Current Events > The Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.

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The Far-Left party dislikes a proposal about market rent which the Center-Left Government is working on after demands from the Governments two budget partners the Liberals and the Neoliberals.

The Far-Left said they would call for a vote of no confidence in Prime-minister Lfven if the Government doesnt toss out the proposal.

The Nationalists are taking this opportunity to join in the call for a vote of no confidence and the Conservatives and Christian Democrats are likely to vote against the PM if a vote is held.

A likely scenario of this is a Right-wing Government consisting of the Conservatives and the Christian Democrats in a partnership with the Nationalists.

Next year is election year but the PM has the power to call for an extra election if voted down in a vote of no confidence.

So the Far-Left might enable the ascent of a Government they dislike much more than the current one and where the Conservatives and Christian Democrats support a much more severe market rent option than the current proposal. A total mess.

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One thing you can guarantee in life is the left biting each others feet.

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ColdOne666 posted...

One thing you can guarantee in life is the left biting each others feet.

Here it is usually the Right which bites each other but now it is the opposite.

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I thought covid killed Sweden. I haven't heard about them in a year

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

I thought covid killed Sweden. I haven't heard about them in a year

After we dropped from 7th place to 35th in terms of deaths per capita foreign media just stopped writing about us it seems.

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The far left being inept politically and enabling the rise of the far right because of it is historically very on brand tbh

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Why is it that every time people bring up the far left doing something very specific that isnt known by many that there is always zero sources that go along with it?

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Doom_Art posted...

The far left being inept politically and enabling the rise of the far right because of it is historically very on brand tbh

It is very unfortunate.

DepreceV2 posted...

Why is it that every time people bring up the far left doing something very specific that isnt known by many that there is always zero sources that go along with it?

There are tons of sources for this but they are in Swedish.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/pA7mmE/v-gar-vidare-for-att-falla-regeringen

Just in: the Conservatives and the Christian Democrats join the Far-Left and the Far-Right in calling for a vote of no confidence.

The Speaker of Riksdagen announce the vote will be held on Monday at 10:00.


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BalanceLost posted...

After we dropped from 7th place to 35th in terms of deaths per capita foreign media just stopped writing about us it seems.

You were only up to 7? I thought y'all were world champs for a few months and your hospitals turned into Workd War Z


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That sounds like the center-left is giving Sweden a right-wing government.

Drop the fuckin proposal. If they're the ones in power, losing that power is 100% their fault.
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The Far-Left might give Sweden a Right-wing Government.

There's hope for that country yet.

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

You were only up to 7? I thought y'all were world champs for a few months and your hospitals turned into Workd War Z

That is the way it sounded in foreign media, yes. A majority of the deaths happened in nursing homes so our hospitals, while under huge stress of course, didnt descend into chaos like in Italy etc. I think that our 8 parties agreeing to not implement total lockdown is what triggered many media outlets which were campaigning for lockdowns in their own countries. Our politicians should have done several things differently for sure but there was an exaggerated media narrative. The biggest thing our politicians should have done is something they should have done before the pandemic even happened: fixing problems in our elderly care. If those problems hadnt existed our death toll would have been much lower :/

Graycap posted...

That sounds like the center-left is giving Sweden a right-wing government.

Drop the fuckin proposal. If they're the ones in power, losing that power is 100% their fault.

It is more complex than that.

There is strong support in Riksdagen for a more extreme form of market rental than what the Center-Left Government is proposing. When the two Government parties, the Socialdemocrats and the Green party, signed their budget partnership with the two Liberal parties back in January 2019 implementation of market rental was one of the Liberal victories. The Government parties have since then managed to reach a compromise on the issue which is more tame. This compromise is what the Far-Left object to since they dislike the notion all together (which I do agree with). The result now however is likely that the more extreme version of market rental will be the new normal instead of the watered down compromise which exempted all rental objects which currently exist and just would apply to new rental buildings.

If the Government had thrown out the proposal then they would have violated their agreement with the two Liberal parties and thus a Government crisis would happen anyway since the two Liberal parties would withdraw support from the Governments budget. If the budget has a majority against it the Government falls.

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We have a parliamentary situation where partnership between several parties is needed to govern and that means that no single party gets everything they want.

175 seats is needed for majority but the largest party (Socdems) hold 100 seats while the 2nd largest (Conservatives) hold 70 seats. So the two largest parties dont even have a majority together these days.

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Doom_Art posted...

The far left being inept politically and enabling the rise of the far right because of it is historically very on brand tbh

things liberals tell themselves so they can sleep at night

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Well the right wing in Sweden is more left wing than the Democratic Party in the US so whats the big deal?

sarcasm

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Wtf is going on

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The Swiss architected their Executive Branch correctly by having the Swiss "Federal Council"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Council_(Switzerland)

No one person should have that much power.

A Executive Council of 9 seats with proportional representation for all candidates who run for each seat and varying Seat Term lengths would allow truly accurate representation.

You wouldn't have the Pendulum Swinging of one Person going into/out of power like a King.

That means every seat can have multiple party representatives from varying parties with 1.0 voting power.

This allows a more accurate representation in the Executive Branch which would need a majority/consensus vote to execute on certain issues / tasks / items.

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I should add that a vote of no confidence is our closest thing to US impeachment. It is something Riksdagen calls for when the PM or a member of the PMs Government is responsible for gross misconduct or a criminal offense. Disagreement on common policies is not proper cause for a VONC.

The Far-Left leader is now squirming like a worm on a hook. She is blaming all the other parties for the VONC she called for.

She is blaming the two Liberal parties for wanting the rental proposal.

She is blaming the two Government parties for supporting the proposal.

She is blaming the three Right-wing parties for supporting her VONC.

She is most likely so done after this. There are no signs the public support causing a Government crisis during a pandemic and on these particular grounds.

FF_Redux posted...

Wtf is going on

V vill avstta Lfven p grund av utredningen om fri hyressttning fr nyproduktion samtidigt som de inte vill att Kristersson blir statsminister. Riksdagen rster p mndag. M, KD och SD har sagt att de stdjer V:s misstroendevotum men de gr det ju fr att sjlva kunna bilda regering istllet.

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Chad-Henne posted...

things liberals tell themselves so they can sleep at night

but tepid centrisim is the way *helps the right kill every left wing movement in the country for a century and then completely fails to have more than one sitting president in a row forevermore*

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Doom_Art posted...

The far left being inept politically and enabling the rise of the far right because of it is historically very on brand tbh

Bad take, imo

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I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The right wing still don't have a majority, right? At most, the Far Left would be handing us an extra election. Even so, they're doing what they ran on doing and what their voters want them to, in this case stopping market rents. I feel like a lot of V voters and a fair bit of S voters are actually happy with Dadgostar's actions.

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scar the 1 posted...

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The right wing still don't have a majority, right? At most, the Far Left would be handing us an extra election. Even so, they're doing what they ran on doing and what their voters want them to, in this case stopping market rents. I feel like a lot of V voters and a fair bit of S voters are actually happy with Dadgostar's actions.

The Far-Left has set in motion a vote of no confidence which will lead to two options if passed on Monday: an extra election or the Government resigning. The first option will benefit the Right-wing parties based on current polling and traditional voting patterns (usually lower turnout than during regular elections and it is usually Left-leaning voters who stay home during extra elections according to experts). Even if turnout is good polling indicate a Right-wing majority since the Greens and the Libs struggle to get 4% right now. The second option mean new talmansrundor which can lead to anything. And we will have a severely crippled temporary Government in place until a new one is elected. A so called expeditionsministr is not what we need right now due to covid and economic start-up since it will be so powerless. How this move will stop fri hyressttning fr nyproduktion is most unclear.

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How Right is the Swedish Far Fight? Are they as bad as Trumpers? Or would they be considered more liberal than American Republicans? I know in Europe what is considered Conservative is still usually Liberal by American standards. Or that's what I've been told

Zikten posted...

How Right is the Swedish Far Fight? Are they as bad as Trumpers? Or would they be considered more liberal than American Republicans? I know in Europe what is considered Conservative is still usually Liberal by American standards. Or that's what I've been told

The Swedish far right party the Sweden Democrats was founded by neo-nazis as an explicit intention to be a palatable, civil front. Quite recently the party leader tweeted "we will never forget about our roots", which is quite different from how he usually has tried to downplay their roots. They're getting bolder every day.

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Zikten posted...

How Right is the Swedish Far Fight? Are they as bad as Trumpers? Or would they be considered more liberal than American Republicans? I know in Europe what is considered Conservative is still usually Liberal by American standards. Or that's what I've been told

Im honestly quite scared of the Far Right. Imagine extreme Trumpers but more polished with tidy hair and simple but elegant suits. The party was founded in 1988 by a man named Gustaf Engstrm who moved to Germany during WW2 in order to serve Hitler. Engstrm was an SS-officer. For some reason he never stood trial and lived in Germany for decades after the war. He moved back home to Sweden and founded the party before dying. The current party leader, Jimmie kesson, joined the party in 1995 when it still was openly Neo-Nazi. Several of his closest people are pals of his since then.

The party has a cleaner surface since entering Riksdagen in 2010 and most who vote for them are not Neo-Nazis but the core of the party is so rotten. They talked about inherited essence as late as 2019. People with different inherited essence should not live in Sweden. One of their high ranking members openly say that you cannot call yourself both Jewish and Swedish. They oppose same-sex marriage and adoptions, insemination for single women or women in a same-sex relationship. They wanna limit abortion. They wanna bring back an archaic taxation practice which made it economically negative for women in a relationship to have a job and combine that with a special monthly housewife payment for mothers (not immigrant mothers of course).

Immigration was too generous 2006-2015 and that is what the Far-Right is using to gain voters.

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Another thing to note about the Swedish far right is that they don't have any principles whatsoever. They'll spin on a fucking dime on any issue if it means they can get some piece of anti-immigrant legislation through. Famously they did that with their school politics, going overnight from advocating a state-controlled solution to literally letting private industry interest group write legislation proposals. The only principle they have is that they won't work with the left. Which isn't completely unlike their nazi role models.

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scar the 1 posted...

Another thing to note about the Swedish far right is that they don't have any principles whatsoever. They'll spin on a fucking dime on any issue

unlike sossarna who would never do that...

except for the times that they did

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Doesn't Sweden already have an issue with far right extremists and nazi sympathizers?

ROBANN_88 posted...

unlike sossarna who would never do that...

except for the times that they did

Difference is that s are steadily losing votes for it. But yeah it's a secret to nobody that they've been doing c politics for years now. That's why we're in this mess.

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scar the 1 posted...

But yeah it's a secret to nobody that they've been doing c politics for years now. That's why we're in this mess.

i was thinking more about how they are now doing old SD politics that they called "abhorrent" years ago, and in this specific case, there's this thing where they had the exact opposite position a few years ago

https://www.socialdemokraterna.se/nyheter/nyheter/2018-06-25-nej-till-moderaternas-hyreschock#0
and
https://twitter.com/Satirombudet/status/1405661282674565120

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RadiantJoyrock posted...

Doesn't Sweden already have an issue with far right extremists and nazi sympathizers?

No. They have issues with immigration and grenade attacks. The idea that the so-called far right party in Sweden is even right wing is kind of funny though.

ROBANN_88 posted...

i was thinking more about how they are now doing old SD politics that they called "abhorrent" years ago, and in this specific case, there's this thing where they had the exact opposite position a few years ago

I mean I completely agree with you. The top levels of S have been turncoats for a couple decades now, and the grass roots are getting more and more pissed off about it, resulting in worse election results every time.

Kegran posted...

No. They have issues with immigration and grenade attacks. The idea that the so-called far right party in Sweden is even right wing is kind of funny though.

They were literally founded by Nazis, and the current leadership joined when the party still marched in the streets dressed in Nazi cosplay shit. BL detailed a bunch of other entirely true things as well. Like with all fascistoid groups, they don't necessarily fit on the right-left spectrum since they'll opportunistically support whatever they want to reach their goal. But they're currently allied with the two most conservative parties in parliament, so far right isn't inaccurate.

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We are talking about the Sweden Democrats though, correct? They support every left wing cause ever except immigration, which is a good thing. Maybe if they come to power they can reduce those grenade attacks.

So I'm not as familiar with the workings of Sweden's politics. Is their far right like actual Neo-Nazis like the French far right or the American Alt-Right?

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Gwynevere posted...

Bad take, imo

Hes right though

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So I'm not as familiar with the workings of Sweden's politics. Is their far right like actual Neo-Nazis like the French far right or the American Alt-Right?

in the past maybe
not really today

you'd never see them marching on the Riksdag like the Americans did

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So I'm not as familiar with the workings of Sweden's politics. Is their far right like actual Neo-Nazis like the French far right or the American Alt-Right?

That's a question that requires a lot of knowledge on your part that isn't conventional. Nazis were left wing socialists who built a national economy focused on people out of the post WWI rubble that remained in Germany. In that way they are similar as are all Swedish parties. The only place they differ is on their immigration stance.

The American neo-nazis are an offshoot of the KKK that adopted only the right wing racial aspects of Nazism. The alt-right is a media rebrand of the same exact thing. However, the alt-right is used in a broader scope than neo-nazi by the media.

ScazarMeltex posted...

So I'm not as familiar with the workings of Sweden's politics. Is their far right like actual Neo-Nazis like the French far right or the American Alt-Right?

The political party, like I mentioned earlier, functions as a cleaned up front behind which the more violent and obvious elements can hide with plausible deniability.

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ColdOne666 posted...

One thing you can guarantee in life is the left biting each others feet.

There is a reason why the symbol of the far left/progressives is a snake eating its own tail. Or as Obama pointed out, a circular firing squad.

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Kegran posted...

Nazis were left wing socialists

Not even close to correct.

Nazis favored private property.

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Samurontai posted...

Nazis favored private property.

Ok we're getting dangerously close to someone asking to define socialism here. However, in most cases personal property is acceptable under socialism. Communism on the other hand doesn't allow private property.

If the Nazis were leftists, then why did they hate Communist Russia but allied with Fascist Italy?

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Kegran posted...

That's a question that requires a lot of knowledge on your part that isn't conventional. Nazis were left wing socialists who built a national economy focused on people out of the post WWI rubble that remained in Germany. In that way they are similar as are all Swedish parties. The only place they differ is on their immigration stance.

The American neo-nazis are an offshoot of the KKK that adopted only the right wing racial aspects of Nazism. The alt-right is a media rebrand of the same exact thing. However, the alt-right is used in a broader scope than neo-nazi by the media.

Holy shit, I haven't seen a "nazis were socialists" smooth brained take in a long time. Just because they have socialist in their name doesn't make their ideology socialist. They did not advocate for worker control of the means of production ( the core tenet of Socialism) and immediately destroyed all of the unions in the country. Fuck off with this dishonest shit.

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Kegran posted...

Nazis were left wing socialists

I haven't heard that on CE since Mal_Fet ran rampant. Brings me back, what a blast from the past.

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Thompson posted...

If the Nazis were leftists, then why did they hate Communist Russia but allied with Fascist Italy?

You do understand that there's economic left and social left and that socialism and communism are two different things correct? The Nazis were absolutely socially right wing just as the fascists were. Both were also utterly decimated by WWI.

Also, the Boshleviks were trying to destroy them using Marxism which is a brain disease.

Kegran posted...

Also, the Boshleviks were trying to destroy them using Marxism which is a brain disease.

You're coming off as really credible

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well, this topic certainly went places

ScazarMeltex posted...

Just because they have socialist in their name doesn't make their ideology socialist.

They sure expanded state control over businesses quite a bit for capitalists. But they did also privatize state industries so meh whatever. It definitely wasn't a strictly capitalist take on the economy.

Let's go to Il Duce himself

https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

A party governing a nation totalitarianly is a new departure in history.There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as the acquired facts of history;it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people.

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Kegran posted...

Ok we're getting dangerously close to someone asking to define socialism here. However, in most cases personal property is acceptable under socialism. Communism on the other hand doesn't allow private property.

Socialism doesnt allow for private property at all. Everything under socialism is publicly owned, theres really no other way to implement it.

They might have had some semblance of a left when it came to economics, but just about everything else just wasnt left in any way shape or form

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