Poll of the Day > Mayor BANS the PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE but EVERYONE in the room STANDS anyway!!!

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Shane Fuhrman, the mayor of a 550 person mountain town made the announcement at a board meeting on June 14 to BAN the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at public meetings because he called it direct threats in his community...but when he did, EVERYBODY in that room including the board of trustees and attendees stood up to recite their allegiance to the United States of America.

He responded by threatening to kick everybody out of the meeting after making the executive decision to ban the pledge due to direct and indirect threats and inappropriate comments in and out of public meetings and the general divisiveness of issues created in the community

He didn't elaborate on what the threats were but added they will discuss this at a board retreat or workshop

But that drew the ire of the many patriotic americans in there including Trustee Molly Berla who called him out for his unilateral decision as he responded it was not up for discussion at this point

After 5 minutes into it, a woman stands up and says "I would like to make one comment. I would like ot stake a stand for the Pledge of Allegiance" as the whole crowd and a few trustees stood up and recited the pledge as Fuhrman says it was out of order who said "We did have a one strike policy. I'm not going to ask everyone ot leave tonight but if something like that happens again i will"

Berla said the mayor brought up his desire to discontinue the pledge last year over zoom with a 4-3 vote to continue it and was outraged over his unilateral decision to ban it and said his decision to remove everyone at the meeting who did it again violates the 1st amendment and slaps the rights of vetrans

Sausage Tramp, Lauren Boebert shared the video and said "It's hard to put into words what kind of anti-American disgrace this is. Mayor Fuhrman should resign and purchase a one way ticket to China where he won't have to worry about hearing the pledge to the greatest country in the world. We have veterans who risk their lives to keep us safe and we pledge to show our loyalty to them. Every american should pledge their loyalty to this country that gave them the freedom they now have"..

The pledge of allegiance has become a hot topic over the years where several students have sat during the pledge every morning while teachers sometimes forced them to stand which could lead to the next big issue in America after the ban on CRT.

Would you vote to ban the pledge of allegiance?

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How can you go the whole clickbait article without posting that the state the town was in was Colorado?

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Full Throttle posted...

Shane Fuhrman, the mayor of a 550 person mountain town made the announcement at a board meeting on June 14 to BAN the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at public meetings because he called it direct threats in his community...but when he did, EVERYBODY in that room including the board of trustees and attendees stood up to recite their allegiance to the United States of America.

wtf is the matter with this guy?

Full Throttle posted...

Berla said the mayor brought up his desire to discontinue the pledge last year over zoom with a 4-3 vote to continue it and was outraged over his unilateral decision to ban it and said his decision to remove everyone at the meeting who did it again violates the 1st amendment and slaps the rights of vetrans

It kinda feels like it could be illegal for him to do that, but who the fuck knows.

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Pretty sure that's illegal.

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I would opt for it to be voluntary but were it to get banned i would not mind. Pointless delay to council meetings for me.

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I believe the Pledge should be voluntary. That said, prohibiting it is... You're not going to win that fight. Especially in a small, American, town. He should have offered to slap-box a bear and, if he won, he'd ban it. That would be slightly more likely to succeed since, in the remote chance he won, they'd listen then.

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National anthems are already weird enough. The US having a Pledge of Allegiance is really quite fucked.

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Full Throttle posted...

made the announcement at a board meeting on June 14 to BAN the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at public meetings

Patriotism made illegal... Suddenly, I feel much more patriotic.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Patriotism made illegal... Suddenly, I feel much more patriotic.

Is it really that "patriotic" though? Such blind devotion leads to groups like the Nazis coming to power.

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dvdjedi posted...

Is it really that "patriotic" though? Such blind devotion leads to groups like the Nazis coming to power.

On paper, it's patriotic. In practice, the vast majority of times it's recited are because it's a requirement, rather than out of any personal patriotic sentiment, which is less patriotism and more some kind of weird cult ritual. That said, banning it altogether does amount of banning people from expressing patriotic sentiment when it does actually strike them, so I don't think that's particularly reasonable. Banning its requirement, I can get behind, but not banning the pledge itself.

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faramir77 posted...

National anthems are already weird enough. The US having a Pledge of Allegiance is really quite fucked.

Not really.

dvdjedi posted...

Is it really that "patriotic" though? Such blind devotion leads to groups like the Nazis coming to power.

Oh lawdy... You heard it here, folks, this dude is claiming saying the national anthem leads to Nazis. SMDH


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Arv likes the pledge of allegiance cause Arv is a true American

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Zeus posted...

Oh lawdy... You heard it here, folks, this dude is claiming saying the national anthem leads to Nazis. SMDH

No, he's saying that blindly reciting national anthems with no consideration for whether or not one feels like celebrating the country and punishing people for refusing to go along with said "patriotic" display leads to Nazis. Which isn't overly unreasonable. When you force patriotism on people, that tends to breed nationalism.

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I'd have thought Small Government Conservatives would object to being forced to pledge allegiance to Big Gubmint, especially at the meeting of a state or local government.

Sounds like a lot of virtue signaling going on there.

dvdjedi posted...

Is it really that "patriotic" though? Such blind devotion leads to groups like the Nazis coming to power.

The problem is with blind devotion, not the symbol itself. Further I don't think that what Nazis are devoted to and what the symbol represents are anywhere close to being the same thing.

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tony8669 posted...

I'd have thought Small Government Conservatives would object to being forced to pledge allegiance

They object to being told not to as well.

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faramir77 posted...

National anthems are already weird enough. The US having a Pledge of Allegiance is really quite fucked.

it is 100% political indoctrination

they start training bootlickers at the age of 5

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adjl posted...

No, he's saying that blindly reciting national anthems with no consideration for whether or not one feels like celebrating the country and punishing people for refusing to go along with said "patriotic" display leads to Nazis. Which isn't overly unreasonable. When you force patriotism on people, that tends to breed nationalism.

Literally everything about his assessment is unreasonable.

tony8669 posted...

I'd have thought Small Government Conservatives would object to being forced to pledge allegiance to Big Gubmint, especially at the meeting of a state or local government.

Sounds like a lot of virtue signaling going on there.

Are you being forced to engage in batshit insane trolling right now? The topic is literally about being forced to not do a completely voluntary activity. Just like telling people they have to recite the pledge ruffles feathers, so does telling people they're not allowed to recite the pledge. Welcome to America, buddy. I know the concept of wanting freedom must be strange and uncomfortable for you, particularly if you're going out of your way to make arguments that ridiculously disingenuous.

And while you try to trollish re-frame the argument by attempting to hilariously wrongly assign political orientation to try to coerce people into changing their minds, it's not a left-vs-right issue, it's a fundamental issue of freedom. Nobody ever forced me to get up and say a pledge, and I don't want some fascist government fuck telling me I can't get up to say a pledge either. It's about being an American.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The problem is with blind devotion, not the symbol itself. Further I don't think that what Nazis are devoted to and what the symbol represents are anywhere close to being the same thing.

During the Nazi era in Germany, members of the military and civil servants were required to take an oath to Hitler and the State or risk the death penalty. Forcing children to mindlessly pledge their allegiance to flag & country without any critical thought is dangerous. The Nazis used the Swastika to indoctrinate an entire generation and it's foolish to think such a thing could never happen again.

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dvdjedi posted...

The Nazis used the Swastika to indoctrinate an entire generation and it's foolish to think such a thing could never happen again.

We're talking about the American flag, not the Swastika. They represent different t things. Though the problem is still the blind devotion and not what either represents.

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