Current Events > Kingdom Come Deliverance has got to be the best open world game since Gothic II

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No spoilers I havent beaten it yet, but I've been really digging this game even though I didnt expect much. I only checked it out because I heard it has the best combat in an open world game, and honestly I can believe it. It's even better than Fromsoft combat. Also the focus on realism surprisingly results in the villages and castles being more interesting. Like the world is just beautiful in this game.

It's so weird to me this games seems largely over looked compared to other popular open world games. This is way superior to the Witcher 3 and it's actually pretty challenging and immersive. Like I've been addicted and I needed to gush. Easily in my top 5 games of the previous decade.

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Nah

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how much is it now

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Dakimakura posted...

how much is it now

It's $10 or $13 depending if you want base game or game + DLC.

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Irony posted...

Nah

You make some interesting and well thought out points but I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this.

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I heard many bad things about it initially, but after playing it, I really ended up enjoying it. Hell, it's one of the few games I played three times in a row in the last several generations. It's just a shame about the glitches, load times, and easily broken difficulty. But, hey -- the DLC is mostly enjoyable across the board and you really come to love those characters. Even playing friggin' farkle is fun...if you get cheating dice.

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Shotgunnova posted...

I heard many bad things about it initially, but after playing it, I really ended up enjoying it. Hell, it's one of the few games I played three times in a row in the last several generations. It's just a shame about the glitches, load times, and easily broken difficulty. But, hey -- the DLC is mostly enjoyable across the board and you really come to love those characters. Even playing friggin' farkle is fun...if you get cheating dice.

The load times are annoying yeah, but tbf glitches and easily broken difficulty are the norm for open world games. I dont think this game is as bad as Witcher 3 or Skyrim when it comes to that stuff.

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It did some things very well, but I couldn't get over the fact that there's nothing in the woods!

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its honestly one of my favorite games, its so good. I can't wait to get a high end CPU to run it on the maxxxest settings.

nothing in the woods? There is stuff in the woods... cumen encampments, roads that may or may not have ambushes from various people and not just one type of enemy, animals to hunt or poach.

Shit's awesome. It's one of the best games of all time IMO.

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BignutzisBack posted...

It did some things very well, but I couldn't get over the fact that there's nothing in the woods!

The first time you enter the woods it's like "Holy shit, these are gonna be amazing to explore. It looks so good". Then after 10 minutes of exploring you realize that there's nothing to actually see.

But i still got 30 hours in. It was alright. I could never get use to combat which kind of wore on me.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

The first time you enter the woods it's like "Holy shit, these are gonna be amazing to explore. It looks so good". Then after 10 minutes of exploring you realize that there's nothing to actually see.

But i still got 30 hours in. It was alright. I could never get use to combat which kind of wore on me.

What's supposed to be in the woods? It's not a fantasy game so theres not gonna be monsters. Theres animals to hunt and enemy camps. And the combat is brilliant tbh.

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Leanaunfurled posted...

It's $10 or $13 depending if you want base game or game + DLC.

Seems like a bit more than I want to spend. Not that it is expensive, but I have way too much other stuff to play.

How are the mods?

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I put like 130 hours into it during lockdown last year. As much as I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I could ever start it over again. I wouldn't call the combat great but there's more to it than I expected, though I never reached a point where fighting multiple enemies at once felt good. I think the thing that stood out the most was the character progression and how you can really feel yourself getting better at everything you do.

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Not even close. It was boring empty and so riddled with bugs that it made Bethesda games seem flawless

The game wasnt overlooked when it came out - it was a big fucking mess which was widely publicized. Thats why not a lot of people played it. Im assuming they cleaned it up a lot with patches

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Axiom posted...

Not even close. It was boring empty and so riddled with bugs that it made Bethesda games seem flawless

I didn't play it because of their political leanings. Sounds like a real clusterfuck


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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Im assuming they cleaned it up a lot with patches

Not even close to enough

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Im assuming they cleaned it up a lot with patches

Oh my no

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ELEX and kingdom come are very great imo.

Elex is the same developer as gothic and its their best game since gothic 2. The combat is jank, but the world, atmosphere and worldbuilding is amazing.

The mishmash of themes might feel weird at first, but as you play the game the mix of fantasy/sci-fi begins to make more sense and the worldbuilding is pretty good with tons of lore and information.

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I really enjoyed a lot of aspects of it but the melee combat never clicked with me. Fists, bows and stealth all generally felt more intuitive or outright easier.

I got stuck/frustrated during a main quest story and never finished it, but the majority of quests were definitely more engaging than what Bethesda has to offer.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3b91qQWa6Y

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Axiom posted...

Not even close. It was boring empty and so riddled with bugs that it made Bethesda games seem flawless

Bull shit. I've been playing for several days and I've only encountered a couple of notable bugs. Nowhere near as buggy as Bethesda crap.

Goatsensation posted...

I didn't play it because of their political leanings. Sounds like a real clusterfuck

This is idiotic.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

The game wasnt overlooked when it came out - it was a big fucking mess which was widely publicized. Thats why not a lot of people played it. Im assuming they cleaned it up a lot with patches

You mean the controversy over no black people being in medieval bohemia? And seriously most open world games are a buggy mess especially at launch.

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Quorthon109 posted...

I put like 130 hours into it during lockdown last year. As much as I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I could ever start it over again. I wouldn't call the combat great but there's more to it than I expected, though I never reached a point where fighting multiple enemies at once felt good. I think the thing that stood out the most was the character progression and how you can really feel yourself getting better at everything you do.

You're generally not supposed to be fighting multiple enemies at once.

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A lot of the bugs were fixed, but not all.

As for fighting multiple enemies, yeah, that's often unwise. There are points along the road where you can be ambushed by 2-3 heavily armored bandits, at which point it's better to run. It doesn't help that the game's archery (which actually is decent against armored enemies) is rather unwieldly and slow. Of course, if you can get onto a roof out of sword range -- which is possible in some areas -- you can just pick off those bastards.

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I need to restart my file at somepoint. But i never had any major glitch. A few here and there

hope they make a sequel or succesor but with better combat though

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Shotgunnova posted...

A lot of the bugs were fixed, but not all.

As for fighting multiple enemies, yeah, that's often unwise. There are points along the road where you can be ambushed by 2-3 heavily armored bandits, at which point it's better to run. It doesn't help that the game's archery (which actually is decent against armored enemies) is rather unwieldly and slow. Of course, if you can get onto a roof out of sword range -- which is possible in some areas -- you can just pick off those bastards.

Since I suck at archery, i often spread the enemies a part by running and having them follow me and then kill fight them one at a time that way. I often end up fighting one guy while another is trying to shoot arrows at me.

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GTurtlte posted...

I need to restart my file at somepoint. But i never had any major glitch. A few here and there

hope they make a sequel or succesor but with better combat though

The only glitch I recall was two guard npcs who spawned in the same spot. But it boggles my mind anyone could think the combat us bad, especially by open world standards.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

The only glitch I recall was two guard npcs who spawned in the same spot. But it boggles my mind anyone could think the combat us bad, especially by open world standards.

Thats the odd glitch i get. I can hit and attack unarmored bandits in the face. They wont die. They hit me once with a blackjack in my pristine fully repaired plate armor I die. Lol.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Since I suck at archery, i often spread the enemies a part by running and having them follow me and then kill fight them one at a time that way. I often end up fighting one guy while another is trying to shoot arrows at me.

Do you have the DLC? You can have your immortal dog attack enemies by chomping their legs, setting up user-friendly kills in 2-on-1 situations. There's also a useful perk (Headcracker?) that lets you get instant knockouts on enemy headshots -- melee or ranged, IIRC -- with a certain proc%.

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Wait ?? The dog is invincible ? You got to be kidding. I got him then i instantly sent him home

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The dog can be "injured" and beat a retreat, but can't die permanently. If you mistreat it, though, it may shirk your commands and screw around. I usually send it home anyway 'cause, like many AI companions, they tend to block doorways and stand in front of you when you're aiming, etc.

The dog has its own perk tree, though, and can be trained to hunt animals for you. Pretty useful if you like doing those meat-gathering quests.

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GTurtlte posted...

Thats the odd glitch i get. I can hit and attack unarmored bandits in the face. They wont die. They hit me once with a blackjack in my pristine fully repaired plate armor I die. Lol.

Yeah that's the only glitch I remember, and it only happened once.

Oh well I dunno the intricacies of the combat enough to tell you why that is. Maybe it's to do with weapon choice or stats? I think getting hit to the head with axes, hammers, and maces will take you down quickly no matter what. I never died in one hit though.

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Shotgunnova posted...

Do you have the DLC? You can have your immortal dog attack enemies by chomping their legs, setting up user-friendly kills in 2-on-1 situations. There's also a useful perk (Headcracker?) that lets you get instant knockouts on enemy headshots -- melee or ranged, IIRC -- with a certain proc%.

I have the dlc but it's not installed. I was saving it for a second playthrough on hardcore mode. I have headcracker though.

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lmao

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Yeah that's the only glitch I remember, and it only happened once.

Oh well I dunno the intricacies of the combat enough to tell you why that is. Maybe it's to do with weapon choice or stats? I think getting hit to the head with axes, hammers, and maces will take you down quickly no matter what. I never died in one hit though.

I died a few times. Oddly. Enough. My defense and sword skills are high. But. That glitch is why i quickly turned into a stealth nut and kill every camp while they sleep

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GTurtlte posted...

I died a few times. Oddly. Enough. My defense and sword skills are high. But. That glitch is why i quickly turned into a stealth nut and kill every camp while they sleep

Not sure if it's a glitch. Maybe it is? I planned to go the stealth route on a second play through, and be more a thief/assassin.

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It's alright, I got the best gear early on so I got bored doing quests and there's nothing to really look forward to.

IndustrialTrudg posted...

Not sure if it's a glitch. Maybe it is? I planned to go the stealth route on a second play through, and be more a thief/assassin.

It was a glitch. Cause the hits never registered. When i reloaded and went to where the ambush was i fought the tunic wearing bastards and killed THEM in two hits. But for saftey measures after experincing that odd glitch twice more i ninjad up.

also had the duelist sword which was 74 attack

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GTurtlte posted...

It was a glitch. Cause the hits never registered. When i reloaded and went to where the ambush was i fought the tunic wearing bastards and killed THEM in two hits. But for saftey measures after experincing that odd glitch twice more i ninjad up.

also had the duelist sword which was 74 attack

Oh weird.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Oh weird.

TC. How far are you in the game btw

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GTurtlte posted...

TC. How far are you in the game btw

I'm not sure. I spent probably too much time on side quests, but as far as the main quest goes I've beaten Runt.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

I'm not sure. I spent probably too much time on side quests, but as far as the main quest goes I've beaten Runt.

Good job. He was a bastard. But theres a part not long from that where im at where stealth is needed so start just stealthin bit by bit

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GTurtlte posted...

Good job. He was a bastard. But theres a part not long from that where im at where stealth is needed so start just stealthin bit by bit

Thanks for the tip, and yeah fuck that guy lol.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Thanks for the tip, and yeah fuck that guy lol.

No problem. Kinda the reason i need to restart my file. Need higher lockpick and another thing. So one day when i get around ill start all over

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It's probably the most immersive open-world game I've ever played. I enjoyed it for 30 hours but I put it down and don't really have the interest to finish it.

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sutree posted...

It's probably the most immersive open-world game I've ever played. I enjoyed it for 30 hours but I put it down and don't really have the interest to finish it.

Me and several openworld RPGs tbh.

GTurtlte posted...

No problem. Kinda the reason i need to restart my file. Need higher lockpick and another thing. So one day when i get around ill start all over

I almost wanna restart and build myself up as a stealthy thief lol.

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

Me and several openworld RPGs tbh.

I almost wanna restart and build myself up as a stealthy thief lol.

No sneakin. Lol. Just assassin cuman and bandit camps disappear like the plauge hit. Lol

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