Current Events > Do you approve of USA acting as world cop

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Some situations I think USA should stay out of it unless help is asked for

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"Would you rather live in the 1930s" is the question you're asking.

US don't have good track record when it comes to police.
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Yes I do, 100%

the alternative is China or Russia

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yep that is why we have United in our name

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We should pull out of all foreign bases.

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No

hockeybub89 posted...

We should pull out of all foreign bases.

What do you think would be the result of that? Do you think these countries want us to leave? You think that vacuum wouldn't create issues?

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

What do you think would be the result of that? Do you think these countries want us to leave? You think that vacuum wouldn't create issues?

Bold of you to assume he thinks

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

What do you think would be the result of that? Do you think these countries want us to leave? You think that vacuum wouldn't create issues?

Then go to war and defeat the evil already. It's not our sole fucking responsibility. If the world wants to vanquish the bad guys, then the world can chip in.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Bold of you to assume he thinks

Not that any of this matters when the Republicans abolish free voting, ban abortion, and roll back civil rights next election.

Maybe we should stop our national enemies before we fight everyone's enemies

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I don't think people understand that we are essentially many other countries military. We also do a lot for countries that would easily turn to Russia and China. One thing pulling out of places like Iraq and Afghanistan where we obviously overextended trying to do an impossible and senseless thing by fighting an endless war to bring democracy to people who want religious law. China literally believes it owns all of asia and has hordes of nukes, weapons, and advanced military equipment. RIP places like Japan and India if the US isn't around.

And when people throw a broad blanket around drone strikes and shit like that they don't realizes these countries ask for us to do this. You think it is in the US interest to strike a terrorist group in Somalia? We are doing this for the most part cause we need to make partners happy so the job doesn't go to countries like Russia and China that literally want to take over the world.

hockeybub89 posted...

Then go to war and defeat the evil already. It's not our sole fucking responsibility. If the world wants to vanquish the bad guys, then the world can chip in.

Who said war? This has nothing to do with doing the dumb shit we did in Iraq and Libya. This about creating a vacuum where countries that have nukes pointed at us and our allies get to exert influence all over the globe with no push pack.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Who said war? This has nothing to do with doing the dumb shit we did in Iraq and Libya. This about creating a vacuum where countries that have nukes pointed at us and our allies get to exert influence all over the globe with no push pack.

Then push pack. We don't seem to mind making billions of dollars by doing businesses with our enemies. I'm not advocating isolationism, but a collective and firm stance against the globe's enemies.

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I think it's better than not. Sometimes its bad, other times it's good

Shit ain't perfect

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This view always bothers me

hello, USA is the king of the world

where do All Nations meet?..in NYC the City of the world in USA, King country of the world.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm not advocating isolationism

hockeybub89 posted...

We should pull out of all foreign bases.

Joeydollaz posted...

This view always bothers me

hello, USA is the king of the world

where do All Nations meet?..in NYC the City of the world in USA, King country of the world.

They do? For some reason I ways thought they gathered in Greenland...

Maybe that was the Legion of Doom

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Yes, otherwise the east may have annihilated the world by now.

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no but im happy im in the country that is able to do that

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skermac posted...

Some situations I think USA should stay out of it unless help is asked for

A lot of the time(but not every), our help was asked for.

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Definitely. Everything works out in Team America. Why would it be different IRL?
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Joeydollaz posted...

This view always bothers me

hello, USA is the king of the world

where do All Nations meet?..in NYC the City of the world in USA, King country of the world.

He posts right after a G7 meeting in England..

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Dark_SilverX posted...

yep that is why we have United in our name

united means states not a united world

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hockeybub89 posted...

Then go to war and defeat the evil already. It's not our sole fucking responsibility. If the world wants to vanquish the bad guys, then the world can chip in.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

"Would you rather live in the 1930s" is the question you're asking.

lol no

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i really hope hockeybub is trolling

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

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I don't see the contradiction. I don't believe in America being the world police. I believe in the the world (which includes America) being the world police. We have millions of people suffering at home and half of our leaders are trying to roll back civil rights. Maybe we shouldn't be the superhero sole arbiter of justice. I fucking hate countries like China and want them to crumble. If we really want to stop them, then maybe we should stop gladly doing business with them every day. It seems like concentration camps, genocides, and human rights abuses are acceptable casualties when the black line goes up.

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If it wasn't the US it would just be some other country. And I'd rather it be us than Russia or China

We're not. We're not involved in places like Myanmar and we've effectively destroyed South American countries by refusing to intervene even when asked. We only participate in proxy wars or places where we already have a vested interest, usually to retain power over China and Russia. This policy is actually giving China plenty of room to move in on burgeoning African countries.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

we've effectively destroyed South American countries by refusing to intervene even when asked.

you seem suspiciously like a CCP shill based on your fucking horrendous description of how China is using debt to enslave African countries via impossible repayment schemes that turn into commodity extraction

BUT

if not, read this. But actually read it

https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/52153

We contribute to the extensive literature on international influences on democratization and democratic breakdowns by conceptualizing hegemonic mechanisms of regime change and assessing them empirically. Our findings are based on a multi-methods approach and highlight the varying importance of hegemonic influences in post-1945 Latin America. We argue that US support for democratization was consistent in the wave of transitions to democracy that began in Latin America in 1978 and that it was decisive in many of these transitions. While past work has attributed responsibility to the US for the waves of democratic breakdowns from 1948 to 1956 and 1964 to 1976, an examination of the 27 breakdowns from 1945 to 2010 gives reason to doubt this interpretation. Future research could use these conceptual and methodological tools to explore the role of other powers in waves of democracy and authoritarianism.

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pure_temper posted...

you seem suspiciously like a CCP shill based on your fucking horrendous description of how China is using debt to enslave African countries via impossible repayment schemes that turn into commodity extraction

Absolutely fuck China. My point is that we should be intervening more broadly to prevent civil wars and encourage growth in countries that are rapidly developing in order to build relationships and business. We should not be letting China spread their influence here, which, as you mentioned, comes with a lot of downsides for African countries.

But... we've absolutely fucked over countries like Venezuela by NOT intervening (even though we supported Guaido). There was probably hesitancy from the shit we've done to other regime changes, like in Guatemala and Panama, but here Venezuelans were begging for help (and fleeing in droves).

Don't take a 3 sentence quick post and ascribe meaning where there is not.

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Not really because I hate the fact that Europe gets to dictate international law while we do all the dirty work.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

But... we've absolutely fucked over countries like Venezuela by NOT intervening (even though we supported Guaido). There was probably hesitancy from the shit we've done to other regime changes, like in Guatemala and Panama, but here Venezuelans were begging for help (and fleeing in droves).

if we had done more, regressive leftists would have tried to yse it as an example of murican imperialism like they were ALREADY doing when they were lapping up Maduros bullshit about that. :/

ive been watching and cataloging news on Venezuela for years, saw it happen. We did try to supply aid that Maduro just used as more bait.

:/

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America is itching to use that missile defense system they spent so much on.

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pure_temper posted...

Yes I do, 100%

the alternative is China or Russia

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ForsakenHermit posted...

Not really because I hate the fact that Europe gets to dictate international law while we do all the dirty work.

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No

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Better us than someone else. Someone's gonna do it, and i'd rather us spread our influence instead of a China, or Russia.

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skermac posted...

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If Europe thinks that they should have final say on international law then they should be the ones doing the heavy lifting for NATO not the United States.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Better us than someone else. Someone's gonna do it, and i'd rather us spread our influence instead of a China, or Russia.

why would it matter?

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skermac posted...

why would it matter?

well you see the CCP and US government have slightly different opinions on how a government should work

lots of CIA buckies itt

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i guess. it would be nice if europe started pulling its own damn weight though since they're the root cause of many of the current day geopolitical issues.

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If it wasn't the US, it'd be someone else. There are both better and worse choices, and the better ones are marginally better, the worse ones are way, way worse.

Or we could just not have one and risk having World Wars every time someone DDoS's a government website in this day and age.

If not us then someone else with other real power will. Id like to think the US is preferable over Russia or China in that regard. Most likely youd also be talking about less bill fitting to NATO and protections which would also force most countries to pay more for defense which means less money to go into those contries social systems (which would most likely mean a dip in QoL).

Sometimes it's necessary, because there are times when only a global superpower has sufficient muscle and unity of command to handle a catastrophe effectively and in a timely manner.

The problem is that administrations have sometimes demonstrated poor judgement on when, where and how to intervene in the past.

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pure_temper posted...

https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/52153

remember when @1337toothbrush destroyed you the last time you used this shitty "study"?


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toothbrush has never destroyed anything besides his own braincells

ModLogic posted...

remember when 1337toothbrush destroyed you the last time you used this shitty "study"?

I don't even know why I bother when he just goes around trotting it out still anyway. It was funny though, having him telling me to "read it" when I was citing directly from it. The more I cited from it, the more he told me to "*actually* read it". What a joke. Speaking of which, I also see broseph in this topic.

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