Current Events > 19 y/o Marine is DEAD after NO FOOD OR SLEEP for 54 HOURS in HARSH Training!!

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The United States Marine Corp has launched an investigation after a 19 y/o recruit died during a grueling 54 hour training exercise known as the "Crucible", a gruelling training where marines are put to the extremes with NO FOOD OR SLEEP for DAYS!!

Pfc. Dalton Beals passed away partway through the exercise that took place on Parris Island in South Carolina

He was assigned to the Echo Company in the 2nd Recruit Training Battalion where the crucible took place for an intense 13 week boot camp

They released a statement with "Our deepest condolences go out to Dalton's family and to the Marines and staff at Echo Company"

The websites states this series of challenges that tests recruits physical strength, skills and marines corps values they learned through training and are only allowed a limited amount of food or sleep

They won't reveal however at what stage he died in that included an intense 9 mile hike and concludes with them receiving a pin that signifies the title of Marine

Spokesman Bobby Yarbrough said Beals would receive a title posthumously

he is the 8th trainee to die since 2000 and back in 2016 a female recruit jumped to her death after enduring a verbal abuse from one commander

Beals is a native of New Jersey who graduated from Pennsville Memorial High School

His mom, Stacie paid tribute to her son describing him as the most sincere, kindhearted, sweet and amazing young man

A gofundme was launched for more than 26,000

Do you think this training exercise should be overhauled?

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Shame what happened to him, but:

No. America has had a long standing on how it trains its soldiers. We can't go soft now

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Sucks that it happened, but like, it happens.

It just is what it is. Marine training is tough, not everyone is going to make it through it. His body quite on him, and that is a tragedy, but this doesn't happen all that often...and marines know the risks involved.

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I really dont know. Training sounds insanely tough but also being a Marine isnt a normal job. That level of training really might be required for the job. I usually say fuck the military but this scenario really could happen in the field.

Shitty situation. RIP.

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Since the year 2000 at least 800,000 Marines have graduated that same Crucible, which arguably has gotten easier as time has gone by. A freak accident no doubt, I would need to hear more details about what was the actual cause of death was.

I went through in 2012 and there is an immense amount of oversight at all times.

You do eat, and you do sleep. Whoever wrote this article is blowing smoke.

It's an unfortunate situation... However Chow is continuous. Recruit shouldn't have tried to be Billy Bad Ass and go the whole crucible without eating his MREs. Guarantee you he had the opportunity to eat, drink, and get some sleep.

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Tragic, but hard to judge without knowing the details. But 54 hours with no food or sleep though is something I dont believe for a second. Even for the crucible.

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Unless there is some specific negligence or abuse...it is just a sad accident. They mention that girl too, but being yelled at and put in those situations as a recruit is important cause that is how you know someone doesn't crack under the pressure in tense situation. Imagine you are dealing with an unruly civilian and can't take it and do some harm to that person. That is why they do that to filter those people out.

Prismsblade posted...

Tragic, but hard to judge without knowing the details. But 54 hours with no food or sleep though is something I dont believe for a second. Even for the crucible.

Probably exaggerated for the lawsuit. These things are highly controlled.

hope his family is compensated just a shitty situation all around

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Probably exaggerated for the lawsuit. These things are highly controlled.

I dont believe the family can sue them actually. That and he should certanly have had life insurance anyways.

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Unless there was serious neglect on the instructors part, I doubt the training itself resulted in this soldiers death. A lawsuit likely wont get very far.

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people have died during PT (which is just basic calisthenics and a run in the airforce and nothing like the grueling crucible) in the military. sometimes because of an undiagnosed illness.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/02/11/wake-of-pt-deaths-air-force-study-probes-link-between-sickle-cell-and-extreme-exertion.html

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Prismsblade posted...

Tragic, but hard to judge without knowing the details. But 54 hours with no food or sleep though is something I dont believe for a second. Even for the crucible.

According to military.com, the Crucible allows a total of 8 hours of sleep for the entire 54 hour drill and 2.5 MREs (about 3,000 calories).
https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/marine-corps-crucible.html

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Paragon21XX posted...

According to military.com, the Crucible allows a total of 8 hours of sleep for the entire 54 hour drill and 2.5 MREs (about 3,000 calories).
https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/marine-corps-crucible.html

This checks with everything I've heard from prior-service Marines about the Crucible.

It's designed to suck.

I'd mark the recruits death up more to a failure of leadership than the harsh training. Thousands of Marines graduate basic training every year, so it isn't like the Crucible is killing dozens or hundreds of recruits.

Though I'm inherently biased so my opinion may carry less weight in that regards

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I didnt do the marines. But the army final ftx is kinda like it. 10 miles or so hike followed by the MREs out in the field and live exercises. The sandpit crawling while they fire tracers above your head, etc..

kinda hard to believe they didnt let him eat for 2 days. I remember my first ever MRE them standing over my shoulder screaming to eat it as fast as I could

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Eliminate this immediately. This goes against the cruel and unusual clause of the Bill of Rights.
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Duncanwii posted...

Eliminate this immediately. This goes against the cruel and unusual clause of the Bill of Rights.

Marines are not prisoners being punished. They are badasses who knew what they were getting into.

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I collapsed during basic training in the summer at Ft Leonard Wood from heat stroke. I ended up in the hospital with a temperature of about 105.5 by the time they got me there. They put ice packs on me and set up an IV to hydrate me.

What happened was that I was sick and trying to push through it rather than going to sick call and getting a profile because I was afraid I would physically fall behind and I didn't want to look week. It was stupid and honestly I could have killed myself by just trying to push past the fact that I had a fever for days and was coughing up blood every night.

Ultimately they gave me anti-biotics, had me in a hospital for a couple of days and put me on a profile for about a week and I still graduated basic on time but this is often how people die in military training. They are physically not capable of doing the training either because of their basic fitness or because they are sick and they try to push themselves through it anyways even though their body is screaming at them to stop and rest.

Duncanwii posted...

Eliminate this immediately. This goes against the cruel and unusual clause of the Bill of Rights.

All those recruits are happy to do it or at least glad that theyve made it up until that point

The entire process is to filter out those who would consider it cruel or unusual lol


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Theres no time before the end where they notice someones not going to make it?

Sure 1 innocent man jailed is fine if you jail many more guilty ones right?

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Atralis posted...

I collapsed during basic training in the summer at Ft Leonard Wood from heat stroke. I ended up in the hospital with a temperature of about 105.5 by the time they got me there. They put ice packs on me and set up an IV to hydrate me.

What happened was that I was sick and trying to push through it rather than going to sick call and getting a profile because I was afraid I would physically fall behind and I didn't want to look week. It was stupid and honestly I could have killed myself by just trying to push past the fact that I had a fever for days and was coughing up blood every night.

Ultimately they gave me anti-biotics, had me in a hospital for a couple of days and put me on a profile for about a week and I still graduated basic on time but this is often how people die in military training.

Fort lost in the woods was brutal. I remember arriving 10 degree weather in January and leaving in 100 degree weather in may

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RedJackson posted...

All those recruits are happy to do it or at least glad that theyve made it up until that point

The entire process is to filter out those who would consider it cruel or unusual lol

War is cruel and unusual.

If you can't handle things that are uncomfortable and stressing, you'll never survive in war and can even be more of a detriment than if you weren't even there

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Atralis posted...

I collapsed during basic training in the summer at Ft Leonard Wood from heat stroke. I ended up in the hospital with a temperature of about 105.5 by the time they got me there. They put ice packs on me and set up an IV to hydrate me.

What happened was that I was sick and trying to push through it rather than going to sick call and getting a profile because I was afraid I would physically fall behind and I didn't want to look week. It was stupid and honestly I could have killed myself by just trying to push past the fact that I had a fever for days and was coughing up blood every night.

Ultimately they gave me anti-biotics, had me in a hospital for a couple of days and put me on a profile for about a week and I still graduated basic on time but this is often how people die in military training. They are physically not capable of doing the training either because of their basic fitness or because they are sick and they try to push themselves through it anyways even though their body is screaming at them to stop and rest.

This is ridiculous, you should have asked for time off. No amount of training is worth your life.
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gamer167 posted...

Since the year 2000 at least 800,000 Marines have graduated that same Crucible, which arguably has gotten easier as time has gone by. A freak accident no doubt, I would need to hear more details about what was the actual cause of death was.

I went through in 2012 and there is an immense amount of oversight at all times.

You do eat, and you do sleep. Whoever wrote this article is blowing smoke.

Oh okay. I change my answer then. Sleep deprivation is no joke, but I guess it makes sense that the article is exaggerating. A lot more people would be dying if they were really forcing Marines to go without food or sleep for over 2 days.

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Its crazy because every single recruit Hass to pass the crucible in order to graduate as a basic marine and do anything else

I wonder if this is the first time somebodys died from doing it plenty of friends have enlisted and gone through this and never had any issues

Duncanwii posted...

This is ridiculous, you should have asked for time off. No amount of training is worth your life.

I agree 100% but you have to realize this was Boot Camp for this guy and it was Basic for me. I was basically a fully grown man child at that point and I felt like this was the most important thing I had ever done in my life and the whole program is designed to make you feel greatly motivated to keep up and to push past physical pain or discomfort.

I was exhausted and in pain a lot in basic and knowing the difference between that being good because you are getting stronger and that being bad because you are literally going to die isn't something a 19 year old is necessarily equipped for.

Lmao this is seriously a training exercise? And they didn't put it on hold for him once he started to feel sick?

Fuck the military. No not the soldiers, they are awesome. I'm talking about the whole system. They treat their soldiers like shit and then send them out to die for American imperialism and oil, defending ba flag wrapped on the foundations of slavery and racism, and then they come back and the whole system forgets them.

Give $10 million to the family, it won't bring their son back (RIP) but the Marines need to be punished

DomingoGerman posted...

Lmao this is seriously a training exercise? And they didn't put it on hold for him once he started to feel sick?

Fuck the military. No not the soldiers, they are awesome. I'm talking about the whole system. They treat their soldiers like shit and then send them out to die for American imperialism and oil, defending ba flag wrapped on the foundations of slavery and racism, and then they come back and the whole system forgets them.

This post sums it up for me too.

and the amount of people defending this in this topic...yikes.

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I guess they're trying to kill off or at least fuck up anyone who wouldn't survive this in the field.

I mean it's not something you can really train for or get better at.


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KingKudaKane posted...

I guess they're trying to kill off or at least fuck up anyone who wouldn't survive this in the field.

I mean it's not something you can really train for or get better at.

I'm not saying make the training easier but they should investigate whether or not the trainers (Drill Instructors in this case) followed good procedures. If someone just happened to have the flu or hell even covid while they were at this particularly harsh stage in the training that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't cut out for the job they may just need to be taken out of training for a bit then dropped back in when they get past it.

The crucible really isn't that bad. If he would've held out just a little while longer he would've had the warrior's breakfast. A literal banquet.

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bladegash posted...

The crucible really isn't that bad. If he would've held out just a little while longer he would've had the warrior's breakfast. A literal banquet.

Yeah. Shame about that breakfast

..if he only didnt die...

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SwayM posted...

Yeah. Shame about that breakfast

..if he only didnt die...

bad rackmate

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ICiQKdO-Q

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bladegash posted...

bad rackmate

bad military indoctrination

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Its literally not as bad as it reads. As people have stated before ITT, thousands upon thousands of men and women alike have partaken in this exact exercise (me included) and have made it out alive. This isnt an issue with the training itself (as its designed to emulate real situations Marines have been through from WW2 to Iraq and Afghanistan. This is an issue of failed leadership. Either the DIs in charge of him were incredibly neglectful, or they werent properly trained well enough to watch out for the signs that he wasnt doing well.

I remember when I did it (in 2015) our squad had a specific DI who was doing literally every exercise with us and watching out for us. His job was no longer to make us absolutely miserable (as it was for the previous 3 months) but instead to help lead us and motivate us to make it to the end (with the only occasional use of negative reinforcement ). Not to mention, there are Navy Corpsmen at every corner of the event, watching over recruits to catch signs of heatstroke and other conditions. Ultimately every single one of us made it through, and at least from what I can tell, the whole thing is ultimately designed in a way where they want everyone to succeed.

In a way, the Crucible is more of a recruitment tactic than anything. Yes, it does absolutely freaking suck, and I wouldnt want to do it again any time soon. But in reality there are layers and layers of systems put in place to make sure as few people get hurt as possible.

So in my opinion, there was a critical failure somewhere in the execution of the exercise, or maybe even a systemic issue with the leadership that lead to too toxic of an environment that the recruits/Instructors could not identify or refused to identify the point in which the recruit needed medical attention. That is, unless the recruit had fallen ill before the event and never said anything about it (people do regularly get sick during Boot Camp and refuse to tell anybody).

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I've had several friends graduate from marine boot camp, I always hear that it's the easiest part of boot camp

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DomingoGerman posted...

Lmao this is seriously a training exercise? And they didn't put it on hold for him once he started to feel sick?

Fuck the military. No not the soldiers, they are awesome. I'm talking about the whole system. They treat their soldiers like shit and then send them out to die for American imperialism and oil, defending ba flag wrapped on the foundations of slavery and racism, and then they come back and the whole system forgets them.

Contrary to popular belief, you can just quit. If you're fucked up while training they'll drop you if you want. Happens all the time. Recruit breaks or sprains something, gets sick, or just doesn't wanna do something, they have no problem dropping them. Especially these days. The only reason one would persist if they were sick or injured is if they tried to hide it and refuse to quit.

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Gurifisu posted...

Contrary to popular belief, you can just quit. If you're fucked up while training they'll drop you if you want. Happens all the time. Recruit breaks or sprains something, gets sick, or just doesn't wanna do something, they have no problem dropping them. Especially these days. The only reason one would persist if they were sick or injured is if they tried to hide it and refuse to quit.

Jeeze. Why would someone push themselves to the literal point of death?

Oh because if you quit youre treated like this. Listen to yourself.

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The marines are known for harsher training than other military branches and it really stands to question why they're so necessary to this one branch. It's entirely possible there are outdated traditions.

RedJackson posted...

All those recruits are happy to do it or at least glad that theyve made it up until that point

The entire process is to filter out those who would consider it cruel or unusual lol

The people meant to decide whether it's cruel and unusual are part of the civilian government, not the military.
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SwayM posted...

Jeeze. Why would someone push themselves to the literal point of death?

Oh because if you quit youre treated like this. Listen to yourself.

This guy was 19 years old. Honestly there need to be actual adults in the process to take these kids and tell them they need to take a step back. They will run themselves to death if you let them in some cases when they are sick and just trying to keep up with the boys.

SwayM posted...

Jeeze. Why would someone push themselves to the literal point of death?

Oh because if you quit youre treated like this. Listen to yourself.

Note when I say drop its because there's really no better word. When a recruit gets dropped depending on the reason, they can get dropped into another training company that's a few weeks behind, a medical recovery platoon where your injuries are treated and your rehabilitated and you're able to get dropped back into the training pipeline, or into a holding platoon where you process out to get separated.

To answer your question, even though it doesn't seem very genuine given your response where you don't really seem to care about actually understanding: because guys go to boot camp thinking they're hot shit. Especially the younger ones. They think they're Invincible. So many others before them made it through with no problems so why would they think they're any different.

Also when you're that far in, it just adds to the sense of immunity. You're so close to the end. Probably figured it'd be faster to just push through, graduate, and get aid afterwards than get dropped into a medical platoon for however long and have to do it again, etc. There's plenty of reasons.

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Dont waste your breathe arguing with CEmen about the military lol

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Gurifisu posted...

because guys go to boot camp thinking they're hot shit. Especially the younger ones. They think they're Invincible. So many others before them made it through with no problems so why would they think they're any different.

You putting the blame on kids who are joining the military, where they literally spend the entirety of your training making into a dog, that will listen to any command with perfection.

There seems to be something wrong with your line of thinking that someone pushes themselves to the point of death and thats on them.

Not the system that pushes them that far, or anyone around them to notice this boys not doing so hot.


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Yeah also went to ft Leonard wood. The program is 100 percent designed to make soldier push through pain/sickness/signs of medical injury.

For example, drill sergeants make fun of the people in sick call who are lagging behind , and everyone laughs at them.

I never did sick call, but my battle buddy went to It and you go wherever your battle buddy goes. And even then I felt disgusted looking at all the people there, convincing myself they weren't really sick they just wanted time off from training. Ashamed of it now, but that's the mentality the army puts on their soldiers.

One if our sayings is "suck it up and drink water", enuff' said really. That flew in 2005 but now a days, no.

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Ratchetrockon posted...

people have died during PT (which is just basic calisthenics and a run in the airforce and nothing like the grueling crucible) in the military. sometimes because of an undiagnosed illness.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/02/11/wake-of-pt-deaths-air-force-study-probes-link-between-sickle-cell-and-extreme-exertion.html

Either undiagnosed or undisclosed.

While part of the recruitment process involves the military inquiring about your medical diagnoses, some of which would be disqualifying, there are people who will lie to get into the military.

SwayM posted...

You putting the blame on kids who are joining the military, where they literally spend the entirety of your training making into a dog, that will listen to any command with perfection.

There seems to be something wrong with your line of thinking that someone pushes themselves to the point of death and thats on them.

Not the system that pushes them that far, or anyone around them to notice this boys not doing so hot.

At boot camp they're actively trying to make you quit, fail, give up etc. If this kid were to act like the dog you think he's trained to be, he'd follow orders and see the Navy corpsman. When they see that you're fucked, that do everything they can to get you to see the proper medical, be it physical or mental, attention that you need.

The last thing the instructors want is a recruits life on their hands. I did Marine Corps boot camp. Broke my hip during training. I know first hand how quickly they are to act when they see a fucked up recruit. Instructors don't want to be responsible for that shit. They try to pass it off to medical at the drop of a hat.

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Full Throttle posted...

The United States Marine Corp has launched an investigation after a 19 y/o recruit died during a grueling 54 hour training exercise known as the "Crucible", a gruelling training where marines are put to the extremes with NO FOOD OR SLEEP for DAYS!!

Pfc. Dalton Beals passed away partway through the exercise that took place on Parris Island in South Carolina

He was assigned to the Echo Company in the 2nd Recruit Training Battalion where the crucible took place for an intense 13 week boot camp

They released a statement with "Our deepest condolences go out to Dalton's family and to the Marines and staff at Echo Company"

The websites states this series of challenges that tests recruits physical strength, skills and marines corps values they learned through training and are only allowed a limited amount of food or sleep

They won't reveal however at what stage he died in that included an intense 9 mile hike and concludes with them receiving a pin that signifies the title of Marine

Spokesman Bobby Yarbrough said Beals would receive a title posthumously

he is the 8th trainee to die since 2000 and back in 2016 a female recruit jumped to her death after enduring a verbal abuse from one commander

Beals is a native of New Jersey who graduated from Pennsville Memorial High School

His mom, Stacie paid tribute to her son describing him as the most sincere, kindhearted, sweet and amazing young man

A gofundme was launched for more than 26,000

Do you think this training exercise should be overhauled?

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Why the need to mention that?


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