Current Events > Woman goes on a transphobic tirade after encountering a trans person in the spa

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Solution_45
06/27/21 8:03:00 AM
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06/27/21 8:08:10 AM
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Makeveli_lives
06/27/21 8:13:55 AM
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joe40001
06/27/21 8:22:09 AM
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I think we as a society should get back to prioritizing equality. And this is not that.

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The Trent
06/27/21 8:27:27 AM
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TheVipaGTS
06/27/21 8:30:42 AM
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Having an issue with the Spa's policy on transgender individuals and not wanting to see a Pre-Op in there, in this context, fine...Saying over and over again "HE IS A MAN HE IS NOT A FEMALE"....not fine.

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joe40001
06/27/21 8:32:05 AM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Having an issue with the Spa's policy on transgender individuals and not wanting to see a Pre-Op in there, in this context, fine...Saying over and over again "HE IS A MAN HE IS NOT A FEMALE"....not fine.

I can understand why people get emotional, but when people do it almost always hobbles their argument, even when they are in the right.

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ROOTFayth
06/27/21 8:34:38 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
so you're saying if someone identifies as a female then they have to go into the gender neutral section instead of the female section?
you cant identify as a female, only as a woman
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Lvaneede
06/27/21 8:54:42 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
wut
I just realised my post should have said should not instead of should

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joe40001
06/27/21 8:56:52 AM
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ROOTFayth posted...
you cant identify as a female, only as a woman

Yeah, it's dicey to conflate biological sex with gender.

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Zombified_Toast
06/27/21 9:03:59 AM
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Flauros posted...
I do find it kinda sus the people that are ok with the idea of people exposing themselves to strangers and children.
... Its a spa. That's not the kind of place you go to or take your kids to unless you're prepared to seem some naked.

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MARKINGRAM22
06/27/21 9:36:03 AM
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Zombified_Toast posted...
... Its a spa. That's not the kind of place you go to or take your kids to unless you're prepared to seem some naked.
Probably different to see other women and girls with the same parts than a trans woman with a penis as a small child. Makes a lot of difficult conversations for these parents too. If you took the child aspect out of it, I don't think this woman's argument has any weight. I mean a young girl is having a strangers penis exposed to them with no context. How is that there zero issue there?

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TheVipaGTS
06/27/21 9:37:44 AM
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Probably different to see other women and girls with the same parts than a trans woman with a penis as a small child
how about no grown adult should be naked in front of any child? If it was a grown adult male stranger in front of young boys you'd think it was weird, and rightfully so. Why is the opposite no different? Children shouldn't be in a spa like that, period.

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Nasty_Nitro
06/27/21 9:46:28 AM
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The Trent posted...

ayooooo im dead ass laughing outloud at this

thats crazy tho for me the spa has never been my thing too much nudity.

this situation is craaaaazy tho


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gunplagirl
06/27/21 9:47:34 AM
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CE at it already, oof

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CyricZ
06/27/21 9:47:38 AM
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What do they do with the lesbians.

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gunplagirl
06/27/21 9:52:20 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What do they do with the lesbians.
Burn us at the stake. Steak? Lgbbq haha I'm so good at puns when I'm not burning to death in the heatwave of a lifetime.

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Flauros
06/27/21 9:54:22 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What do they do with the lesbians.
Probably nothing. How would you even know they are a lesbian to begin with?

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WashYourHands
06/27/21 9:56:06 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What do they do with the lesbians.
The ones with cocks?

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codey
06/27/21 9:58:42 AM
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So shes cool with exposing children to all the nude cis women then.

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eston
06/27/21 10:00:15 AM
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Makes a lot of difficult conversations for these parents too.
I've never really gotten why people think this is an argument. Having difficult conversations with your kid is a completely normal and expected part of the parenting experience

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gunplagirl
06/27/21 10:00:18 AM
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codey posted...
So shes cool with exposing children to all the nude cis women then.
She didn't even have a child with her, right?

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joe40001
06/27/21 10:17:00 AM
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eston posted...
I've never really gotten why people think this is an argument. Having difficult conversations with your kid is a completely normal and expected part of the parenting experience

Having to explain complicated or potentially scary things to children is different than saying "exposing kids to everything that my scare, confuse, or traumatize them is great".

When a kid sees somebody die it would be natural for a parent to have talk with the kid about death, this is a healthy response to it, doesn't mean it's great for kids to see death.

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:17:37 AM
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Sayoria posted...
I'm a post-op transwoman, and I would never go into a spa. I dunno how any pre-op trans person could mentally do that.

Either way no matter what you believe on the matter, this woman is clearly a transphobe, and needs to be bitchslapped.

OBJECTION!

Female public nudity areas don't refer to a person with a female mind, they refer to the female genital area.

A female changing room or spa is just the polite way of saying "no penises".

Would you take offence if a place of public nudity had a picture of a penis crossed out instead of stating it was a female only room?

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CyricZ
06/27/21 10:22:41 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
A female changing room or spa is just the polite way of saying "no penises".
What's offensive about a penis?

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R1masher
06/27/21 10:24:08 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?

you've obviously never seen mine

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:25:14 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?

Women have a right to be in a public nudity area like a changing room without seeing a penis.

Sorry, sorry. Let me correct myself.

People with vaginas have a right to be in a public nudity area like a changing room without seeing a penis.

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CyricZ
06/27/21 10:25:51 AM
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I don't think that's answering my question. At all.

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:27:09 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?

Well, Stormy Daniels once said...

He knows he has an unusual penis. It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool. I lay there, annoyed that that I was getting f***ed by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart.

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WalkingLobsters
06/27/21 10:27:21 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?
Literal visual manifestation of patriarchy and its subjugation of women both figuratively and literally.

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Flauros
06/27/21 10:27:28 AM
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CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?
You should ask the mods.

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:27:29 AM
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CyricZ posted...
I don't think that's answering my question. At all.

I think it does.

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shnangyboos
06/27/21 10:28:01 AM
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Is a man about to tell women what they shouldn't be offended about? Stay tuned and find out.

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CyricZ
06/27/21 10:29:17 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Literal visual manifestation of patriarchy and its subjugation of women both figuratively and literally.
Of all the responses thus far, this one made me laugh the most.

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Nemu
06/27/21 10:30:18 AM
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She's not wrong in her complaint, but she argued from the wrong perspective.
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Veggeta X
06/27/21 10:30:41 AM
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Self reminder: Never go to a nude spa

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WashYourHands
06/27/21 10:31:12 AM
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Womens rights!

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:31:21 AM
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shnangyboos posted...
Is a man about to tell women what they shouldn't be offended about? Stay tuned and find out.

Well my stance is that it is acceptable for a cisgender woman to be offended by changing in front of a trans woman who has a penis.

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MacDaMurderer
06/27/21 10:37:17 AM
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Anytime I have to go to the spa and see some flabby ass old man naked I find it repulsive. But thats the nature of going to the spa. You will see something you wish you never saw.

That transwoman probably looked fine and was on shrink mode anyways. Also are we allowed to say preop if you dont know that they want to get an operation?

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TuckersImp
06/27/21 10:38:46 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
CyricZ posted...
What's offensive about a penis?

Well, Stormy Daniels once said...

He knows he has an unusual penis. It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool. I lay there, annoyed that that I was getting f***ed by a guy with Yeti pubes and a dick like the mushroom character in Mario Kart.

Why should we trust her? She definitely had an agenda.
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CyricZ
06/27/21 10:38:56 AM
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MacDaMurderer posted...
Also are we allowed to say preop if you dont know that they want to get an operation?
I think it's presumptuous, so I'd avoid it.

TuckersImp posted...
Why should we trust her? She definitely had an agenda.
I mean, I'm all for being offended at that particular penis, but that's just one penis of billions of peniseses, so that's not a proper metric of the determination of the inherent offense of the penis.

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codey
06/27/21 10:40:05 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Well my stance is that it is acceptable for a cisgender woman to be offended by changing in front of a trans woman who has a penis.

Why? What is it about the penis that makes it offensive?

You can't even associate it with an organ that signifies attraction to women, because there's plenty of lesbians in locker rooms and spas everywhere.

That's what gets me about this crowd that doesn't want trans people in their bathrooms or locker rooms based on them saying they could be predators. News flash: predators already use the same bathrooms as everyone else. What they really want is for trans people to never feel comfortable.

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WashYourHands
06/27/21 10:40:38 AM
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I, too, would like to live in this utopia people on here seem to be in where all context gets thrown out the window at the sheer mention of a transgender.

its ok to be transgender, its ok to go into places where your intimate parts are revealed. But that doesnt mean that everyone HAS to be ok with being exposed to the opposite sexs genitalia.

did she handle/react well? Absolutely not. But I dont see many people argueing her reaction. Just that WhAt Is WrOnG wItH eXpOsInG yOuRsElF and yOu ShOuLd Be HaViNg ThEsE cOcK cOnVeRsAtIoNs WiTh YoUr KiDs

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gunplagirl
06/27/21 10:41:09 AM
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If this cis woman can't go into a nude spa without staring at other guests, she shouldn't be allowed in. For that matter, because she vocalized her bigotry against another guest it'd be best to simply ban her from the spa forever as very few businesses would want a trouble causing bigot among their clientele.

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CyricZ
06/27/21 10:42:58 AM
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codey posted...
You can't even associate it with an organ that signifies attraction to women, because there's plenty of lesbians in locker rooms and spas everywhere.
This is roughly where I was headed with this. If the concern is that mixing men and women would lead to sexuality, on a passive or active level, then the idea of only people with vaginas being allowed in the same space conveniently forgets that lesbians exist.

That said, I do appreciate the moxie in being asked what is offensive about a penis and the answer being "Donald Trump".

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Bass_X0
06/27/21 10:43:37 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
If this cis woman can't go into a nude spa without staring at other guests, she shouldn't be allowed in. For that matter, because she vocalized her bigotry against another guest it'd be best to simply ban her from the spa forever as very few businesses would want a trouble causing bigot among their clientele.

"That person is naked and has a penis in the female changing room / spa" is a valid complaint and not bigotry.

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kbe2k2
06/27/21 10:43:49 AM
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Clearly all the spa needed to do was put up a trigger warning stating: Warning you may encounter unsolicited dick

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UnfairRepresent
06/27/21 10:44:02 AM
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yikes @ the comments

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Nemu
06/27/21 10:44:20 AM
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codey posted...
Why? What is it about the penis that makes it offensive?

You can't even associate it with an organ that signifies attraction to women, because there's plenty of lesbians in locker rooms and spas everywhere.

That's what gets me about this crowd that doesn't want trans people in their bathrooms or locker rooms based on them saying they could be predators. News flash: predators already use the same bathrooms as everyone else. What they really want is for trans people to never feel comfortable.
Even in cultures where public bathing and bathing together with family is a thing, I don't think it's particularly common for mixed bathing areas outside of parents bringing toddler age children in with them, so not particularly sure why you're trying to paint not wanting to see the opposite genitalia as some kind of non-issue.
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gunplagirl
06/27/21 10:47:07 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
"That person is naked and has a penis in the female changing room / spa" is a valid complaint and not bigotry.
So staring at another client's genitals is fine in your book?

Jesus christ, that's fucking creepy.

"You guys, that client doesn't shave I'm so offended" isn't a valid complaint.

Btw yeah it is bigoted if you listened to the rest of the clip, she said transgender isn't real and kept calling the other client man. So basically, you're just leaping in to defend a bigot without even having spent 10 seconds to get context. Like usual.

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