Current Events > The Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.

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The reason why Nazis adopted the socialist name was merely because socialism was popular at that time in Germany, and the Nazi party was a populist movement

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Few more notes, just highlights on economic control.

Fascism desires the State to be strong and organic, based on broad foundations of popular support. The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporative, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organized in their respective associations, circulate within the State.A State based on millions of individuals who recognize its authority, feel its action, and are ready to serve its ends is not the tyrannical state of a mediaeval lordling. It has nothing in common with the despotic States existing prior to or subsequent to 1789. Far from crushing the individual, the FascistStatemultiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers.

Later, however...

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but it leaves the individual adequate elbow room. It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential. In such matters the individual cannot be the judge, but the State only.

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In a different timeline Germany could have gone Communist . Before Hitler took over there was a Communist party in Germany that had a shot at taking power. Hitler banned them as soon as he took over. He hated Communists

On individual liberty in the fascist state

The rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist Statea synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people

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Samurontai posted...

They might have had some semblance of a left when it came to economics, but just about everything else just wasnt left in any way shape or form

You know, I even said that to the other guy who failed to read the text below in that post, didn't I?

scar the 1 posted...

You're coming off as really credible

Thanks. Marxism is a brain disease.

Zikten posted...

In a different timeline Germany could have gone Communist .

They could have that's why it was banned. Communism should be banned. Socialism can work on some scales, but communism is just pure fantasy. When they say real communism has never been tried, that's because it's impossible. It devolves into a socialist totalitarianism by it's nature.

I love how is always the libs who complain about losing power, yet also continue to alternate progressives and compromise with conservatives.

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ZMythos posted...

I love how is always the libs who complain about losing power, yet also continue to alternate progressives and compromise with conservatives.

it's always "the left" that's to blame for liberals' loss of power. never has anything to do with their own incompetence, no sirree

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Kegran posted...

You know, I even said that to the other guy who failed to read the text below in that post, didn't I?

I honestly didnt see that, my bad

averagejoel posted...

it's always "the left" that's to blame for liberals' loss of power. never has anything to do with their own incompetence, no sirree

Imagine being this naive like lol

Lefties are a cancer to the democrat party

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Samurontai posted...

Imagine being this naive like lol

Lefties are a cancer to the democrat party

I mean, this particular situation is literally C trying to force market rents through even though 1. V promised at the beginning of J that they would not tolerate it and 2. the proposal not supported among voters of any party but yeah sure

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wait, it's C that wanna do this?

i was under the impression this was an S policy, hence why they're trying to kick out Lfven

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ROBANN_88 posted...

wait, it's C that wanna do this?

i was under the impression this was an S policy, hence why they're trying to kick out Lfven

It's C who is demanding it as part of the JK. The S govt are doing it despite their platform being against it, with the justification that "it would be even worse if a right wing coalition did it". A lot of S grassroots are really pissed about it and actually happy that V are doing what they can to block it.

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scar the 1 posted...

"it would be even worse if a right wing coalition did it"

sounds like some kind of "you can't fire me, i quit" thinking

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You ever notice how Russia keeps exporting far right wing governments to other countries.

Its not because theyre more sympathetic to Russians, even though they are.

Its because theyre easily wound up over dumb issues, mostly comprised of neophytes with zero political experience, and prone to making dangerous, self-destructive choices.

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ROBANN_88 posted...

sounds like some kind of "you can't fire me, i quit" thinking

It's somehow always V's fault that S can't manage to stay in power, as if they didn't themselves play any part in the votes they've lost in several elections in a row.

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Chad-Henne posted...

things liberals tell themselves so they can sleep at night

Gwynevere posted...

Bad take, imo

lol truth hurts I guess

imagine letting a right-wing government into power because you don't want to stop supporting a terrible policy like rent control lmao

Broseph_Stalin posted...

lol truth hurts I guess

imagine letting a right-wing government into power because you don't want to stop supporting a terrible policy like rent control lmao

listen i think your gimmick is hilarious and i wish i thought of it first but this one was a little too on the nose, even for you

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just say you don't have an argument it's easier

c'mon give us a show, clown

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maybe if i just keep posting no one will realize I have no argument and I'm literally defending leftist letting a right-wing party into power because they support a policy that everyone agrees is bad!

C-

I've seen you do better

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you're still posting btw

this performance does raise a good point-- people who don't recognize this situation as (like always) the center supporting a bad and exploitative position, the right supporting that same position but even more exploitative, and the left opposing the position completely; with the center threatening the rise of the right because of their disagreement with the left, like a rabid dog they can unleash at any time if you don't support their constant "lesser of two evils" position--

you believe all the same things as an embarrassing militant centrist. this man is a mirror for liberals

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and that's why i appreciate you, broseph

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Chad-Henne posted...

people who don't recognize this situation as (like always) the center supporting a bad and exploitative position,

it's the leftist who are supporting price controls, not the centrist

learn to read

see his character's brain is wired the completely wrong way. he's saying "yeah this is you, liberals" and i think it's fantastic

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fyi you don't need this many post to say "I support handing the election to a right-wing party because of an objectively terrible policy I support"

i already covered this, broseph

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and I already told you it's the leftist in this situation who are the ones supporting the bad policy

this isn't a "lesser of two evils" situation at all

Samurontai posted...

Imagine being this naive like lol

Lefties are a cancer to the democrat party

the democratic party is its own cancer lol

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Samurontai posted...

Hes right though

Not really

Blaming leftists for the success of right wing ideology is something liberals do to take the heat off themselves for their ineptitude.

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Gwynevere posted...

Blaming leftists for the success of right wing ideology is something liberals do to take the heat off themselves for their ineptitude.

I'm begging you guys to actually read the OP.

So now the government fell. I don't have very high hopes that they'll be able to get back up. BL, do you know if MP+S+C+V have enough seats, in the off chance they drop article 44?

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LepartialJury posted...

So this guy turned out to be a homophobe and got suspended.

I for one am shocked that the "nazis were socialists" guy turned out to have other questionable political takes.

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scar the 1 posted...

So now the government fell. I

Out of all the things that could have done it, i never thought it would be an argument about rent control that would topple them

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The government has been toppled, and the left recommends... the man they toppled to be the new PM?
Is this comedy?

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Leftists need to be more fucking pragmatic, and that sometimes requires swallowing one's own pride.

Thompson posted...

The government has been toppled, and the left recommends... the man they toppled to be the new PM?
Is this comedy?

They've been clear from the beginning that this is about one issue and one issue only: Market rents. If the current constellation abandons that particular idea (out of an agenda with 73 liberal reforms of various magnitude), they'll let the govt govern. Meanwhile S and C want market rents so bad that they would rather the govt fall than back down.

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I don't understand what it is about this rent reform that they're willing to die on this hill

Especially considering S were against market rent in 2018


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Humble_Novice posted...

Leftists need to be more fucking pragmatic, and that sometimes requires swallowing one's own pride.

libs should not count on assistance from the left if they don't include policies that the left wants

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ROBANN_88 posted...

I don't understand what it is about this rent reform that they're willing to die on this hill

Especially considering S were against market rent in 2018

I don't think it's just this, but Magdalena Andersson already wrote in some application for funds to the EU commission that part of Sweden's "recovery plan" after covid was these market rents in new apartments:
https://twitter.com/KarlssonMax/status/1406943233847042056
Link to the entire plan: https://www.regeringen.se/49bfc1/contentassets/dad10f1743b64c78a1c5b2d71f81a6eb/sveriges-aterhamtningsplan.pdf
I can appreciate that S are stuck between a rock and a hard place. C would probably have done what V are now doing if they didn't try to push this through. It's C that are the real "enigma" here. around 25%-30% of C's voters are actually in favor of market rents, yet mysteriously they still want to push this through at all costs. I wonder why?

Humble_Novice posted...

Leftists need to be more fucking pragmatic, and that sometimes requires swallowing one's own pride.

V allowing this govt in the first place is fucking pragmatic, considering it's an S government enacting L and C politics

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This topic went to so many places. Jesus.

Anyway, to the actual issue. I just woke up from a nap so Im a bit foggy in my head but bear with me. S still doesnt support market rental but C, L, MP, M and KD do. The 73 points which make up JK are a mix of Socialdemocratic, Green and Liberal policies. It took 4 months, as my fellow Swedes know, to form a new Government after the 2018 election and it usually takes less than 20 days. The basis for the solution to this straining process are the 73 points. If any of the 4 parties (S, MP, C or L) now object to 1 of those points then the entire agreement falls. All 4 parties are thus eager to keep what they promised in January 2019 in order to be responsible. S, MP, C and L all had victories and compromises when the JK was formed. For S, since 5 outta 8 parties in Riksdagen support market rental, it was a small victory to limit it to new buildings. C and L could also tout it as a victory since it was more than nothing. The biggest problem in a sense is that our politicians, and many voters, in several parties, dont wanna accept that we have a very special situation in Riksdagen after 2018 where no one is close to their own majority. Not even S and M together have majority which is a new reality. S and M shouldnt govern together and they wont govern together unless There is War but this means that smaller parties like V and C get disproportionate influence since they are needed to get a majority.

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BalanceLost posted...

it was a small victory to limit it to new buildings

Not sure I'd call it even that, considering that any apartment that was "majorly renovated", as well as any apartment formed by using up new space like attics, counts as new in the SOU.

As for speculation time, I would consider it quite likely that S loses votes to V after all this. I'm pretty unsure how it will affect C votes. The rest I expect to more or less follow contemporary polling. This is why I'm thinking that a new election isn't necessarily what a lot of people want. Heck, I think even SD/M/KD don't want it, because they aren't very likely to rise in popular opinion after one year of governing. What's your guess?

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scar the 1 posted...

Not sure I'd call it even that, considering that any apartment that was "majorly renovated", as well as any apartment formed by using up new space like attics, counts as new in the SOU.

As for speculation time, I would consider it quite likely that S loses votes to V after all this. I'm pretty unsure how it will affect C votes. The rest I expect to more or less follow contemporary polling. This is why I'm thinking that a new election isn't necessarily what a lot of people want. Heck, I think even SD/M/KD don't want it, because they aren't very likely to rise in popular opinion after one year of governing. What's your guess?

A SOU is a SOU and a bill is a bill though. The actual bills are often changed in different ways in order to pass through Riksdagen. We dont need to look further than the new LAS where the end result is fairly different from the SOU :)

Maybe, but the polling done also indicate that most voters dont want this chaos with either new Speaker rounds or an extra election so V could get hurt if pinned with the blame. It is a gamble for them. We agree that most parties dont seem to want an extra election right now. L, MP and KD are all in danger and the others will either remain the same or sustain damage by the proper election in 2022 as a cause of the extra election.

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BalanceLost posted...

A SOU is a SOU and a bill is a bill though. The actual bills are often changed in different ways in order to pass through Riksdagen. We dont need to look further than the new LAS where the end result is fairly different from the SOU :)

True. But I respect the point that V is making, namely that if they waited for the bill, it would be too close to the regular election for the right-wing parties to bother with the misstroende in the first place. And hey, Lfvn even stated in his "offer" that if the parties can't reach a deal, they would go with the SOU line. Either way, I can see your point, it's just that I'm a bit too cynical to consider that even a small win for S.

And yeah, a lot rests on V not getting pinned with the blame. ...which pretty much all the big media outlets are attempting at the moment.

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scar the 1 posted...

True. But I respect the point that V is making, namely that if they waited for the bill, it would be too close to the regular election for the right-wing parties to bother with the misstroende in the first place. And hey, Lfvn even stated in his "offer" that if the parties can't reach a deal, they would go with the SOU line. Either way, I can see your point, it's just that I'm a bit too cynical to consider that even a small win for S.

And yeah, a lot rests on V not getting pinned with the blame. ...which pretty much all the big media outlets are attempting at the moment.

That is of course a risk, that a bad bill could have passed if it was close to September 2022.

I just wish we could get to know the way forward now. An extra election is feeling most likely due to C digging their heels in and L declaring JK dead.

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That last one >_____>;;



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BalanceLost posted...

That last one >_____>;;

Lol
If S are going to run on a platform of "we're not SD", they're in for a world of hurt.

Also C's latest talking point is bugging me so much. "We're the party who are willing to cooperate with the most parties" at the same time as "let's focus on sakpolitik".

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