Current Events > Do people actually truly believe 1/6 was the darkest day in US History

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HHH is the game posted...

Then why didn't they murder anybody?

Still even if they wanted to, there are many people who wanted to murder people in US history and SUCCEEDED so I think those would be the darker days

Because they failed to. But they wanted to. If a Muslim terrorist wanted to shoot up a church but his gun jammed and he wasnt able to, does that mean hes no longer a terrorist? and btw cops who were there did die.

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Just mark him and move on. He's clearly not here to discuss anything and will hopefully be banned soon.

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HHH is the game posted...

I understand this, I'm just saying the event itself was not this horrible tragedy.

the event showed just how far gone half the voting public has fallen. and how far they are willing to go when they're told "no".

9/11 was a horrible event, a horrible day, a horrible month, and we are still feeling the consequences of it 20 years later, both at home and in the middle east. but foreign enemies attacking a country is not actually all that surprising. of course they will try, that's why they're our enemies (and vice versa). On 1/6, we saw for the first time in 160 years that that kind of enemy isn't just foreign, but domestic, too.

that's what's so terrifying to me.

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Medussa posted...

that's what's so terrifying to me.

And even more scary, there are what, 19+ Q crazy republicans running for office with incredibly high chances of winning.

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HHH is the game posted...

Then why didn't they murder anybody?

Still even if they wanted to, there are many people who wanted to murder people in US history and SUCCEEDED so I think those would be the darker days

I mean, it has set the tone for the future of the entire nation. These crazy people gained power in office and the GOP is doing everything in its power to eliminate voting rights and allow people to challenge the results of free elections in the future. And they can get away with it because they can pass these laws in a number of states and call it the will of the people. A sympathetic Supreme Court doesn't help either.

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LightHawKnight posted...

And even more scary, there are what, 19+ Q crazy republicans running for office with incredibly high chances of winning.

Not to mention the ones already in Congress. And the ones like Ted Cruz who are riding the line. This has potential to be a huge disaster for our democracy.

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1/6 is one of the scariest. Not just for the potential implications of what could have happened that day. But everything that's happened since. How half the country is committed to memory holing, minimizing, or outright agreeing with what happened that day. How something that dangerous has essentially been swallowed by partisanship. How it hasn't been correctly identified as a fascist coup attempt. How it hasn't been thoroughly punished both as a political and criminal matter.

All of these things sow the very real seeds of a bad end for American democracy. It'll embolden people who think that any election they lose was stolen and so it's alright to actually steal elections in response or to think that using violence to do so won't be punished.


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imagine defending republican terrorism

do yall call rioters who burn down gas stations terrorists

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AlphaCuck posted...

do yall call rioters who burn down gas stations terrorists

I do

Same for the rioters at the Capitol

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No. Some people got a bit violent, but most of the people were peaceful. Some people entered the capitol, but they didn't really do much.

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TerraSeeker posted...

No. Some people got a bit violent, but most of the people were peaceful. Some people entered the capitol, but they didn't really do much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILE6DnRJXU0

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AlphaCuck posted...

do yall call rioters who burn down gas stations terrorists

Yup. If its done for political reasons they are by definition committing terroristic acts. Just like those on 1/6 did. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand lol.

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You can't peacefully show up to the Capitol during an election certification and attempt to overturn the results of the election. What they were doing was fundamentally anti democratic and illegitimate.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Yup. If its done for political reasons they are by definition committing terroristic acts. Just like those on 1/6 did. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand lol.

well good job being consistent but i'm not convinced that last time there was rioting in the news there was a big push from this crowd to designate them terrorists

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Tuesday was darker than that day.

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AlphaCuck posted...

well good job being consistent but i'm not convinced that last time there was rioting in the news there was a big push from this crowd to designate them terrorists

Not all rioters are terrorists. Everyone at the Capitol was a terrorist. No, that does not mean every BLM protest is an act of terorrism.

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if it gets a movie, maybe

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AlphaCuck posted...

well good job being consistent but i'm not convinced that last time there was rioting in the news there was a big push from this crowd to designate them terrorists

Shit, didn't think you'd outright say you want to designate all BLM as terrorists.

A lot of people here wouldn't call all MAGAs terrorists because of 1/6. You're a hypocrite.

ButteryMales posted...

Shit, didn't think you'd outright say you want to designate all BLM as terrorists.

i didn't though. are you ok

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It's insane people are still trying to downplay what exactly happened on the 6th because it makes them uncomfortable they supported the shit leading up to it. I mean, that's really the only logical reason I can fathom of why someone would think an attempted overthrowing of the government by the literal president supported by 100+ Congressman isn't that big of a deal.
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Heineken14 posted...

It's insane people are still trying to downplay what exactly happened on the 6th because it makes them uncomfortable they supported the shit leading up to it. I mean, that's really the only logical reason I can fathom of why someone would think an attempted overthrowing of the government by the literal president supported by 100+ Congressman isn't that big of a deal.

they know they want to do it again.

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I absolutely believe now that if they'd succeeded, people here would be supporting it by deflecting to BLM and Antifa and talking about how the left was so crazy and corrupt. I was here that day, the usual suspects were already running interference even as it was happening and pushing the Big Lie.

This country has a fascist problem.

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legendary_zell posted...

I absolutely believe now that if they'd succeeded, people here would be supporting it by deflecting to BLM and Antifa and talking about how the left was so crazy and corrupt. I was here that day, the usual suspects were already running interference even as it was happening and pushing the Big Lie.

This country has a fascist problem.

I mean they already are deflecting to BLM and antifa. They literally have been saying it was a false flag operation, and for some reason dont want a investigation.

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I just wish they'd stop acting like it's even a bad thing, when in reality, it's the best thing that could have happened for a lot of them, and they love that it happened. They'll be bringing it up to win arguments for years to come.

Did bring out a lot of neo patriots, though.

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I think it was pretty dark when citizens literally forced people into slavery.

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that was the worst day ever. broke my heart. i am still hurting.

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We were lucky the insurrectionists were incompetent. So no it was not our darkest day.

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jon1012 posted...

I think it was pretty dark when citizens literally forced people into slavery.

THIS! Throughout this whole topic had some people literally calling me a Trump supporter and what not cause I didnt agree it was the darkest day when people who looked like me were tortured on plantations, amongst other atrocities such as internment camps during WW2, Jim Crow, Tulsa Race Bombing of 2021, etc

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DeroIin posted...

THIS! Throughout this whole topic had some people literally calling me a Trump supporter and what not cause I didnt agree it was the darkest day when people who looked like me were tortured on plantations, amongst other atrocities such as internment camps during WW2, Jim Crow, Tulsa Race Bombing of 2021, etc

What? Only one post ever quoted you.

I wouldn't call it "darkest day" it was a bunch of idiots that had no chance of accomplishing whatever they wanted to accomplish.

However, fuck them and fuck Donald J Trump for fanning the flames to lead to that bullshit.

I never had a huge hate boner for him as President, but fuck him after that day.

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ButteryMales posted...

What? Only one post ever quoted you.

Shows you the topic was never made in good faith.

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Heineken14 posted...

It's insane people are still trying to downplay what exactly happened on the 6th because it makes them uncomfortable they supported the shit leading up to it. I mean, that's really the only logical reason I can fathom of why someone would think an attempted overthrowing of the government by the literal president supported by 100+ Congressman isn't that big of a deal.

The inverse of this statement is literally the truth. If you werent seething with such visceral hatred for donald trump you would not be making the absolute lunatic comparison of 1/6 to 9/11. In its scale, severity, significance or implications. It is only partisanship of the highest possible order that could allow someone to argue this point.

LightHawKnight posted...

I mean they already are deflecting to BLM and antifa. They literally have been saying it was a false flag operation, and for some reason dont want a investigation.

Idk about any false flag bullshit but I dont think its unfair in the least to look at the difference in how people across main stream and social media reacted to 1/6 vs what took place last summer. Is it really more horrifying that a bunch of frat bro rednecks vandalized the capitol than it is that basically all our major institutions turned a blind eye/made excuses for the most insane, widespread and violent civil unrest that has ever happened in this country since the goddamn civil war? Like is no one else struck by the hypocrisy there? Are we just running operation gaslight non stop until it gets washed away by the sands of time? protect the narrative, truth be damned?

Actually sorry for the triple post but id amend my previous statement to recognize that yes, the fact that the siege of the capitol happened as a direct result of a sitting president peddling objectively false bullshit because of a fragile ego is pretty bad. I stand by my broader point though.

theDean posted...

Actually sorry for the triple post but id amend my previous statement to recognize that yes, the fact that the siege of the capitol happened as a direct result of a sitting president peddling objectively false bullshit because of a fragile ego is pretty bad. I stand by my broader point though.

We've had worse uprisings caused by police brutality over the last century. Because that's an actual problem that's been getting people killed and incarcerated since the Wilson admin at least. When the frustration builds to a certain level, it's just what happens. And largely peaceful protests were occurring all over the country at the same time as well.

Compare that to a fascist uprising based entirely on a lie. It doesn't take a grand conspiracy to see why the reaction was different. Just look at what would have happened if each group had gotten its way. One wanted an end to police brutality and racism. The other wanted a President who lost an election to rule for life. No comparison.

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The Popo posted...

Possibly the darkest day since 9/11

Not even close. Even if you somehow want to exclude terrorist attacks resulting in civilian casualties for some bizarre reason (Boston Bombing, Pulse Nightclub Shooting, etc) and an abdication to mob rule in some cities following massive riots, these have been a dismal 20 years that have included various government buildings being seized for far longer than the capitol riots took over the capitol building. In many ways, the capitol riots were a natural progression of our increasingly lawless culture where law enforcement has repeatedly stood down in the face of riots.

Of course, the darkest days in US history following 9/11 might have been when we Edward Snowden risked his life (and evaded subsequent assassination attempts) to break the news that the US government had been using PRISM to spy on *all* Americans and Obama was like, "So what?", and the issue dropped right there. That was probably the day I realized America (and maybe the world as well) was so very, very fucked and there's likely no coming back.

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Not our darkest day, but one of our worst since November 8, 2016.

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theDean posted...

The inverse of this statement is literally the truth.

No it isn't.
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theDean posted...

Idk about any false flag bullshit but I dont think its unfair in the least to look at the difference in how people across main stream and social media reacted to 1/6 vs what took place last summer. Is it really more horrifying that a bunch of frat bro rednecks vandalized the capitol than it is that basically all our major institutions turned a blind eye/made excuses for the most insane, widespread and violent civil unrest that has ever happened in this country since the goddamn civil war? Like is no one else struck by the hypocrisy there? Are we just running operation gaslight non stop until it gets washed away by the sands of time? protect the narrative, truth be damned?

Apparently peaceful protests over racism is the same thing as literally trying to kill politicians and to literally destroy whats left of democracy to install the loser as president.

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theDean posted...

Idk about any false flag bullshit but I dont think its unfair in the least to look at the difference in how people across main stream and social media reacted to 1/6 vs what took place last summer. Is it really more horrifying that a bunch of frat bro rednecks vandalized the capitol than it is that basically all our major institutions turned a blind eye/made excuses for the most insane, widespread and violent civil unrest that has ever happened in this country since the goddamn civil war? Like is no one else struck by the hypocrisy there? Are we just running operation gaslight non stop until it gets washed away by the sands of time? protect the narrative, truth be damned?

There is a difference between peaceful civil unrest over police brutality with the occasional riot thrown in, and a specific event with the sole intention of overthrowing a fair election and harming elected officials because you are mad at the results.

Are you going to argue that the Civil Rights Movement was no different than football hooliganism too? Becuase both had some people causing property damage?

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It almost was

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Slaya4 posted...

I wouldn't call it "darkest day" it was a bunch of idiots that had no chance of accomplishing whatever they wanted to accomplish.

However, fuck them and fuck Donald J Trump for fanning the flames to lead to that bullshit.

I never had a huge hate boner for him as President, but fuck him after that day.

I'd say they were extremely successful. Republicans are suppressing voting across the country with lots of support, and those Q-type politicians stand poised to gain lots of political power in the next few years. We could very well cite 1/6 as the day America fell in the history books, but not the American history books since those will be suppressed. You'd have to find them in the ruins of America anyway.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'd say they were extremely successful. Republicans are suppressing voting across the country with lots of support, and those Q-type politicians stand poised to gain lots of political power in the next few years. We could very well cite 1/6 as the day America fell in the history books, but not the American history books since those will be suppressed. You'd have to find them in the ruins of America anyway.

gop isn't suppressing voters because people rioted at the capitol

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AlphaCuck posted...

gop isn't suppressing voters because people rioted at the capitol

They influence each other and are both caused by the same thing: the idea among white conservative Christians that America is their country alone and should do what they want, and any other outcome is illegitimate and should be prevented from happening.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Apparently peaceful protests over racism is the same thing as literally trying to kill politicians and to literally destroy whats left of democracy to install the loser as president.

Er, not the peaceful protests, those were fine. People are talking about the rioters, arsonists, and looters that were prevalent at that time. I do think its as bad as the people who went to the capital, however the difference is that Trump encouraged the capital riot, which is inexcusable, whereas Biden or somebody did not encourage people to take to the streets and burn buildings (in fact he discouraged the rioting as inexcusable)

It doesn't make 1/6 some horrible dark day any worse than the riots, it just makes Trump awful, which we already knew

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HHH is the game posted...

Er, not the peaceful protests, those were fine. People are talking about the rioters, arsonists, and looters that were prevalent at that time. I do think its as bad as the people who went to the capital, however the difference is that Trump encouraged the capital riot, which is inexcusable, whereas Biden or somebody did not encourage people to take to the streets and burn buildings (in fact he discouraged the rioting as inexcusable)

It doesn't make 1/6 some horrible dark day any worse than the riots, it just makes Trump awful, which we already knew

We're not comparing riots to riots, we're comparing largely peaceful protests about a persistent injustice to an attempt to overturn the results of an election with intimidation and violence. It was not a typical riot. It was somewhere between this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis

and this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Rome


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LightHawKnight posted...

Apparently peaceful protests over racism is the same thing as literally trying to kill politicians and to literally destroy whats left of democracy to install the loser as president.

hockeybub89 posted...

There is a difference between peaceful civil unrest over police brutality with the occasional riot thrown in, and a specific event with the sole intention of overthrowing a fair election and harming elected officials because you are mad at the results.

Are you going to argue that the Civil Rights Movement was no different than football hooliganism too? Becuase both had some people causing property damage?

First of all the way youre both using peaceful in these statements completely and utterly robs the word of its meaning. You could replace the word peaceful with the word bookshelf and these statements would hold the same level of factual accuracy.

Second, again, we spent 4 years watching a large chunk of the left leaning population drag the entire nation into bookshelf civil unrest because they refused to honor - i.e. wanted to overturn - the 2016 election results. I refuse to be gaslit on this point. I was alive, I was there, I have functioning eyes and ears.

To any and all points about the bookshelf civil unrest being in the name of the greater righteousness of ending racism and police brutality: I saw footage of a group of people beating the shit out of a defenseless old man and cracking his head open with a fucking brick because he was holding an American flag. Those people, inside their confused minds, were absolutely convinced of their own righteousness. They believed themselves to be on the front lines in the fight against racism, fascism, tyranny, whatever. I dont give one single fuck about what someone says they are, if theyre on the side of violence, intimidation, or making excuses for same and refusing to address it plainly for what it is, those people are not the good guys. And im sorry to say, if you want to maintain this mentality of protect the narrative at all costs, then you are not the good guys either, sorry. i yield my time.

theDean posted...

Second, again, we spent 4 years watching a large chunk of the left leaning population drag the entire nation into bookshelf civil unrest because they refused to honor - i.e. wanted to overturn - the 2016 election results. I refuse to be gaslit on this point. I was alive, I was there, I have functioning eyes and ears.

but apparently only use them to watch and listen to propaganda

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legendary_zell posted...

We're not comparing riots to riots, we're comparing largely peaceful protests about a persistent injustice to an attempt to overturn the results of an election with intimidation and violence. It was not a typical riot. It was somewhere between this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_February_1934_crisis

and this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Rome

Again dude using this water-tight logic what happened on 1/6 was objectively mostly peaceful. In fact each instance of violence lasted a mere handful of minutes compared with the entire 24 hour cycle of the day, and only about 2% of the entire crowd actually did anything violent at all. By these metrics 1/6 was actually a full 4% more peaceful than the bookshelf summer unrest of 2020.