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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Shit as a teen I recall Mom had been noticing i wouldnt flinch anymore as if I were un-afraid. I remember what was prob my last ass whooping. She saw i had balled up my fist and have a defiant look on my face the whole time. She was all "what, are you gonna hit me now? Try it"

I didn't of course. Love and respect mom too much. There was no more ass whoopings after that. She recognized i was too grown for it. Or maybe I just matured enough to stay out of trouble.

Sounds like your mom was a coward. <_<

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

This only happens to people who don't do it right.

Shit as a teen I recall Mom had been noticing i wouldnt flinch anymore as if I were un-afraid. I remember what was prob my last ass whooping. She saw i had balled up my fist and have a defiant look on my face the whole time. She was all "what, are you gonna hit me now? Try it"

I didn't of course. Love and respect mom too much. There was no more ass whoopings after that. She recognized i was too grown for it. Or maybe I just matured enough to stay out of trouble.

Like I said, proper spankings exist. It works for some people at certain times of their life.

I mean they only stopped because they stopped being effective and you could defend yourself. Exactly what the poster you quoted said.

And your response to it was initially to hit her back, something you'd never have even thought of if she hadn't spent your life hitting you.

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DuckButter posted...

It IS okay to hit someone if you want them to stop what they're doing. Ever been bullied? Were you able to convince your bully to stop with a well thought out intellectual plea? No? Me neither. I have convinced bullies to stop by throwing reckless haymakers at their faces though.

And how well did that work against your bullies? Because 9/10 they're just going to kick your ass even harder. Most bullies grew up in homes that were big on using violence for discipline, which is why they use violence themselves to get their way and they're using to getting hit so it's not going to do more than tick them off. Stop using physical discipline and a lot of bullying goes away overnight.

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There is way too much evidence to the contrary just in life itself.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I mean they only stopped because they stopped being effective and you could defend yourself. Exactly what the poster you quoted said.

And your response to it was initially to hit her back, something you'd never have even thought of if she hadn't spent your life hitting you.

rekt
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Zeus posted...

And how well did that work against your bullies? Because 9/10 they're just going to kick your ass even harder.

This is anecdotal, but when I kicked my bully's ass they never bothered me again. A lot of bullies are cowards who pick easy targets. Quite kids with low self esteem are usually so. Granted my bullies were more verbal than physical, and I wasn't a tiny kid by any means.

But even if a bully does fight you again, if their target keeps fighting back viciously... eventually it's not going to be worth the effort.

That said if less kids were abused at home, there would be less bullies overall. I just disagree with violence not solving the problem. It often is the only viable solution in our 'Do nothing until it's too late' school environment.


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Its ironic how much virgin energy is given off by pro-spanking people.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I mean they only stopped because they stopped being effective and you could defend yourself. Exactly what the poster you quoted said.

And your response to it was initially to hit her back, something you'd never have even thought of if she hadn't spent your life hitting you.

I never thought of hitting back. That was just me tensing up to prepare myself for the ass whooping. Always imagined geodude using harden.

And I did say it's effective at certain stages in life for some people. I'd argue most children.

Plenty of bullies want you to fight back, as it then means they can gang up on you more and you also get in trouble with teachers. I've had several friends who got in shit for snapping and and bloodying the nose of a bully, and never made them relent after either.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I never thought of hitting back. That was just me tensing up to prepare myself for the ass whooping. Always imagined geodude using harden.

And I did say it's effective at certain stages in life for some people. I'd argue most children.

You're admitting to balling up your fist, that is you subconsciously preparing to throw a punch.

Being defensive is throwing your hands up to block incoming attacks not balling up your fist.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

You're admitting to balling up your fist, that is you subconsciously preparing to throw a punch.

This

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You're admitting to balling up your fist, that is you subconsciously preparing to throw a punch.

Being defensive is throwing your hands up to block incoming attacks not balling up your fist.

I just explained I tensed up to brace for the hit. Yal disregarding what I'm saying and making things up. And before this, I said I stopped flinching which is what I assume you mean by blocking. Btw blocking was an easy way to get bonked again. She didn't like that.

I also remember thinking as a teen back then if I were to block then it might hurt my mother, which I never wanted to do.

We live in a universe that is heavily influenced by force and kinetic energy. To not be able to use a incredibly light amount of it to occasionally discipline unruly children to show there are consequences for certain negative actions is kind of odd considering our those in charge of the government and law enforcement will use it to detain, or straight up end your life if you step out of line in certain ways.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I just explained I tensed up to brace for the hit. Yal disregarding what I'm saying and making things up

Forming your hand into a fist in preparation to being hit means subconsciously you were preparing to throw a punch back in response.

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Number090684 posted...

We live in a universe that is heavily influenced by force and kinetic energy. To not be able to use a incredibly light amount of it to occasionally discipline children is kind of odd considering our those in charge of the government and law enforcement will use it to detain, or straight up end your life if you step out of line in certain ways.

And a lot of those times it is wrong because it ends up being excessive.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Forming your hand into a fist in preparation to being hit means subconsciously you were preparing to throw a punch back in response.

Lol I just said that's not what happened and you continue to push what you think. I was there. I lived it. You do not know more than what I'm telling you. You're just assuming despite what I'm telling you.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

And I did say it's effective at certain stages in life for some people. I'd argue most children.

Teenagers are children.

It's only "effective" because small children are too weak to defend themselves. Teenagers on the other hand could conceivably win a fight, and all those hormones makes them more aggressive. Even if they lose, they recover from injury a lot quicker than an adult in their 30s or 40s.

Awfully convenient "Spanking is the only thing that work" types suddenly become diplomatic once their child can look them in the eye without looking up.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I also remember thinking as a teen back then if I were to block then it might hurt my mother, which I never wanted to do.

In other words, you were a threat then as opposed to when you were a toddler.

It's good that you don't want to hurt your mother, no one should want to hurt their parents. But the spankings stopped when you gained the capacity to do so.

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Zeus posted...

And how well did that work against your bullies? Because 9/10 they're just going to kick your ass even harder. Most bullies grew up in homes that were big on using violence for discipline, which is why they use violence themselves to get their way and they're using to getting hit so it's not going to do more than tick them off. Stop using physical discipline and a lot of bullying goes away overnight.

I mean in fairness people also bully because they know that their target may not fight back.

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Umbreon posted...

Teenagers are children.

It's only "effective" because small children are too weak to defend themselves. Teenagers on the other hand could conceivably win a fight, and all those hormones makes them more aggressive. Even if they lose, they recover from injury a lot quicker than an adult in their 30s or 40s.

Awfully convenient "Spanking is the only thing that work" types suddenly become diplomatic once their child can look them in the eye without looking up.

I said the ass whoopings stopped. I still get ear twists and bonked on the head for stepping out of line even as an adult.

Idk why you talking about winning in a fight. Of course i could over power my mother, but wtf fighting was never an option.

You act like my parents abused me like some dog. A dog who would finally bite back after taking so much abuse. That's not what "spanking" is. Theres a difference and it's obvious some families don't know the line.

Umbreon posted...

In other words, you were a threat then as opposed to when you were a toddler.

It's good that you don't want to hurt your mother, no one should want to hurt their parents. But the spankings stopped when you gained the capacity to do so.

Mom ain't afraid to smack me if I disrespect her or step out of line. For all intents and purposes, I consider that spanking. So nah didn't stop all together.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I said the ass whoopings stopped. I still get ear twists and bonked on the head for stepping out of line even as an adult.

That's abuse. You can tell them to not do that you know. I doubt you'd let a stranger do that to you.

Spanking is abuse, even if it isn't as severe as outright beating the crap out of a child.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

You act like my parents abused me like some dog. A dog who would finally bite back after taking so much abuse. That's not what "spanking" is. Theres a difference and it's obvious some families don't know the line.

Just because you can't see it that way, doesn't change what it is.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Not sure why people are so attached to the practice of beating the shit out of kids

Spend some time retail, you'll understand the desire.

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Umbreon posted...

That's abuse. You can tell them to not do that you know. I doubt you'd let a stranger do that to you.

Spanking is abuse, even if it isn't as severe as outright beating the crap out of a child.

Alright this is just in bad faith. Why are you acting that there aren't degrees to this?

For the record, I was beat with belts. Not losing my shit over other people having been spanked. Will not spank or beat my kids.


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Funkydog posted...

Just because you can't see it that way, doesn't change what it is.

I was not abused like a dog. It's weird you see it that way.

Umbreon posted...

That's abuse. You can tell them to not do that you know. I doubt you'd let a stranger do that to you.

Spanking is abuse, even if it isn't as severe as outright beating the crap out of a child.

Again I'm seeing weird comparisons as if this isn't my mother. Why would I treat my mother like a stranger?

I've been reminded about this sketch since it's related to the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx7s_N79nco

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

Alright this is just in bad faith. Why are you acting that there aren't degrees to this?

For the record, I was beat with belts. Not losing my shit over other people having been spanked. Will not spank or beat my kids.

How does the degree of abuse change that it's abuse? Spanking with a fist might not be as bad as a punch in the face or walloping with a belt to leave marks, but all are bad. Spanking is still hurting someone who almost certainly simply doesn't know better yet and doesn't have the reasoning to think beyond the immediate. They are relying on you to teach them to act better, not hurt them.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I was not abused like a dog. It's weird you see it that way.

Spanking is abuse. "Being abused like a dog" is irrelevant.

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Oh so now people finally care about adverse childhood experiences?

Spanking didn't make me more aggressive to other kids, it made me have lower self esteem, and more likely to be bullied. The spanking part wasn't even that bad ...it was having this hulking redneck berate me, and make me think he might beat my ass for real.

RetsuZaiZen posted...

Alright this is just in bad faith. Why are you acting that there aren't degrees to this?

For the record, I was beat with belts. Not losing my shit over other people having been spanked. Will not spank or beat my kids.

How is it bad faith? Yes there are degrees, which is why I pointed out the difference in spanking and beating up a child.

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

Alright this is just in bad faith. Why are you acting that there aren't degrees to this?

Point is, all degrees to it are shit
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Funkydog posted...

Spanking is still hurting someone who almost certainly simply doesn't know better yet and doesn't have the reasoning to think beyond the immediate. They are relying on you to teach them to act better, not hurt them.

This is where your assumptions fail you. Spankings didnt happen when I was a baby in the cradle. Mom didn't hit me because she wanted me to stop crying.

Spankings were further punishment after I deliberately disobeyed.

Went from this to that.

Don't do that
Come here and sit down
Slap on the wrist

Frizzurd posted...

Oh so now people finally care about adverse childhood experiences?

Spanking didn't make me more aggressive to other kids, it made me have lower self esteem, and more likely to be bullied. The spanking part wasn't even that bad ...it was having this hulking redneck berate me, and make me think he might beat my ass for real.

This is also a factor as well. Spanking undermines confidence.

If I had to guess, you also were less likely to ask your parents for help if you got in trouble?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

This is where your assumptions fail you. Spankings didnt happen when I was a baby in the cradle. Mom didn't hit me because she wanted me to stop crying.

Spankings were further punishment after I deliberately disobeyed.

Seems like you're the one assuming I'm talking about babies when I'm not.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Again I'm seeing weird comparisons as if this isn't my mother. Why would I treat my mother like a stranger?

The point I'm trying to make is...

Why are you letting your mother bonk you on the head as an adult? That isn't an appropriate way to treat someone. You can tell your mother to not do that, all without raising a hand.

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Popcorn thread

Can someone make a circumcision thread next?

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Umbreon posted...

How is it bad faith? Yes there are degrees, which is why I pointed out the difference in spanking and beating up a child.

I'm speaking to degrees of spanking. Not all spanking is equal man. To say otherwise is illogical.

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

I'm speaking to degrees of spanking. Not all spanking is equal man. To say otherwise is illogical.

Study after study says you're wrong. It's all bad. You're saying drinking a little bleach is better than drinking a lot of bleach. That's illogical.
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RetsuZaiZen posted...

I'm speaking to degrees of spanking. Not all spanking is equal man. To say otherwise is illogical.

You are responding to something that says there are degrees to "correct" him with talking about degrees. Of course there's different kinds of spanking.

It's all bad, is what we're saying.

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voldothegr8 posted...

Study after study says you're wrong. It's all bad. You're saying drinking a little bleach is better than drinking a lot of bleach. That's illogical.

But that is true

/s

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Aight you're so mad that you're being intentionally daft now.

The difference I'm speaking to is force applied. You're basically arguing that is irrelevant to the matter. Talk studies all you want, I'm talking about logic.

Your own argument is stupid because fucking yes its better to have ingested a little bit of bleach rather than drinking the entire bottle. One kills you, the other doesn't.

Like arguing walking and running are the same, irrespective of rate of speed of travel .

A kiss is the same as a full makeout session, irrespective of time elapsed. Don't do this. Just stop.

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Funkydog posted...

You are responding to something that says there are degrees to "correct" him with talking about degrees. Of course there's different kinds of spanking.

It's all bad, is what we're saying.

No fucking shit. I agree. Don't spank kids. Just don't argue in bad faith. It's just lazy.

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Logic is fucking stupid a lot of the time. It's not something to base the welfare of a child on. Not that you are actually using logic and rather going against it.

And just because we don't want to hit children, doesn't make us "arguing in bad faith" no matter how many times you say it.

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

Aight you're so mad that you're being intentionally daft now.

The difference I'm speaking to is force applied. You're basically arguing that is irrelevant to the matter. Talk studies all you want, I'm talking about logic.

Your own argument is stupid because fucking yes its better to have ingested a little bit of bleach rather than drinking the entire bottle. One kills you, the other doesn't.

Like arguing walking and running are the same, irrespective of rate of speed of travel .

A kiss is the same as a full makeout session, irrespective of time elapsed. Don't do this. Just stop.

For a guy who claims to be talking about "logic", you sure spend a lot of time making illogical points.

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Veggeta X posted...

Does timing out your kid really work, though? Now that's the next question.

https://youtu.be/ZX5MHNvjw7o?t=172

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Funkydog posted...

Seems like you're the one assuming I'm talking about babies when I'm not.

Did you notice how I specifically quoted where you said "someone who almost certainly simply doesn't know better yet"? If these aren't babies then who you talking about

Umbreon posted...

The point I'm trying to make is...

Why are you letting your mother bonk you on the head as an adult? That isn't an appropriate way to treat someone. You can tell your mother to not do that, all without raising a hand.

Because she's my mother and I will afford her certain privileges. And at this point in life, 99% of the time I get bonked is because I'm trolling her for the reaction.

As a kid I knew a whooping was coming if I got caught doing something wrong so I would avoid doing those things (or at least avoid getting caught). Now as an adult I have some fun with it. And its not like mom is trying to knock me out. It's the equivalent to a slap on the wrist. Honestly, it takes me back to when I was a kid and comforts me knowing mom still cares to check me.

I understand you or some people may take huge offense to your mother's doing this, but I'm proud of how my mom did.

Tmaster148 posted...

For a guy who claims to be talking about "logic", you sure spend a lot of time making illogical points.

You got it boss. All things are equal. You have big brain.

Smh

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Did you notice how I specifically quoted where you said "someone who almost certainly simply doesn't know better yet"? If these are babies then who you talking about

...Children? Young children aren't adults and shouldn't be expected to think rationally like one.

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Being your mother doesn't grant her the right to hit you.

But in the end, you live your life the way you want to.

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Funkydog posted...

...Children? Young children aren't adults and shouldn't be expected to think rationally like one.

As a young child I had the sense to not steal, fight, disrespect elders, etc. Maybe my mother expected too much of me, or maybe you expect too little of children. Babies or baby-minded people imo are those who do not know right from wrong.

Umbreon posted...

Being your mother doesn't grant her the right to hit you.

But in the end, you live your life the way you want to.

Like I said, I will afford my mother certain privileges. She isn't some random off the street. Obviously I can stop this any time. But I've already explained why and how it goes down. If you think I'm being abused as an adult despite this then yikes