Current Events > Just finished Breath of Fire 3 a few months ago and.... SPOILERS

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The Dragons should have defended themselves. Letting themselves get slaughtered was dumb as fuck. It didn't prove much of anything to the world and it let Myria won over the world for a LONG ass time.

Ryu wasn't a bad guy showing his true strength and defending himself.

@catboy

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I completely agree. I never understood why they never fought back.

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_MorningStar posted...

I completely agree. I never understood why they never fought back.

It was to show that they weren't evil and destructive even though they had the power to destroy the world. Dumb reason, though. They didn't have to get slaughtered to show that to the world.

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If they fought back they absolutely would have destroyed the world and therefore, proved Myria right.

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mario2000 posted...

If they fought back they absolutely would have destroyed the world and therefore, proved Myria right.

Ryu fought back and defended himself with his awesome Dragon powers. And instead of killing Garr, he spared his life. That's all the Dragons needed to do.

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Veggeta X posted...

Ryu fought back and defended himself with his awesome Dragon powers. And instead of killing Garr, he spared his life. That's all the Dragons needed to do.

yeah but how many innocent miners died?

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Ricemills posted...

yeah but how many innocent miners died?

That's when he was incoherent. A literal baby dragon.

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Veggeta X posted...

That's when he was incoherent. A literal baby dragon.

You think the world at large would have cared about that? A dragon killed innocent people. That's all the reason they would need to go to war with them.

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Veggeta X posted...

That's when he was incoherent. A literal baby dragon.

a baby dragon that kills people. it serves as a reminder that dragons are really destructive even when they didn't meant to.

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The world wasn't going to war with the dragons and the dragons weren't going around killing people. Ryu killing innocent people in the beginning wasn't a true result of what Myria is saying. It was just a new religious made up group in that era(by Myria of course) that simply made this claim.

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Ricemills posted...

a baby dragon that kills people. it serves as a reminder that dragons are really destructive even when they didn't meant to.

Okay Myria

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Veggeta X posted...

The world wasn't going to war with the dragons and the dragons weren't going around killing people. Ryu killing innocent people in the beginning wasn't a true result of what Myria is saying. It was just a new religious made up group in that era(by Myria of course) that simply made this claim.

It feels like you're bending over backwards to purposefully miss the point of the game's story.

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Veggeta X posted...

The world wasn't going to war with the dragons and the dragons weren't going around killing people. Ryu killing innocent people in the beginning wasn't a true result of what Myria is saying. It was just a new religious made up group in that era(by Myria of course) that simply made this claim.

She didn't really make it up, though. When the dragons did go to war back before the beginning of BOF1 over her power it did nearly destroy the world. The world started to make a recovery of course and that's when Zog & Jade started shit up again. She then grew kinda resentful over the dragons at being sealed away literally twice and started the war that drove them to near extinction but the stuff she said would happen in fact already happened twice.

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Veggeta X posted...

Okay Myria

reminder that the dragons themselves realized that they're dangerous and let themselves to be slaughtered.

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mario2000 posted...

It feels like you're bending over backwards to purposefully miss the point of the game's story.

The games story wasn't even about the dragons power. It was about the control of power.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

She didn't really make it up, though. When the dragons did go to war back before the beginning of BOF1 over her power it did nearly destroy the world. The world started to make a recovery of course and that's when Zog & Jade started shit up again. She then grew kinda resentful over the dragons at being sealed away literally twice and started the war that drove them to near extinction but the stuff she said would happen in fact already happened twice.

The dark dragons were all gone at the end. Evil dragons no more in fact they pretty much lived to prevent evil from then on.

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Veggeta X posted...

The dark dragons were all gone at the end. Evil dragons no more in fact they pretty much lived to prevent evil from then on.

Clearly not all of them since Fou-Lu comes back the following game.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Clearly not all of them since Fou-Lu comes back the following game.

I never played bof4 so you might be right but the point of bof3 was that the dragons were never bad and myria only made up that shit in order to kill them and to control the world.

Teepo was manipulated to believe his existence will destroy the world but Ryu believed he would not which was one of the plots.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Clearly not all of them since Fou-Lu comes back the following game.

BOF4 takes place before the rest of the series.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Clearly not all of them since Fou-Lu comes back the following game.

Depending on how you interpret the game, Fou Lou was dragged out of the BoF3 universe and into the BoF4 universe against his will, and bound to the will of his summoner. He only goes violently insane after he's resurrected and a bunch of awful shit happens to him. I wouldnt by any stretch call him "evil".

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Veggeta X posted...

I never played bof4 so you might be right but the point of bof3 was that the dragons were never bad and myria only made up that shit in order to kill them and to control the world.

She didn't really control the world though. Her plan was straight revenge. Garr was the only angel who stayed behind and there just wasn't any devotion to Myria the way she had it in BOF1 or the Church of Evan. In the end even she doubts herself.

BOF5 also confirms the world does eventually get destroyed but it's not clear if the dragons did it or not.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

She didn't really control the world though.

Yeah she did. She didn't really let humans progress so she sent junk from an ancient civilization slowly to the main human continent for them to make use of it. She gave power to black market leaders and such so they can keep things from being too peaceful either.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Garr was the only angel who stayed behind and there just wasn't any devotion to Myria the way she had it in BOF1 or the Church of Evan.

I believe this incarnation of Myria has come to a benevolent belief that she doesn't want to destroy the world anymore instead she wanted to nurture. After getting her revenge, she didn't want to destroy, she wanted to control it because she believed it was her sick way of protecting it.

Tyranthraxus posted...

In the end even she doubts herself.

Yes but only after her defeat. The whole moral of the story is power don't kill people, people kill people which brings me back to my main point; the dragons should have defended themselves.

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The whole moral of the story is power don't kill people, people kill people which brings me back to my main point; the dragons should have defended themselves.

Which would leave them as the only sapient life left in the world which is a pretty lonely and miserable existence.

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They were at war when the Brood were slaughtered, no? With how powerful the Brood were, I think its pretty easy to see how they couldve destroyed the world if they fought back in a war.

There's a difference between fighting back vs defending yourselves from a cult.

I think you guys might be misremembering that the world wasn't at war with the brood, it was only the Urkans who fought to kill the Brood, specifically the 4 Guardians. The Urkans were a group of religious people created by Myria who manipulated them into think they were fighting a great evil within the Dragons. Fighting this specific group would have not destroyed the world.

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Was it explicitly stated that the Urkan people only used the four guardians? I dont think we have enough detail to say that. I always assumed the Guardians were equivalent to a general in an army.

The dragon grave in Angel Tower only lists the four (Garr, Gaist, and two others) so it's a safe bet there were only ever four. The main issue is that the Guardians were basically revered as "angels who slew the evil dragons" so if the dragons rose up again to challenge them, you can guess who the majority of the world would be siding with.

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mario2000 posted...

The main issue is that the Guardians were basically revered as "angels who slew the evil dragons" so if the dragons rose up again to challenge them

Only in Urkan region and the followers of Urkan believed in this. There were no indication that the rest of the world thought badly of the Dragons nor were there any indications that the rest of the world would followed the Urkans.

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The point was that dragons ARE extremely dangerous, Myria feared very real potential disaster. Play the entire series for a better view of the moral greyness of things, especially 4 since it allows you to play both sides of a potential dragon apocalypse. The potential for great evil and destruction does exist, Myria was wrong (kinda) in her absolute treatment of all dragons as too dangerous to exist tho, she is not malevolent she just has different beliefs/ideals than the party.

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Veggeta X posted...

Only in Urkan region and the followers of Urkan believed in this. There were no indication that the rest of the world thought badly of the Dragons nor were there any indications that the rest of the world would followed the Urkans.

No indication except literally everyone freaking out and flipping shit whenever Ryu turned into a dragon.

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mario2000 posted...

No indication except literally everyone freaking out and flipping shit whenever Ryu turned into a dragon.

I mean, if I saw someone transform into a dragon I'd flip out and likely run far away.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Myria feared very real potential disaster

I'd say in boF3, her main goal was revenge towards the Brood.

sevihaimerej posted...

Myria was wrong (kinda) in her absolute treatment of all dragons as too dangerous to exist tho, she is not malevolent she just has different beliefs/ideals than the party.

Myria is evil. Her act of purity is a guise. She's known as The Goddess of Destruction for a reason. Her cause to kill the dragons has nothing to do with saving the world or protecting it. It's just out of her own fear because a chosen Dragon will always defeat her. She only doubts her reasoning after defeat.

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mario2000 posted...

No indication except literally everyone freaking out and flipping shit whenever Ryu turned into a dragon.

That's because at the time everyone thought Dragons were to be extinct.

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mario2000 posted...

BOF4 takes place before the rest of the series.

Thought 4 and onward are separate from the original trilogy all together.

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The Brood let themselves get slaughtered because most of them also agreed that their powers were too great, which again, was stupid. I guess even with the Dark Dragons gone in BoF1, the good dragons could still be manipulated to do bad things such as Ray in BoF2 and Teepo in BoF3.

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Also pretty sure Ray and Teepo are dark descendants.

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Wouldnt there be no game/plot if they didnt do that?


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I'm suddenly reminded of the juxtaposition of Legacy of Kain, when he was asked to give up his life for peace and said, "Nah, screw that, I'm going to [un]live it up." Compared to that it is silly to ask an entire species to just die and vanish because "lol, power".

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It was kind of dumb, but it made for a good story and game, which arguably makes it a good thing for a videogame.

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The_Korey posted...

Also pretty sure Ray and Teepo are dark descendants.

I think you may be right but these two weren't inherently evil or bad. They were manipulated to do bad things.

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No arguments here. I liked Ray. Always interesting when a religious devout realizes they've been fighting for the wrong side.

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The_Korey posted...

No arguments here. I liked Ray. Always interesting when a religious devout realizes they've been fighting for the wrong side.

Ray knew he was fighting for the wrong side the whole time he just believed that he could placate Deathevn.

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