

joe40001 posted...
It can be critiqued, that doesn't make it a discussion or an idea in and of itself.
Yes it does.

joe40001 posted...
It's INSANELY clear to everybody that this site is pro free speech in the context of discussion, and not just random content hosting. This is super obvious. And I am fine with sites hosting porn, but that's not what this site is about.

lol you completely ignoring the dozens of posts saying conservatives known for being hypocrites and party of projection. As are you.

joe40001 posted...
What? Alt right is a political affiliation, usually linked to supporting the extreme right. Since I largely don't even support the regular right you are just painfully wrong.

You're not fooling anyone.
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Machete
07/10/21 10:54:53 AM
#215:


Joe40000000000001 made probably 60-80 posts in this topic, some ecen being walls of text... and yet he didn't even actually say anything at all lmao.

Also, imagine anyone other than far right ben shapiro rabid-fans giving 1% of a flying fuck about aD hOmiNeM and using that "u AuTo-LoSe ArGuMeNt" claim.
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joe40001
07/10/21 3:32:54 PM
#216:


PBusted posted...
"as a black person"

That doesn't make sense

Nope, pretty much anybody acknowledges that a person who makes up their arbitrary definitions, resorts to fallacy fallacy after being called out for their biases, and just forgets all the times they've been proven wrong has lost the argument.

Saying citing fallacies are fallacies is by definition self-defeating. I haven't been proven wrong, you are overtly wrong in this topic. You are calling a pro-vaccine vaccinated person "anti-vaxx"

I've made an entire passage showing you all the places you were factually wrong including where you've admitted you were wrong while you haven't proven a single post of mine wrong other than unreliable denials so this argument is over. You know you're wrong and you just want to double down on your stubbornness because you're angry.

You haven't shown anything, and I'm not the one being petty and insulting.

Nope, they are not pro free speech. They are pro their own speech which every non-alt righter can see.

"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

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joe40001
07/10/21 3:32:57 PM
#217:




PBusted posted...
Persecution complex and denial.

I literally just told you I don't think I'm being persecuted.

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

lol you completely ignoring the dozens of posts saying conservatives known for being hypocrites and party of projection. As are you.

I'm not a conservative and again what this site is doing is obvious to everybody but apparently you.

You're not fooling anyone.

You are just lying at this point. Trying to tell me my political stance when it doesn't line up with the truth in any way.

I mean what good is talking to you when you refuse to even acknowledge reality?

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PBusted
07/10/21 4:06:36 PM
#218:


joe40001 posted...
That doesn't make sense

Your post is like people who go "as a black person, I think there's no police brutality/I don't get offended by being called a slur" and then it gets found out they're white. Like this dude https:// www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ white-male-professor-caught-posing-as-black-woman-on -twitter-is-just-the-latest-in-a- bizarre-trend-identity-tourism-153355043.html
But of course you act like you didn't get it.

joe40001 posted...
Saying citing fallacies are fallacies is by definition self-defeating. I haven't been proven wrong, you are overtly wrong in this topic. You are calling a pro-vaccine vaccinated person "anti-vaxx"
Wrong. And you are anti-vax.

joe40001 posted...
You haven't shown anything, and I'm not the one being petty and insulting.

I have, and I haven't been petty or insulting.

joe40001 posted...
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

Porn is sharing of ideas. Ok and Gamefaqs is pro free speech but not a place for trolling and nonsense.

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PBusted
07/10/21 4:08:37 PM
#219:


joe40001 posted...
I literally just told you I don't think I'm being persecuted.
Your denial is worthless.

joe40001 posted...
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.

joe40001 posted...
I'm not a conservative and again what this site is doing is obvious to everybody but apparently you.
Yes you are and everyone knows you're a troll.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79556897#20

joe40001 posted...
You are just lying at this point. Trying to tell me my political stance when it doesn't line up with the truth in any way.

I mean what good is talking to you when you refuse to even acknowledge reality?

Nope. https://twitter.com/wuooods/status/1252051656344317953

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joe40001
07/10/21 4:22:54 PM
#220:


PBusted posted...
Your post is like people who go "as a black person, I think there's no police brutality/I don't get offended by being called a slur" and then it gets found out they're white. Like this dude https:// www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ white-male-professor-caught-posing-as-black-woman-on -twitter-is-just-the-latest-in-a- bizarre-trend-identity-tourism-153355043.html
But of course you act like you didn't get it.

Well that comparison would only make sense if I was lying about something about myself.

Wrong. And you are anti-vax.

I'm vaccinated and pro-vaccine. There is no argument here, you are wrong.

I have, and I haven't been petty or insulting.

You called me a dumb spiteful anti-vaxx incel.

Porn is sharing of ideas. Ok and Gamefaqs is pro free speech but not a place for trolling and nonsense.

Porn is not sharing of ideas, porn is sharing of porn.

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joe40001
07/10/21 4:22:59 PM
#221:


PBusted posted...
Your denial is worthless.

No reasonable person tells others what they think and feel

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

Yes you are and everyone knows you're a troll.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79556897#20

First of all, me being a troll doesn't reconcile with all the stuff you claim about me being alt-right and anti-vaxx, secondly finding some other people on gamefaqs who don't like a person is hardly evidence of anything.

I'd guess we could find some unfavorable reviews of you.

Nope. https://twitter.com/wuooods/status/1252051656344317953

Correct, you refuse to acknowledge reality.

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PBusted
07/10/21 4:28:57 PM
#222:


joe40001 posted...
Well that comparison would only make sense if I was lying about something about myself.
Which you are.

joe40001 posted...
I'm vaccinated and pro-vaccine. There is no argument here, you are wrong.

Either a lie or you're a hypocrite. Your post history have shown you're very pro anti-vaxxer rhetoric.

joe40001 posted...


You called me a dumb spiteful anti-vaxx incel.
Factual truths that explain your bias and lack of reasoning.

joe40001 posted...
Porn is not sharing of ideas, porn is sharing of porn.
Which is sharing of ideas which I know you don't get, being a foreveralone virgin.

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PBusted
07/10/21 4:32:13 PM
#223:


joe40001 posted...
No reasonable person tells others what they think and feel

I'm reasonable and you're saying I'm not reasonable so you're trying to tell me what I think and feel. So this is a self-confession that you're not reasonable. Noted

joe40001 posted...
First of all, me being a troll doesn't reconcile with all the stuff you claim about me being alt-right and anti-vaxx, secondly finding some other people on gamefaqs who don't like a person is hardly evidence of anything.

I'd guess we could find some unfavorable reviews of you.

Yes it does. And go ahead, even though far more people dislike you.

joe40001 posted...


Correct, you refuse to acknowledge reality.
Nope, that tweet isn't referring to me.
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joe40001
07/10/21 5:10:43 PM
#224:


PBusted posted...
[Bunch of ad-bominem bullshit]

This is sad at this point

Nope, that tweet isn't referring to me.

Not the tweet but your Nope at acknowledging reality.

PBusted posted...
I'm reasonable and you're saying I'm not reasonable so you're trying to tell me what I think and feel. So this is a self-confession that you're not reasonable. Noted

No I am saying your are not being reasonable, I'm not telling you your views. Anybody can understand this distinction.

Yes it does. And go ahead, even though far more people dislike you.

No it doesn't. If I'm a troll that means I don't believe what I say, but you insist I do believe what I say. You are arguing with yourself at this point.

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MixedRaceBaby
07/10/21 5:13:26 PM
#225:


I can't see about 90% of the posts here

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PBusted
07/10/21 5:18:12 PM
#226:


joe40001 posted...
This is sad at this point

Not a surprise you'd see something as sad since your entire account's existence is sad.

joe40001 posted...
Not the tweet but your Nope at acknowledging reality.

Yes the tweet and you're the one not acknowledging reality.

joe40001 posted...
No I am saying your are not being reasonable, I'm not telling you your views. Anybody can understand this distinction.

Ok then I'm telling you you're being alt-right.

joe40001 posted...
No it doesn't. If I'm a troll that means I don't believe what I say, but you insist I do believe what I say. You are arguing with yourself at this point.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79531697/955949463

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joe40001
07/10/21 5:22:32 PM
#227:


PBusted posted...
Not a surprise you'd see something as sad since your entire account's existence is sad.

Insults aren't arguments.

Yes the tweet and you're the one not acknowledging reality.

There's nothing here I've been wrong about, you are wrong about about my very voting record, vaccine record, and ideology.

Ok then I'm telling you you're being alt-right.

That actually would be a better claim. Still false, but better.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79531697/955949463

Rude people say rude things, this is a shock how?

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PBusted
07/10/21 5:26:44 PM
#228:


joe40001 posted...
Insults aren't arguments.
I haven't made any insults.

joe40001 posted...
There's nothing here I've been wrong about, you are wrong about about my very voting record, vaccine record, and ideology.

You've been wrong about everything. I've never said anything about your voting record or vaccine record. More of your self-serving memory and delusions.

joe40001 posted...
That actually would be a better claim.

Finally got you to confess you're being alt-right.

joe40001 posted...
Rude people say rude things, this is a shock how?


joe40001 posted...
Ad hominins are a sign of a desperate person.
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joe40001
07/11/21 2:10:44 AM
#229:


PBusted posted...
I haven't made any insults.

Yes you clearly did, calling me spiteful incel is not true, an insult, and has nothing to do with this topic.

You've been wrong about everything. I've never said anything about your voting record or vaccine record. More of your self-serving memory and delusions.

You've said I'm anti-vaxx and alt right. Yet all evidence goes against that

Finally got you to confess you're being alt-right.

??? No I just said that it's generally better and more appropriate to be critical of behaviors than people.

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PBusted
07/11/21 2:15:12 AM
#230:


joe40001 posted...
Yes you clearly did, calling me spiteful incel is not true, an insult, and has nothing to do with this topic.

Nope, it's a factual truths that explain your bias and lack of reasoning.

joe40001 posted...
You've said I'm anti-vaxx and alt right. Yet all evidence goes against that

You are and all evidence is for it.

joe40001 posted...
??? No I just said that it's generally better and more appropriate to be critical of behaviors than people.

Yep, you've confessed your behaviour is alt-right
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joe40001
07/11/21 2:25:17 AM
#231:


@LiterallyEverybodyElse

Is PBusted a known troll? That's the only way I can make sense of them at this point.

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ultimate reaver
07/11/21 2:25:56 AM
#232:


j o e n u m b e r s

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PBusted
07/11/21 2:28:06 AM
#233:


joe40001 posted...
@LiterallyEverybodyElse

Is PBusted a known troll? That's the only way I can make sense of them at this point.

No, but you are.
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hockeybub89
07/11/21 2:55:09 AM
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Has Joe shown his work on how an idea becomes not an idea if it is pornographic?

Would someone going on social media and posting a video of Sonic gameplay or drawing non-pornographic Sonic art be free speech? What about porn disqualifies it from being an idea?

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MrMallard
07/11/21 2:59:11 AM
#236:


hockeybub89 posted...
Has Joe shown his work on how an idea becomes not an idea if it is pornographic?

Would someone going on social media and posting a video of Sonic gameplay or drawing non-pornographic Sonic art be free speech? What about porn disqualifies it from being an idea?
What if the porn has artistic and emotional merit as well as making my weener grow to enormous sizes?

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joe40001
07/11/21 3:01:47 AM
#237:


hockeybub89 posted...
Has Joe shown his work on how an idea becomes not an idea if it is pornographic?

Would someone going on social media and posting a video of Sonic gameplay or drawing non-pornographic Sonic art be free speech? What about porn disqualifies it from being an idea?

Why don't they just show pictures of porn without context in legal proceedings? Or in scientific or business presentations?

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PBusted
07/11/21 3:07:27 AM
#238:


joe40001 posted...
Why don't they just show pictures of porn without context in legal proceedings? Or in scientific or business presentations?
Why don't they show hate speech or 911 truther theories without context in legal proceedings or in scientific or business presentations?
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joe40001
07/11/21 3:09:17 AM
#239:


PBusted posted...
Why don't they show hate speech or 911 truther theories without context in legal proceedings or in scientific or business presentations?

They do show them in certain scientific contexts and legal proceedings.

I'm pretty sure several "conspiracy theories" have been brought up in court.

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PBusted
07/11/21 3:10:26 AM
#240:


joe40001 posted...
They do show them in certain scientific contexts and legal proceedings.

I'm pretty sure several "conspiracy theories" have been brought up in court.

Not without context. And so has porn.
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joe40001
07/11/21 3:13:55 AM
#241:


PBusted posted...
Not without context. And so has porn.

Um yeah they have.

The basis of court cases have been "conspiracy theories". Where the whole case is arguing the conspiracy theory.

There has never been a court case were the whole case was just showing porn.

You are confusing commentary or analysis of porn (which are arguments) with porn itself, which is not an argument.

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PBusted
07/11/21 3:18:33 AM
#242:


joe40001 posted...
Um yeah they have.

The basis of court cases have been "conspiracy theories". Where the whole case is arguing the conspiracy theory.

There has never been a court case were the whole case was just showing porn.

You are confusing commentary or analysis of porn (which are arguments) with porn itself, which is not an argument.


lol you're a complete buffoon. With that wording I can also say it's just commentary and analysis of the conspiracy theory and not the conspiracy theory itself.
Porn has certainly been used to resolve things in court cases such as whether it was copyright infringement or used as evidence.
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Tyranthraxus
07/11/21 3:21:00 AM
#243:


joe40001 posted...
Um yeah they have.

The basis of court cases have been "conspiracy theories". Where the whole case is arguing the conspiracy theory.

There has never been a court case were the whole case was just showing porn.

You are confusing commentary or analysis of porn (which are arguments) with porn itself, which is not an argument.

First of all this is a dumb take because a court case is going to have 2 opposing sides and obviously one side isn't going to show any porn at all and the pro porn side still has to respond to claims made by the anti porn side.

Secondly this is dumb because Twitter isn't a court

Third this is dumb because Twitter does allow porn, yes even sonic porn.

Fourth, these two cases were essentially just porn presentations where the other side's only real arguments is that they shouldn't be allowed to do that because muh puritanism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell

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joe40001
07/11/21 3:24:58 AM
#244:


Tyranthraxus posted...
First of all this is a dumb take because a court case is going to have 2 opposing sides and obviously one side isn't going to show any porn at all and the pro porn side still has to respond to claims made by the anti porn side.

Claims about porn, not porn as a claim itself. Porn itself is not a claim.

Secondly this is dumb because Twitter isn't a court

Ok, but courts and lectures and discussion halls are apt comparisons for places of discussion. And so porn without commentary wouldn't be accepted there.

Third this is dumb because Twitter does allow porn, yes even sonic porn.

Not everywhere, and I think it's fairly clear what this site's goal is. Free discussion, not free porn sharing.

Fourth, these two cases were essentially just porn presentations where the other side's only real arguments is that they shouldn't be allowed to do that because muh puritanism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell

Those are cases about porn. The porn itself wasn't the argument but the discussion of it.

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Tmaster148
07/11/21 3:31:40 AM
#245:


Some people really hate free speech so much, they can't help but make themselves look like an idiot for days now.

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MrMallard
07/11/21 3:32:40 AM
#246:


By that logic, most media is about as important as porn. If Snow White or The Little Mermaid were brought up in a court of law and were relevant to the case, any discussion of them or as to their merit would be about them, rather than those things being the argument itself. Ergo, they have as much merit in this context as porn.

That's no yardstick to measure the worth of a piece of media.

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PBusted
07/11/21 3:40:06 AM
#247:


joe40001 posted...
Ok, but courts and lectures and discussion halls are apt comparisons for places of discussion. And so porn without commentary wouldn't be accepted there.

Porn inherently has sexual expression as commentary, the same way a video of a guy getting in the head by a coconut can be a commentary on violence or comedy.

joe40001 posted...
Not everywhere, and I think it's fairly clear what this site's goal is. Free discussion, not free porn sharing.

Porn is discussion which any non-sex negative incel would get.

joe40001 posted...
Those are cases about porn. The porn itself wasn't the argument but the discussion of it.

100% wrong. Porn can be presented as an argument for whether someone committed a crime by recording illegal porn, whether the things within the porn were copyright infringement, or as evidence the owner is a pedophile etc. etc.. It's literally no different from videos and pictures. So are videos and pictures not discussions and ideas in your delusional mind now? Porn is literally just videos/pictures and the fact that "for sexual purposes" completely invalidates it for you shows the kind of unreasonable sex-negative mindset your whole argument hinges on.
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joe40001
07/11/21 3:50:52 AM
#248:


MrMallard posted...
By that logic, most media is about as important as porn. If Snow White or The Little Mermaid were brought up in a court of law and were relevant to the case, any discussion of them or as to their merit would be about them, rather than those things being the argument itself. Ergo, they have as much merit in this context as porn.

That's no yardstick to measure the worth of a piece of media.

It's a yardstick to measure something's worth as an argument. And yes in that context clips not presenting an argument would be equally not an argument to porn.

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joe40001
07/11/21 3:53:00 AM
#249:


Tmaster148 posted...
Some people really hate free speech so much, they can't help but make themselves look like an idiot for days now.

I'm very pro-free speech.

This isn't really a pedantic free speech discussion anymore, as I've said like 6 times now:
"They are not pro free speech in the absolutist sense, they are pro free speech when it comes to the sharing of ideas, or alternatively they are pro free speech but not a place for pornography."

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