Current Events > Should people who already had a diagnosed case of COVID still get vaccinated?

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Yeah.

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Bump

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I did... Im still here

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why shouldn't they?

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if that is what they want to do, sure

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not sure why tc acts like this is something for ce to speculate about when there are already clear sensible recommendations concerning prior diagnoses

it's like asking "should the vaccines be approved"

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They already have the antibodies so it wouldn't be necessary.

No, they already have antibodies. Don't waste your time.

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No since they already have the antibodies its actually taking from someone who legitimately needs the vaccine

Heard they get even more of an immunity

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Yes they should. Its still recommended. I think there may be some evidence that they may only need 1 shot instead of 2 but thats still developing.


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The vaccine provides immunity over a large range of variants while you're just going to have immunity to the variant you recovered from.

Bleuets posted...

No since they already have the antibodies its actually taking from someone who legitimately needs the vaccine

In the U.S. supply vastly outweighs demand.

Do you guys think antibodies are permanent...?
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Depends on the person

General rule of thumb is 1/3 has antibodies for 3 months, 1/3 has it for 3 month to 6 months, and 1/3 is 6 months+

The research is still out of their immune response is adequate dispite their levels.

I got sick, but I'm not gonna bother getting a vaccine unless a variant gets heated up for real for real

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No_U_L7 posted...

Do you guys think antibodies are permanent...?

yes, and as effective as vaccine. so it's no different than getting the vaccine, in other words it's redundant. if you got the antibodies, you got them the same way regardless. Nature published about it a day or two ago

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

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metallica846 posted...

All Joe topics are traps now so Im skeptical. This is to get the liberal hive mind talking so that he can pull the rug for the real question!

Yeah, I'm genuinely interested to see what the "gotcha" is gonna be this time.

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Both studies published in May suggest that individuals who were infected with COVID-19 and got the vaccine could have immunity against the virus, plus variants, for years.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/immunity-to-covid-19-could-last-for-years-new-studies-suggest

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to be safe? yes.

simply put the consensus is still up in the air about the antibody response strength for people that actually had the virus. because of the way the immune system works, its quite possible that the antibody response to a covid infection essentially took a shotgun approach and up-selected a bunch of antibodies with weak affinity for the virus or a short half life. means they might not be very good at stopping another infection before you get seriously ill, or that they might degrade within months.

as such it makes sense to get everyone a shot. if, after the first shot, you have a strong reaction theres a good chance you dont need the second, but it wont hurt you to get it.

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Not for at least 3 months after getting the virus.

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BilalPowell posted...

Not for at least 3 months after getting the virus.

This is what I did, fully vaxed now

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monkmith posted...

to be safe? yes.

simply put the consensus is still up in the air about the antibody response strength for people that actually had the virus. because of the way the immune system works, its quite possible that the antibody response to a covid infection essentially took a shotgun approach and up-selected a bunch of antibodies with weak affinity for the virus or a short half life. means they might not be very good at stopping another infection before you get seriously ill, or that they might degrade within months.

as such it makes sense to get everyone a shot. if, after the first shot, you have a strong reaction theres a good chance you dont need the second, but it wont hurt you to get it.

Agree with this. Knowing what I've studied in virology and applying common sense I can say it's very likely that a natural infection will produce much stronger and longer lasting anti-bodies. You may likely however, still see some benefit from the vaccine because it will probably replicate the immunity of a slightly different variant altogether giving you a broader spectrum of immunity, if you will. Even if it's not an actual "variant" per say, a virus constantly changes as it spreads through the herd so it will still almost certainly be "different" enough from the strain you caught to see at least a trace of benefits, which can't be a bad thing.

This next bit I have to say is just educated-guess speculation: but I wouldn't be surprised if you make your body think it was infected twice; that by itself could very well could be a primer to significantly enhance the immunity just from a self-preservation POV. It might think hey, I got sick even with these heavy anti-bodies? I better work harder and double or even triple up the protection. Again, just speculation but common sense says it's quite plausible.

monkmith posted...

to be safe? yes.

simply put the consensus is still up in the air about the antibody response strength for people that actually had the virus. because of the way the immune system works, its quite possible that the antibody response to a covid infection essentially took a shotgun approach and up-selected a bunch of antibodies with weak affinity for the virus or a short half life. means they might not be very good at stopping another infection before you get seriously ill, or that they might degrade within months.

as such it makes sense to get everyone a shot. if, after the first shot, you have a strong reaction theres a good chance you dont need the second, but it wont hurt you to get it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

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pure_temper posted...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.

Ellebedys team has observed early signs that Pfizers mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. My presumption is, we will need a booster.

ButteryMales posted...

Ellebedys team has observed early signs that Pfizers mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. My presumption is, we will need a booster.

We dont know yet if antibodies from either source will need boosters, time will tell since we havent had 5-10 years yet to see what happens. That is just a guess at this time, it could be the case that antibodies will last long enough that herd immunity is already here and its basically just another cold. They were saying itd turn into another cold.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/coronavirus-immunity-future.html

seems like itll be a thing where most people will have something like the flu shot available to them if they fall into a high risk population, and everyone else has herd immunity and antibodies from asymptomatic or mild cases on and off like the cold.

edit: but as of right now having any antibodies is basically the same amount of protection lol

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