Current Events > Americans fight back: employees are quitting instead of giving up WFH

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Was she going to try to work while taking care of the baby? My wife and I tried that for a month last year. It could maybe work if you're both part time, but if you're full time it's not possible.

Her job is pretty casual and a few of her coworkers were able to make it work with newborns so we were at least gonna give it a shot

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Work from home kills a lot of construction projects. Thus killing tons of jobs. But no one would care about that.

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chrono625 posted...

Work from home kills a lot of construction projects. Thus killing tons of jobs. But no one would care about that.

Lumber prices are through the roof because of all the new construction

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Balrog0 posted...

Lumber prices are through the roof because of all the new construction

not really - lumber prices are through the roof because of supply chain issues still being corrected from covid shutting a lot of services down.

source: in construction and deal with this shit EVERY DAY.

and even if that were true - my main line of work is commercial renovation where many of these companies in big cities work in big buildings where lumber isnt used.

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My company is never going to require it, and I moved to Texas so its not like I could go back the office anyways.
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littlebro07 posted...

Her job is pretty casual and a few of her coworkers were able to make it work with newborns so we were at least gonna give it a shot

For the love of god do not do this

You will either get no work done, or not pay nearly enough attention to your kid

Get childcare.
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g980 posted...

For the love of god do not do this

You will either get no work done, or not pay nearly enough attention to your kid

Get childcare.

She literally only works for like 2 or 3 hours a day even though shes salaried. Most of the time working in the office is just spent sitting around waiting for shit to do, which is why her coworkers were able to do it.

If she was actually busy the full day or even most of the day then we wouldnt even consider it

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littlebro07 posted...

She literally only works for like 2 or 3 hours a day even though shes salaried. Most of the time working in the office is just spent sitting around waiting for shit to do, which is why her coworkers were able to do it.

If she was actually busy the full day or even most of the day then we wouldnt even consider it

Can I have her job?

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Most white collar workers realized they were commuting for no reason so now they no longer want to waste their lives commuting for no reason.

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Most of the people that work under me are opting to come back in. We gave them the option and lots are feeling pretty isolated. Theyre at least planning on a hybrid type of situation. Idc either way as long as their work gets done. I like the extra company in the office, but as far as actual production either way is fine. We were planning on just shopping around for a smaller building if most were staying wfh

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I will if they try to make me go back. There's no reason I can't do this shitty call center job I do from home.

Good shit

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g980 posted...

TheRealDill2K4 posted...

How can any manager trust that you're actually working at home? I understand why people want a return to the office environment.

I mean there should be some measurable results from your work they can track (whether you wfh or not)

It's far easier for me to walk to someone's desk and ask questions than it is to get updates through other means.
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Everyone i know who has young kids will have their damn baby in the room while on conference calls. Every damn meeting there was someone stepping away or basically mute and not saying anything.

Our company required videocameras to be on at all times but there were still people who wouldnt use them and it would irritate the **** out of management.

When you're remote youre not locked in 100% into the company. Youre doing laundry, cutting the grass, taking care of children who should probably be in daycare etc

teddy241 posted...

Everyone i know who has young kids will have their damn baby in the room while on conference calls. Every damn meeting there was someone stepping away or basically mute and not saying anything.

Our company required videocameras to be on at all times but there were still people who wouldnt use them and it would irritate the **** out of management.

When you're remote youre not locked in 100% into the company. Youre doing laundry, cutting the grass, taking care of children who should probably be in daycare etc

And if you're getting your work done, why should that matter?

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Being 100% locked into a company aint a great thing, tbh

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

teddy241 posted...

Everyone i know who has young kids will have their damn baby in the room while on conference calls. Every damn meeting there was someone stepping away or basically mute and not saying anything.

Our company required videocameras to be on at all times but there were still people who wouldnt use them and it would irritate the **** out of management.

When you're remote youre not locked in 100% into the company. Youre doing laundry, cutting the grass, taking care of children who should probably be in daycare etc

And if you're getting your work done, why should that matter?

If a person is on the clock, there's always more they can contribute beyond their basic duties.
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TheRealDill2K4 posted...

How can any manager trust that you're actually working at home? I understand why people want a return to the office environment.

There is no functional difference between shitposting at home and shitposting at the office, apart from the commute to get there, and the inability to start laundry between meetings.

TheRealDill2K4 posted...

If a person is on the clock, there's always more they can contribute beyond their basic duties.

If that person's manager thinks they don't have enough work to do then they should give them more work. It's not the job of the employee to find something more to contribute.

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TheRealDill2K4 posted...

If a person is on the clock, there's always more they can contribute beyond their basic duties.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

And if you're getting your work done, why should that matter?

depends on what getting your work done actually means. Id imagine the distraction of having to take care of your child would impact the quality of work. As seen by people having to step away from meetings to tend to their family during work hours.

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teddy241 posted...

Everyone i know who has young kids will have their damn baby in the room while on conference calls. Every damn meeting there was someone stepping away or basically mute and not saying anything.

Our company required videocameras to be on at all times but there were still people who wouldnt use them and it would irritate the **** out of management.

When you're remote youre not locked in 100% into the company. Youre doing laundry, cutting the grass, taking care of children who should probably be in daycare etc

here is the thing though:

If your productivity is at 100% in the office and at 100% or even more at home, who cares if you're doing laundry or cutting the grass too?

As for the assholes bringing their babies into zoom meetings, yes, fuck them, those are the kind of idiots that cause the this is why you can't have nice things phrase

matchboxsantana posted...

As for the assholes bringing their babies into zoom meetings, yes, fuck them

Obligatory that Folgers ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PbHiHVWQM

matchboxsantana posted...

here is the thing though:

If your productivity is at 100% in the office and at 100% or even more at home, who cares if you're doing laundry or cutting the grass too?

As for the assholes bringing their babies into zoom meetings, yes, fuck them, those are the kind of idiots that cause the this is why you can't have nice things phrase

I get what youre saying - but look at it from the person whos cutting your paychecks point of view. Theyre paying you to do a job, that job description isnt 3 hours of work for the company then the rest is divided amongst your personal chores at home.

Thats why many companies would rather you sit at a cubicle or come to the office for 8 hours and do the same amount of work than sit home and do the work your getting paid for on top of knocking off personal projects.

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Shouldnt corporations like this? Youre saving money on a building? Less HR issues and a bunch of other cost cutting stuff

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chrono625 posted...

not really - lumber prices are through the roof because of supply chain issues still being corrected from covid shutting a lot of services down.

source: in construction and deal with this shit EVERY DAY.

and even if that were true - my main line of work is commercial renovation where many of these companies in big cities work in big buildings where lumber isnt used.

I thought it was both, at least that's what I heard. When the pandemic hit, producers scaled back production because they foresaw a huge decline in demand. But millions of people with a lot of extra cash from spending all their time at home decided they needed to upgrade their crappy homes.

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darkprince45 posted...

Shouldnt corporations like this? Youre saving money on a building? Less HR issues and a bunch of other cost cutting stuff

They should.

In fact there is probably now a market to be filled by companies who are willing to let their employees work from home. Less expenses from offices and happier employees = more profit and higher stock prices.

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darkprince45 posted...

Shouldnt corporations like this? Youre saving money on a building? Less HR issues and a bunch of other cost cutting stuff

But they cant exert their authority as strongly over the lowest people on the totem pole

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mustachedmystic posted...

I thought it was both, at least that's what I heard. When the pandemic hit, producers scaled back production because they foresaw a huge decline in demand. But millions of people with a lot of extra cash from spending all their time at home decided they needed to upgrade their crappy homes.

it was kind of give and take because many people were being laid off and who knew how long this would last.

supply went down because fabricators were getting stuck with materials because they couldnt move them out of their mills/factories. Trucking and transportation chains were all disrupted for months.


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Good, working from home has honestly been the best work experience I've ever had in my life. Going to the office is a pointless waste of time and last year proved that. My work place won't let most people work from home 100% when we go back, though. I'm not looking forward to going in even if it's only going to be once a week now.

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chrono625 posted...

I get what youre saying - but look at it from the person whos cutting your paychecks point of view. Theyre paying you to do a job, that job description isnt 3 hours of work for the company then the rest is divided amongst your personal chores at home.

Thats why many companies would rather you sit at a cubicle or come to the office for 8 hours and do the same amount of work than sit home and do the work your getting paid for on top of knocking off personal projects.

Theoretically you get paid for a specific objective, such as flipping a specific number of burgers, or completing a specific number of corporate financial statements or whatever. Or you get paid by the hour, case in which you get paid (theoretically) for 8 hours of work.

If you squeeze 15 minutes of laundry and a 10 minute walk in between certain activities but you still reviewed (correctly) the same number of financial statements or higher, or you still worked 8 hours, why mind?

It sounds more like the employers want suffering and control.

I'm being called back next week on a partial WFH schedule, which is likely not going to be a long-term thing. Fucking sucks because there is 100% no reason to make most employees come back. People have proven over the past year that it's more than possible to productively WFH. If they're so worried about it, then make it a "privilege" and determine who is qualified going off of their yearly review.

It's proving pretty difficult to find a fully remote job, whether it's with a local company our out of state. I'm guessing my skillset just sucks.

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matchboxsantana posted...

It sounds more like the employers want suffering and control.

At my office we literally had a girl who would take naps at her desk and they wouldn't fire her, but they didn't want to allow the productive employees to work from home during Covid.

Bunch of people quit. These employers and managers have totally lost their minds.

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darkprince45 posted...

Shouldnt corporations like this? Youre saving money on a building? Less HR issues and a bunch of other cost cutting stuff

Some companies locked themselves into long term leases prior to the pandemic and are kicking themselves that they have to pay for all that space that isnt being used. That, to me, is the only reason why a company would be pushing so hard for a return to the office.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

TheRealDill2K4 posted...

If a person is on the clock, there's always more they can contribute beyond their basic duties.

If that person's manager thinks they don't have enough work to do then they should give them more work. It's not the job of the employee to find something more to contribute.

At my workplace, people with that mindset get reduced (if any) raises and don't get promoted.
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Gonna be seeing a lot more hot tub streams on Twitch now.

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TheRealDill2K4 posted...

At my workplace, people with that mindset get reduced (if any) raises and don't get promoted.

And that's their choice. If an employee wants to do more work then great, reward them. If they just want to do the bare minimum, then that's great too.

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https://youtu.be/YdXQJS3Yv0Y

Just replace war with work

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TheRealDill2K4 posted...

At my workplace, people with that mindset get reduced (if any) raises and don't get promoted.

Well in my experience most of these "hustlers" spend more time chitchatting than getting shit done.

The productive workers aren't nervous about WFH.
Mid tier managers and bullshitters are getting very nervous.

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RealDill sounds like some middle management tool that makes less money than his employees and has no hobbies/identity outside of his unfulfilling job. On the rare occasion he talks to a member of the opposite sex, work is probably the only thing he can think of to talk about, which immediately kills the conversation flat.

EnglishBullDoug posted...

RealDill sounds like some middle management tool that makes less money than his employees and has no hobbies/identity outside of his unfulfilling job. On the rare occasion he talks to a member of the opposite sex, work is probably the only thing he can think of to talk about, which immediately kills the conversation flat.

realdill doesn't have a job.

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WashYourHands posted...

If your job can be completed at home and you prove that you can get the same work accomplished at home as you do at the office then why wouldnt a company be happy about that, they could downsize their headquarters and save a bunch.

Because then management wouldn't have anything to do and we can't have that can we?

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SothaSil posted...

realdill doesn't have a job.

You can tell he definitely wants that though

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My company wants me to return at the end of the month.

EnglishBullDoug posted...

RealDill sounds like some middle management tool that makes less money than his employees and has no hobbies/identity outside of his unfulfilling job. On the rare occasion he talks to a member of the opposite sex, work is probably the only thing he can think of to talk about, which immediately kills the conversation flat.

WTF. Do you know my real identity? Did (or do) we work together?
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EnglishBullDoug posted...

RealDill sounds like some middle management tool that makes less money than his employees and has no hobbies/identity outside of his unfulfilling job. On the rare occasion he talks to a member of the opposite sex, work is probably the only thing he can think of to talk about, which immediately kills the conversation flat.

Hes just trying to be as funny as DifferentialEquation was but he puts in 0 effort and just posts the most trolling thing possible.
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ShadowElite86 posted...

I'm being called back next week on a partial WFH schedule, which is likely not going to be a long-term thing. Fucking sucks because there is 100% no reason to make most employees come back. People have proven over the past year that it's more than possible to productively WFH. If they're so worried about it, then make it a "privilege" and determine who is qualified going off of their yearly review.

It's proving pretty difficult to find a fully remote job, whether it's with a local company our out of state. I'm guessing my skillset just sucks.

@ShadowElite86 what do you do for work?

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BignutzisBack posted...

@ShadowElite86 what do you do for work?

IT Asset Management (ITAM). I don't ever find many jobs in the field but I apply to purchasing, supply chain, etc. as it shares similar skillsets.

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I'm tempted to quit because of having to move back into the city my company's at just for work, but it's a freelancer market and being an actual hired employee rather than a contractor seems pretty rare in my line of work and I don't wanna give up my benefits lmao

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