Current Events > It's funny how people are willing to accept theories like the universe is alive

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or conscious, or that we were seeded here by aliens, but not that there could be a God. Anything but that.

"It's funny how a few crackpot morons believe in pseudoscience nonsense, now I feel better about my own nonsense belief"

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I don't deny that there could be a deity but Christianity is simply too far fetched for me to believe.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

"It's funny how a few crackpot morons believe in pseudoscience nonsense, now I feel better about my own nonsense belief"

Edgy

Yes, this was a moderately edgy topic you made. I agree.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Yes, this was a moderately edgy topic you made. I agree.

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unnamedsoldier posted...

or conscious, or that we were seeded here by aliens, but not that there could be a God. Anything but that.

Agreed. However I feel that if a god(s) did or do exist that their nature and plan isn't exactly what religions want us to think it is.

People believe other things without evidence so therefore my belief is somehow more justified.

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unnamedsoldier posted...

Edgy

but not inaccurate. it's pointless to judge others' beliefs this way.
i personally don't believe in god, but i won't sit here and slam those who do.
it's honestly kind of pathetic that you felt the need tbh, makes you seem insecure
plus it's just obnoxious behavior regardless... you got no stake in what others believe

at least the alive universe or ancient aliens dont hate on people so far as we know

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NeoBowser posted...

at least the alive universe or ancient aliens dont hate on people so far as we know

#CancelXenu

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I still don't get how Big Bang is so much more believable.

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Faith. Some folks need faith to believe theres more to being alive on this rock.

sure it can be a tool to focus mankind on something. Maybe we needed it. If anything this pandemic has brought an understanding to why things are the way they are. Some question. Others double down on their faith. All focus on making their lives better.

Perhaps thats where we need to be. How does this current system work, why does it, when can we make it better for everyone

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It's funny how people don't see that believing in God is equivalent to believing that we were seeded here by aliens.

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AirFresh posted...

I don't deny that there could be a deity but Christianity is simply too far fetched for me to believe.

Precisely why i'm agnostic. This notion that we know who the true Deity is and we must perform rituals that the particular Deity wants (and we somehow know all those rituals) to keep them happy, but if we fuck up a ritual even a little bit they'll be mad....

...Yea that's not what i want to live my life like.

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god is an alien tho

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Precisely why i'm agnostic. This notion that we know who the true Deity is and we must perform rituals that the particular Deity wants (and we somehow know all those rituals) to keep them happy, but if we fuck up a ritual even a little bit they'll be mad....

...Yea that's not what i want to live my life like.

Yeah, and if God really were so fucked up then I wouldn't want to worship Him anyway, because that type of God sounds like a psychopath.

PIG_B0SS posted...

god is an alien tho

Exactly. Define "God" in a way that doesn't make him sound like an extraterrestrial.

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LinkDaLunatic posted...

plus it's just obnoxious behavior regardless... you got no stake in what others believe

if youre LGBT+ you absolutely have a stake in what others believe since religious officials are funneling money into anti-LGBT+ political candidates

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It IS alive and conscious lol

How can anyone think its not?

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RedJackson posted...

It IS alive and conscious lol

How can anyone think its not?

Can the universe reproduce? Also, where does consciousness come from and how does "the universe" as a whole attain consciousness?

Lastly, isn't believing that the universe is alive and conscious the same thing as believing in God kinda?

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In relation to an omnipotent being that exists outside of time and space, those are at least more within the realm of possibility. They're still widely outlandish speculation for speculation's sake and not based in anything concrete, but I'd put them several rungs higher on the believably scale than a true omnipotent being existing.

my view is that it's obvious aliens are real and it's also obvious God is real and God is basically just the most advanced being that ever existed

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I'd guess atheists in the West by and large would be ok with most of what Buddhism espouses if they seriously read into it. I think an aspect of just not really caring enough to research what is by common definition a "religion" comes into play then. But the antithesis to ascribing to one of the Western monotheistic/Abrahamic religions has boiled down to either being agnostic or atheist for a long time now.

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atheism in the west is built on top of ideas that are really outdated and childish

new atheism in particular was just a way for a counter-culture to become profitable and for some thought leaders to feel like they're better than others lol

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Mike_Stanton posted...

Can the universe reproduce? Also, where does consciousness come from and how does "the universe" as a whole attain consciousness?

It does, it's the law of conservation that has the universe repopulating it's atoms and growing infinite

There's a natural pull from the trees to breathe in our dirty air and somehow the atoms stick to fuse into their natural state whether that's in the form of cellulose or glucose. They don't need to do this, but they do so anyways. It's a self sustaining system that is absolutely alive but yet stays almost autonomous because it does not have a ruling brain (it very well may whether that's the actual 'center' or a giant mass that naturally forms gravity). The world is just one huge stem cell that so happened to repopulate into mother Earth and instead of being just one thing decided to adapt and change according to the times to form ecosystems to protect it's most vulnerable parts.

Lastly, isn't believing that the universe is alive and conscious the same thing as believing in God kinda?

Bingo. Now try convincing people of this and have fun with that cause Lord knows I'm tired of trying to preach this shit sometimes lol

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If we are conscious, then that means the universe is also conscious. If there was no life in the universe...what would be the point? The universe is conscious, and willed us into life...or maybe...we willed ourselves to life.

Crescente posted...

If we are conscious, then that means the universe is also conscious. If there was no life in the universe...what would be the point? The universe is conscious, and willed us into life...or maybe...we willed ourselves to life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

that happened first, and then it learned how to manipulate matter and create building blocks

how idk

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pure_temper posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

that happened first, and then it learned how to manipulate matter and create building blocks

how idk

It's quite fascinating. Maybe the universe didn't come first? Maybe something else did? And we and the big bang came from it?

Is there really a significant number of people who are atheists but have faith in something wackier than a god?

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Crescente posted...

It's quite fascinating. Maybe the universe didn't come first? Maybe something else did? And we and the big bang came from it?

it may be the case that the bare minimum of reality is just this constantly expanding/contracting stuff from which minds/objects/matter can emerge for arbitrary lengths of time including trillions upon trillions of years

either it's something like that or a mind. if it's like that, obviously minds do emerge from it tho, because we're here

God would just be the first mind that somehow became capable of manipulating the rules of reality, like how we'll be able to once we're at the top of the Kardashev scale

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hockeybub89 posted...

Is there really a significant number of people who are atheists but have faith in something wackier than a god?

yes. they worship and believe in State. notably the necessity of wealth redistribution by any means.

the extreme version of these people is Maoists.

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pure_temper posted...

it may be the case that the bare minimum of reality is just this constantly expanding/contracting stuff from which minds/objects/matter can emerge for arbitrary lengths of time including trillions upon trillions of years

either it's something like that or a mind. if it's like that, obviously minds do emerge from it tho, because we're here

God would just be the first mind that somehow became capable of manipulating the rules of reality, like how we'll be able to once we're at the top of the Kardashev scale

We may never know. The universe's life is far too long for us simple beings to extrapolate. It could be that everything is simulated. It could explain quantum fluctuations in places like deep space where you'd think there be nothing.

pure_temper posted...

yes. they worship and believe in State. notably the necessity of wealth redistribution by any means.

the extreme version of these people is Maoists.

It's always weird to see religious people try to badmouth atheists by calling them religious. Oh shit, you really got them there.


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Bruh, this thread

Atheism isnt cool anymore, most of you are 35 fat and balding

Check yourself

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wholeheartedly posted...

Bruh, this thread

Atheism isnt cool anymore, most of you are 35 fat and balding

Check yourself

what do you look like?

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pure_temper posted...

yes. they worship and believe in State. notably the necessity of wealth redistribution by any means.

the extreme version of these people is Maoists.

Oh so barely anybody. Glad we got that cleared up.


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pure_temper posted...

yes. they worship and believe in State. notably the necessity of wealth redistribution by any means.

the extreme version of these people is Maoists.

This is certainly a fucking take.

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DespondentDeity posted...

what do you look like?

It is an excellent question to ask before you engage in any argument online

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wholeheartedly posted...

It is an excellent question to ask before you engage in any argument online

you brought up looks first, made me curious

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Here's my take:

Life is a chemical process. The universe could be considered alive in a loose sense, since its process is playing out, like ours. I don't see where a big man in the sky fits into this equation.

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Good question indeed

Really makes you think

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wholeheartedly posted...

Bruh, this thread

Atheism isnt cool anymore, most of you are 35 fat and balding

Check yourself

It's not cool. In fact, it's depressing to know there is very likely nothing but lack of existence at the end of life. It's just the logical conclusion at the moment until we have hard evidence pointing towards a deity or afterlife, rather than strong feelings and faith.

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I am not opposed to the idea of a deity, but Im baffled by the concept of one that takes attendance.

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's not cool. In fact, it's depressing to know there is very likely nothing but lack of existence at the end of life. It's just the logical conclusion at the moment until we have hard evidence pointing towards a deity or afterlife, rather than strong feelings and faith.

Hmm well said, I dont claim to know the answer, pretty real chance that youre right, 100% chance that I dont know

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TC, things have been proved that things grow and evolve. That sort of things happening other places in the entire universe is a LOT more possible than some deity snapped their fingers and everything appeared.

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pure_temper posted...

God would just be the first mind that somehow became capable of manipulating the rules of reality, like how we'll be able to once we're at the top of the Kardashev scale

That's kinda freaky if you think about it. But where do these particles come from nah mean? The quantum world is so interesting.

hockeybub89 posted...

It's not cool. In fact, it's depressing to know there is very likely nothing but lack of existence at the end of life. It's just the logical conclusion at the moment until we have hard evidence pointing towards a deity or afterlife, rather than strong feelings and faith.

I think it's illogical to come to the conclusion that life is as basic as "live > die" when you can clearly see the complexity and "luck" involved in our existence. The only logical conclusion and evidence of the immaterial is higher mental faculties: thought, consciousness, and experience of emotion at a complex level. There is reason for these things to exist, and that reason can never be answered scientifically because it's not a scientific question -- which is the mistake so many people like you continuously make in these discussions.

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The universe is a big ol vagina

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