Current Events > Domestic terrorist's family says they're sad that her memory is being fucked up.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

shut the fuck up

You realize that cursing at someone never makes you come off reasonable right?

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CableZL posted...

She fits the definition of a terrorist. Accurately calling someone a terrorist isn't "getting off when calling her a terrorist."

If you see someone working in a dental office performing a root canal procedure, it's fair to call that person a dentist. You aren't "getting off on calling them a dentist."

There's a big difference between factually calling her a terrorist and over using the term terrorist and almost saying it with joy.

The fact that you see this in such a black and white matter is extremely telling.

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The hysteria over January 6th is almost as funny as the actual day was.

DuranOfForcena posted...

it is entirely and utterly pointless to try and be reasonable with people who have an irrational view of reality

Yeah you're right, it was a mistake to try and reason with you at all. Go back to making ad hominem arguments.

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KStateKing17 posted...

They seriously modded you for that? Lol

Yes they did

Treasonous terrorist

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TommyG663513 posted...

It's really weird how many people seem to really get off when calling her a terrorist. Like damn get a grip.

Why shouldn't she called one?

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NatsuSama posted...

Why shouldn't she called one?

TommyG663513 posted...

There's a big difference between factually calling her a terrorist and over using the term terrorist and almost saying it with joy.

The fact that you see this in such a black and white matter is extremely telling.

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Oh no.

Anyway.

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TommyG663513 posted...

It's really weird how many people seem to really get off when calling her a terrorist. Like damn get a grip.

I ask the same question again, why shouldn't she called a terrorist?

You did not answer, you just made some assumption about joy calling her one. It actually suggests you are just upset she is being called a terrorist.

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its ok to be a terrorist if you're white.

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She was trying to overthrow an election.

How is she not a terrorist, @TommyG663513

pls explain
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gunplagirl posted...

So anyways,

This is an excellent point
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I never said she wasn't a terrorist. Again, if you felt that was my point then you either need better reading comprehension or you think in very black and white terms.

I pointed out that people here seem super eager to call her a terrorist and people respond by using the word terrorist three times in a paragraph.

I generally don't like throwing around the word terrorist, because it can be a problematic word though technically it does fit in this instance.

I just think it is sad how eager people are to condemn Babbitt and even her family when clearly she was a huge victim of Trump's lies. Like at least shame the capitol rioters that still have their lives instead of her. Babbitt is gone and left behind a grieving family. Like have a little bit of decency.

But a lot of hard line leftists ITT are basically way more like Trump supporters than they'd care to admit and love cheering on their side and also don't like having consistency in their opinions.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

nor will he

@DuranOfForcena

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Umbreon posted...

All she had to do was not commit an act of terrorism.

agreed but I guess she felt like one of the revolutionaries way back in history

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DuranOfForcena posted...

@TommyG663513

@DuranOfForcena

You got your response now go away and feel foolish

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TommyG663513 posted...

I never said she wasn't a terrorist. Again, if you felt that was my point then you either need better reading comprehension or you think in very black and white terms.

I pointed out that people here seem super eager to call her a terrorist and people respond by using the word terrorist three times in a paragraph.

I generally don't like throwing around the word terrorist, because it can be a problematic word though technically it does fit in this instance.

I just think it is sad how eager people are to condemn Babbitt and even her family when clearly she was a huge victim of Trump's lies. Like at least shame the capitol rioters that still have their lives instead of her. Babbitt is gone and left behind a grieving family. Like have a little bit of decency.

But a lot of hard line leftists ITT are basically way more like Trump supporters than they'd care to admit and love cheering on their side and also don't like having consistency in their opinions.

"Both sides!"

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DuranOfForcena posted...

it is entirely and utterly pointless to try and be reasonable with people who have an irrational view of reality

This.

This applies to anyone who identifies as a MAGA, anti vaxxers, election fraud dummies etc.

There's no reasonable or intelligent discussion to be had, and there's no reason even be respectful to them at this point.

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@TommyG663513
Ashley Babbitt was a neonazi and a racist too.

Retweeted a tweet with a black lives don't matter hashtag.

She should be a lesson to people. Don't want to be viewed as a terrorist? Then stay home and don't join in on an insurrection attempt spurred on by a sore loser.

TommyG663513 posted...

I just think it is sad how eager people are to condemn Babbitt and even her family when clearly she was a huge victim of Trump's lies. Like at least shame the capitol rioters that still have their lives instead of her. Babbitt is gone and left behind a grieving family. Like have a little bit of decency.

She tried to overthrow a legitimate election and her family is trying to say she didnt.

Fuck off, she deserved what happened to her. Id say the same if the parties were flipped. Dont try to charge the Capitol because you dont like the outcome of an election.
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TommyG663513 posted...

Like at least shame the capitol rioters that still have their lives instead of her.

nobody's trying to lionize them because they can and will still scream racial epithets if a microphone is put in front of them

babbitt is being lionized by republicans because, as a dead racist, she is unable to further embarrass those trying to use her for political gain

and we're just making sure everyone remembers that what she's already said was embarrassing enough

we have nothing against her family though

and it's good that you agree that factually she was a terrorist.

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The fact that She is a terrorist who not only attempted to overthow a government, but marched and chanted along side people who wanted to kill politicians....and this country is having a debate because "she was a hero to some" says it all...

Imagine if people had said Bin Laden or another domestic muslim terrorist was a hero to them. People would shut that down quick and rightfully so...so why are we defending this idiot? She was a terrorist who was attempting to break into the capital and hurt people...stop looking for loopholes and just call it like it is. Her skin color and country of origin should not change a damn thing. Anyone calling her a hero should be shamed and anyone defending her family should as well.

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GreatGoomba posted...

"Both sides!"

I'm very much a leftist so good try on using a bad faith argument

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ButteryMales posted...

@TommyG663513
Ashley Babbitt was a neonazi and a racist too.

Retweeted a tweet with a black lives don't matter hashtag.

Yeah she wasn't a very good person, but she was also a victim of Trump's lies on top of that. Anyone who believed Trump's lies was a victim in a sense though they definitely were not a victim in every sense. In most senses they were perpetrators.

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Stop painting people as victims, she believed nonsense and died for it I'd call any religious terrorist a terrorist too

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TommyG663513 posted...

I'm very much a leftist so good try on using a bad faith argument

That was an accurate summary of your post. Bernie Sanders is left too but actually center.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

She tried to overthrow a legitimate election and her family is trying to say she didnt.

Fuck off, she deserved what happened to her. Id say the same if the parties were flipped. Dont try to charge the Capitol because you dont like the outcome of an election.

Problem is she was told it wasn't legitimate by people she trusted who were in major authority positions.

Labeling things as terrorism does get a little murky when the head of the country is telling you that he supports you

And yeah I'm not gonna say I agree with everything her family has done. I just feel bad for them and that is it.

You telling me to fuck off is completely uncalled for and devoid of any class

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yeah she wasn't a very good person, but she was also a victim of Trump's lies on top of that. Anyone who believed Trump's lies was a victim in a sense though they definitely were not a victim in every sense. In most senses they were perpetrators.

I mean...the same can be said for nearly all terrorists. Most people in terrorists groups are technically victims of rhetoric, but are you gonna feel sympathy for them? of course not...Babbitt is no different.

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ButteryMales posted...

That was an accurate summary of your post. Bernie Sanders is left too but actually center.

I'm nowhere near what the United States considers center. I'm a full on socialist dude. What you label as "both sides" is my also holding some of the establishment left accountable. I may agree with them way more politically, but I'm not gonna blindly wave my left wing flag at any and all action my side takes.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Problem is she was told it wasn't legitimate by people she trusted who were in major authority positions.

And all terrorists are told "those people are bad" and other things that aren't legitimate by people they trusted. Her being stupid enough to believe it to the point at attempting to murder politicians isn't a defense for her. She wasn't a victim...stop this nonsense.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

I mean...the same can be said for nearly all terrorists. Most people in terrorists groups are technically victims of rhetoric, but are you gonna feel sympathy for them? of course not...Babbitt is no different.

I definitely feel sympathy for a lot of people who get recruited into terrorism, because they are mostly vulnerable groups.

Of course of they commit violent acts then justice should be served and all that, but I can both want them to be held accountable and feel sorry for them.

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TommyG663513 posted...

but I can both want them to be held accountable and feel sorry for them.

which is fine, but once they do that they're not victims. You seem to be taking offense with people not feeling sympathy for her and calling her a terrorist, but would you feel the same way about those people who flew airplanes into the towers 20 years ago? and before you say "she didn't do anything like that"...yea because she was stopped before she could. she WANTED to.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I'm nowhere near what the United States considers center. I'm a full on socialist dude. What you label as "both sides" is my also holding some of the establishment left accountable. I may agree with them way more politically, but I'm not gonna blindly wave my left wing flag at any and all action my side takes.

Bernie Sanders is nowhere near what the United States considers center. He's socialist dude.

Now I'm wondering where establishment left came from. There's nothing hinting at establishment left in the post. What politician came out and gloated about Ashley Babbitt's death?

TommyG663513 posted...

I never said she wasn't a terrorist. Again, if you felt that was my point then you either need better reading comprehension or you think in very black and white terms.

I pointed out that people here seem super eager to call her a terrorist and people respond by using the word terrorist three times in a paragraph.

So it's just you getting butthurt that a white woman is being called a terrorist then.

She pushed her way into the Capitol alongside a crowd of people who were chanting to hang the vice president, and vandalized the building all for the purpose of overturning the election. Terrorist.

You not liking to call her one, doesn't mean everyone is saying it with glee. You simply just don't like the exposure of a white woman being called for what it was. It's the same shtick we usually see when a white terrorist does something.

"What they did was bad buuuuut we shouldn't call them the T word, and we need to feel sorry for them and their hardships that brought them to do such a bad act "

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TheVipaGTS posted...

which is fine, but once they do that they're not victims. You seem to be taking offense with people not feeling sympathy for her and calling her a terrorist, but would you feel the same way about those people who flew airplanes into the towers 20 years ago? and before you say "she didn't do anything like that"...yea because she was stopped before she could. she WANTED to.

I'm not taking offense to people calling her a terrorist. There is a difference between factually calling someone a terrorist and using the word terrorist five different times in your post to describe her. It's like I get it lol

And yeah good example.om the 9/11 hijackers. I do feel sorry for them in the sense that they weren't exactly sending out Bin Laden to carry out the act. Those hijackers were pawns just there to be used by the people above them. And yeah they also did something pretty evil.

Again, you are allowed to both feel sympathy for someone and feel they should be held accountable for their actions

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ButteryMales posted...

Bernie Sanders is nowhere near what the United States considers center. He's socialist dude.

Now I'm wondering where establishment left came from. There's nothing hinting at establishment left in the post. What politician came out and gloated about Ashley Babbitt's death?

I'm speaking of people ITT who align more with establishment left than progressive left.

I'm well aware Bernie Sanders is very much on the left of any political spectrum especially in the US. What is your point? I'm nowhere near the center politically so attempting to label me as a both sides type is just factually wrong.

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NatsuSama posted...

So it's just you getting butthurt that a white woman is being called a terrorist then.

She pushed her way into the Capitol alongside a crowd of people who were chanting to hang the vice president, and vandalized the building all for the purpose of overturning the election. Terrorist.

You not liking to call her one, doesn't mean everyone is saying it with glee. You simply just don't like the exposure of a white woman being called for what it was. It's the same shtick we usually see when a white terrorist does something.

"What they did was bad buuuuut we shouldn't call them the T word, and we need to feel sorry for them and their hardships that brought them to do such a bad act "

No I'm trying to point out a lesson here people learned about Muslims post 9/11 that isn't being afforded to others.

There is almost always some other tension behind calling someone a terrorist.

Remember all the angry white guys who threw the term terrorist around post 9/11? They sounded a little eager to call people terrorists didn't they? That is what a lot of liberals sound like these days. Especially when you see many prominent left wing political figures talk of white men as the greatest terrorist threat to this country. Like damn people don't even try to hide this stuff.

Maybe try to avoid the term terrorist when you can should be the general lesson. It is a very loaded and problematic word.

Did anyone see Sam Wilson's speech at the end of Falcon and the Winter Soldier? There is a lot of truth to that speech and his criticism of the term terrorist.

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I was told by the Right that it was an Antifa mob invading the capital. So she was an Antifa terrorist scum, not a patriotic Trump supporter.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I'm speaking of people ITT who align more with establishment left than progressive left.

How do you know where they align? This is so hypocritical after you misread "both sides" as an assumption of your alignment.

TommyG663513 posted...

I'm well aware Bernie Sanders is very much on the left of any political spectrum especially in the US. What is your point? I'm nowhere near the center politically so attempting to label me as a both sides type is just factually wrong.

ButteryMales posted...

Bernie Sanders is left too but actually center.

ButteryMales posted...

How do you know where they align? This is so hypocritical after you misread "both sides" as an assumption of your alignment.

Do you have any idea wtf you are even talking about?

Posters ITT are not all a bunch of random people I've never interacted with before. Many of them are in fact establishment left types rather than progressives. I know this because I've seen their arguments stated many times in the past.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Do you have any idea wtf you are even talking about?

Posters ITT are not all a bunch of random people I've never interacted with before. Many of them are in fact establishment left types rather than progressives. I know this because I've seen their arguments stated many times in the past.

Ruvan22
CADE_FOSTER
DuranOfForcena
CableZL
Maddendude--
Natsusama
VipaGTS

Are all establishment left?

What do you think I am?

Ashli seemed mentally ill. In the video she posted before going to the Capitol she was critical of Republicans and Democrats. Its hard to say how much she bought into Trump. Its more likely that her mental illness left her impressionable to the media blitz of disinformation that the Trump campaign was creating. In some ways, she was a victim.

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TommyG663513 posted...

No I'm trying to point out a lesson here people learned about Muslims post 9/11 that isn't being afforded to others.

There is almost always some other tension behind calling someone a terrorist.

Remember all the angry white guys who threw the term terrorist around post 9/11? They sounded a little eager to call people terrorists didn't they? That is what a lot of liberals sound like these days. Especially when you see many prominent left wing political figures talk of white men as the greatest terrorist threat to this country. Like damn people don't even try to hide this stuff.

Maybe try to avoid the term terrorist when you can should be the general lesson. It is a very loaded and problematic word.

No, because you are purposely trying conflate two different things into one.
The Muslims who caused 9/11 were rightfully ostracized and called terrorist. They are still to this day called terrorist.

You are trying to wrap in innocent Muslims who are called terrorist and trying to play a sympathy comparison to this white woman who is a terrorist. The two don't compare.

For starters I'm not left wing. And your argument uses the white victim complex card to try to argue we should be sympathetic when a white terrorist commits terrorism. White people as a race are not being prosecuted as terrorist. It's not assumed because you are white you're a terrorist. You're just playing the victim card thats always played when the terrorist happens to not be a black or brown muslim.

There's no "tension" beyond the fact that this white woman is a terrorist and people like you go through a mental gymnastics to defend it with rhetoric similar to:

"What they did was bad buuuuut we shouldn't call them the T word, and we need to feel sorry for them and their mental hardships that brought them to do such a bad act ."

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