Current Events > "Moving goalpost Beerus" is such bullshit

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Josiah_Is_Back
06/19/21 5:05:55 PM
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Beerus was clearly surpassed by both Goku and Jiren in the ToP.

Super-suppressed Jiren elicited a shocked "Is this really the energy from just one warrior?!" comment from Beerus just by flexing in preparation for his battle against Goku.

Whis stated in the past that Beerus has not mastered Ultra Instinct.

Goku attained MUI and then Jiren powered up to match him. All the Gods of Destruction stood in amazement, because these mortals surpassed them.

But nooo... Beerus is still "untouchable" for plot reasons. It's fucking dumb.
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lilORANG
06/19/21 5:07:48 PM
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I remember when he was named Bills.
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GreatGoomba
06/19/21 5:10:27 PM
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Cause he's a kitty cat

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Rhylos
06/19/21 5:11:47 PM
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That's been the problem in dragonball since it's inception. Hell, is the issue with every shonen. Every time a strong person shows up, people want to know "when is protagonist going to be strong enough to beat up this person."
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voldothegr8
06/19/21 5:16:34 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Beerus was clearly surpassed by both Goku and Jiren in the ToP.

He was not
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Josiah_Is_Back
06/19/21 5:16:37 PM
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Rhylos posted...
That's been the problem in dragonball since it's inception. Hell, is the issue with every shonen. Every time a strong person shows up, people want to know "when is protagonist going to be strong enough to beat up this person."

It's even worse with Beerus because we already know there are tiers of power far beyond him. The angels, then the Grand Priest, and finally Zeno himself.

It would be more interesting for them to roll with the obvious--Beerus has been surpassed by Goku-- to explore further the relationship between the two and see Beerus actually have to try to reclaim his superior status.

It's not like a mortal being stronger than their god is disallowed. It was made abundantly clear by Jiren's own God of Destruction that Jiren was above him.

Beerus remaining unsurpassed is dumb and contradictory to everything we've seen
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Josiah_Is_Back
06/19/21 5:18:09 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
He was not

Really? That's why Beerus was clearly perturbed that Goku attained a state Whis made clear Beerus has not? That's why Jiren was making Beerus sweat bullets?
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SpiritSephiroth
06/19/21 5:22:22 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Really? That's why Beerus was clearly perturbed that Goku attained a state Whis made clear Beerus has not? That's why Jiren was making Beerus sweat bullets?

Jiren was able to give Goku a run for his money despite not having MUI. Beerus seeing mortals with that amount of power making him sweat doesnt necessarily mean they surpassed him either.

Heck, even the angels and Grand priest were kind of in awe, because again, they are only mortals and not Godly beings. When Beerus saw MUI it seemed like he was mostly excited tbh.

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Josiah_Is_Back
06/19/21 5:27:47 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Jiren was able to give Goku a run for his money despite not having MUI. Beerus seeing mortals with that amount of power making him sweat doesnt necessarily mean they surpassed him either.

Heck, even the angels and Grand priest were kind of in awe, because again, they are only mortals and not Godly beings. When Beerus saw MUI it seemed like he was mostly excited tbh.

Consider that toward the beginning of the tournament, Whis said Jiren is a being who has "reached that level of power [a God of Destruction], perhaps even surpassed it."

Whis said this about suppressed Jiren, before his countless powerups. Now what would Whis say about Limit Breaker Jiren? The implication is obvious
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LNSS
06/19/21 5:29:40 PM
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Didnt you make this same topic on the DB board.
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SpiritSephiroth
06/19/21 5:54:08 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Consider that toward the beginning of the tournament, Whis said Jiren is a being who has "reached that level of power [a God of Destruction], perhaps even surpassed it."

Whis said this about suppressed Jiren, before his countless powerups. Now what would Whis say about Limit Breaker Jiren? The implication is obvious

Whis, an angel with probable infinite wisdom, probably had an idea with where his maximum power was at. Although this is all conjecture tbh.

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KeeperOfShadows
06/19/21 6:00:22 PM
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Rhylos posted...
That's been the problem in dragonball since it's inception. Hell, is the issue with every shonen. Every time a strong person shows up, people want to know "when is protagonist going to be strong enough to beat up this person."

More an issue with the fans than anime itself. And there are plenty of shonen where the protagonist is nowhere near the strongest character.

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Njolk
06/19/21 6:01:04 PM
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I liked when " a super Saiyan is a once in a millenia occurrence, the ultimate power" became so commonplace and weak that an old man build a bunch of robots in a cave more powerful

Frieza should have been the end

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Rhylos
06/19/21 6:03:44 PM
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Super is such garbage. The limitless potential of infinite universes diluted down to a couple handful of universes, then into one tourney, then into one strong guy Jiren. I'll never get over that throwaway line where (I think) Whis says there's only like 50 planets with people on them in their universe.

Not to mention the retconning of the potaras being temporary, the fact there were 5 supreme kais (and should have the same amount for each universe, not just one,) and the concept of god ki is dumb. Like, blue goku will never not look dumb.
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MarbyIsBack
06/19/21 6:05:36 PM
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I mean, if memory serves, Goku only beat Jiren because A) he could win via ring out, and B) he had Freeza helping out. In a straight fight, Jiren probably would've won. So all these arguments about Jiren being stronger than the Gods of Destruction are kind of moot because, even if he is, Goku's not stronger than Jiren, so Goku likely still hasn't surpassed Beerus.

Then again it's been a while since I watched Super, so...

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Middle hope
06/19/21 6:07:17 PM
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I hate how they made Genie Man Boo such a cuck. Dude should have had more focus and put up a better fight against Bills.

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Jiek_Fafn
06/19/21 6:50:38 PM
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Beerus is the strongest GoD though and he's a lazy fuck. Just because Jiren beats up clown GoD doesn't mean he can beat up Beerus especially if he were to actually train.

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Gamerguymass
06/19/21 6:53:48 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
Really? That's why Beerus was clearly perturbed that Goku attained a state Whis made clear Beerus has not? That's why Jiren was making Beerus sweat bullets?

It's simple, because if Jiren can power up enough and beat Goku then Beerus gets wiped out and dies. His life is on the line and there is literally nothing he can do about it. So of course he sweats bullets every time Jiren comes back from the verge of defeat and powers up even more.

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SuspectWords
06/19/21 7:19:12 PM
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I once thought of a buff to GoDs. One where they use erasing techniques with their martial arts. Not just destroyer energy balls, etc. Erase what is hit. Then again even Jirenn can be erased from any actual GoD. So the story goes. Unless it's written that that is not the case.

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AlisLandale
06/19/21 7:22:48 PM
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Josiah_Is_Back posted...
It would be more interesting for them to roll with the obvious--Beerus has been surpassed by Goku-- to explore further the relationship between the two and see Beerus actually have to try to reclaim his superior status.


So turn him into Vegeta?


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NotoriousIy
06/19/21 7:24:29 PM
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Yeah, Beerus also lied about Monaka being the strongest in the universe behind him and we saw what happened there.

..Maybe he's just a really good liar..

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PC-Builder_Pony
06/19/21 7:24:58 PM
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lilORANG posted...
I remember when he was named Bills.

It was good

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ViewtifulGrave
06/19/21 7:26:16 PM
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No mortal has surpassed Beerus. The Oracle Fishs prophecy has yet to become reality.

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ViewtifulGrave
06/19/21 7:29:57 PM
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PC-Builder_Pony posted...
It was good
It was a mistranslation.

The GoD and Angels are all named after alcohol.

Beerus = beer
Whis = whiskey
Champa = champagne
Vados = Vodka

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Unsugarized_Foo
06/19/21 7:34:44 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
No mortal has surpassed Beerus. The Oracle Fishs prophecy has yet to become reality.

Wouldn't this arc's wish kinda solidify the fish?

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Alucard188
06/19/21 7:36:11 PM
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I stopped paying attention to Dragon Ball once Dragon Ball Z concluded. All these other forms sound like fan fiction.

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Southernfatman
06/19/21 7:36:25 PM
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I haven't watched any DBZ since the early Buu saga, but I got to wonder how far will these things go? It was already getting too much during the Cell/Buu stuff. You got gods above gods above other gods with power levels in the googolplex range.

Seems quaint when you look back to where the first few major bad guys were goofballs, guys with guns, and just really tough humans.

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ViewtifulGrave
06/20/21 12:26:19 AM
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@Unsugarized_Foo
Wouldn't this arc's wish kinda solidify the fish?
No.



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Unsugarized_Foo
06/20/21 12:46:15 AM
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Fuckin' dragon tryin' to litigate this poor dude's wish.

But does that confirm Beerus is GOATT?

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Flauros
06/20/21 12:49:06 AM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Fuckin' dragon tryin' to litigate this poor dude's wish.

But does that confirm Beerus is GOATT?
Shenron was terrified of Beerus

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Unsugarized_Foo
06/20/21 12:56:51 AM
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hakai, my guy

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Tyranthraxus
06/20/21 1:08:45 AM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
It was a mistranslation.

The GoD and Angels are all named after alcohol.

Beerus = beer
Whis = whiskey
Champa = champagne
Vados = Vodka

Wait....

Jiren = Gin?

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Back_Stabbath
06/20/21 1:14:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Jiren = Gin?

universe 11 are kitchen appliances and utensils. Jiren = renji = Range/Stove

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Tyranthraxus
06/20/21 1:17:19 AM
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Back_Stabbath posted...
universe 11 are kitchen appliances and utensils. Jiren = renji = Range/Stove

Okay so ToP was literally about cooking carrots with alcohol.

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tremain07
06/20/21 1:19:07 AM
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Beerus is unsurpassed and Granola is stronger than Jiren, Broly AND Moro especially reading the spoiers of the latest chapter he did some aizen shit and one shot Goku in MUI form

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Back_Stabbath
06/20/21 1:34:09 AM
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tremain07 posted...
Beerus is unsurpassed and Granola is stronger than Jiren, Broly AND Moro especially reading the spoiers of the latest chapter he did some aizen shit and one shot Goku in MUI form

yeah this new arc is some next level dragon ball bullcrap lmao

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Ryuko_Chan
06/20/21 1:40:03 AM
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Middle hope posted...
I hate how they made Genie Man Boo such a cuck. Dude should have had more focus and put up a better fight against Bills.


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tremain07
06/20/21 1:40:07 AM
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Meanwhile in Heroes there's Goku who has a time breaker symbol on his gi, Goku who seems to come from a ruined timeline and Goku Black super saiyan rose 2 who killed 99 Gokus from alternate timelines already meanwhile xeno Goku is still busy with super saiyan 4 limit breaker legendary super saiyan edition black star Broly but Vegeta has seemingly mastered Super saiyan blue evolved Beserker Controlled thanks to Evil Saiyan Turles

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