Poll of the Day > i accidentally started mass effect andromeda instead of mass effect legendary

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man my xbox just screamed at me like i was killing it

i'm sorry

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Sleepy Joe at it again

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mass effect andromeda lmao

RIP to your love of the franchise

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Mass effect andromeda is definitely my last mega gaming disappointment.

I honestly cant think of any one bigger for myself, personally.

maybe assassins creed 3, that shit was fucking awful

so i loaded into a planet because, why not

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BrownHealthyArctichare-mobile.mp4

why

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That looks like dbz budakai

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how


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I had more fun playing Andromeda than any of the games in the trilogy

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Joe_Biden posted...

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how

It looks like cel shaded kinda

SaltyAndSweet posted...

I had more fun playing Andromeda than any of the games in the trilogy

you're lying

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Andromeda wasn't even that bad. I was actually looking forward to the sequel.

SaltyAndSweet posted...

I had more fun playing Andromeda than any of the games in the trilogy

get the fuck out of here

Joe_Biden posted...

you're lying

It easily has the best gameplay, and the characters are great

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SaltyAndSweet posted...

It easily has the best gameplay, and the characters are great

MICHALECOLE posted...

get the fuck out of here

SaltyAndSweet posted...

It easily has the best gameplay, and the characters are great

Joe_Biden posted...

you're lying

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Mead is on drugs.

the characters are the worst in the series, thats what makes the game so bad. I can handle a few technical issues if I actually cared about the characters. They were just awful.

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i am actually going to play andromeda after i finish 3

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great space magic combat.

peebee > liara
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c06ow9Qe5b8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fRuoMIfpw

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hahaha vefa was voiced by freddie prinz jr

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Andromeda wasn't even that bad. I was actually looking forward to the sequel.

This.

Once the fuckton of bugs were patched, it wasn't a terrible game. It was just a relatively mediocre game that couldn't live up to the expectations the Mass Effect franchise had built up. If it had been released as a generic space adventure story that was totally unconnected to Mass Effect (and obviously, if it hadn't been a buggy mess at launch), people probably would have been much more positive about it.

I was more than willing to buy a theoretical Andromeda 2. Though now I assume we'll never, ever see one. Which is a shame, because I honestly don't see how they can possibly continue the franchise in any other way without pissing a LOT of people off, and I can't imagine a scenario where EA decides that they're fine with no more ME games.

People say they want ME4 with more Shepard, but I feel like that can't be anything other than terrible. Skipping ahead hundreds of years will effectively just be another reboot (and will feel like a massive cop-out when they have to invalidate whatever ending you picked for ME3 for it to work), and doing a "prelude" taking place before ME1 (maybe even in a previous cycle) will feel too alien because you won't realistically be able to have humans in it (unless you tuck something in between First Contact and ME1 - but that feels more like a side-story than a major game plot). It doesn't even feel like they can pull another Andromeda ("There was actually ANOTHER Initiative secretly planning to colonize the Triangulum Galaxy!"), because that feels like it would be a HUGE cop-out.

Andromeda was pretty much the only way they could continue ME effectively, and they fucked it up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-Ctg6k_Ao

did you even know that this exists

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Joe_Biden posted...

did you even know that this exists

Yes.

But until I see otherwise, I'm still firmly convinced that video was just nostalgia masturbation, and no one at Bioware actually has any idea what the plot of a future ME game would be (yet). And they were mostly just using it to test the waters to see if people still wanted more ME after the past few PR nightmares.

It also doesn't really contradict a single thing I said. No matter what route they wind up taking, it's going to wind up pissing off a massive swath of the potential fanbase.

Essentially, if you go the post-ME3 route, you have to pick one ME ending to be canon, or you have to pull the bullshit card where they're all technically "canon" but events of the new game completely cancel out the differences between those endings in the first 30 minutes. Or you have to pull the even more bullshit Deus Ex: Invisible War scenario where all three endings are somehow canon simultaneously. Then you either have to write the new game in a way where you literally never see any fallout from the Krogan cure and Quarian/Geth scenario outcomes (and just have people offhandedly reference them in one line of dialogue that changes based on your prior choices), or you have to choose canon outcomes for those as well (and people are already complaining that their past choices didn't matter - forcing them into a narrative where 80% of the major choices are decided for you and all of your choices and scenarios are meaningless isn't likely to endear the audience to the new game).

And then, once you've dealt with those issues, you have the added issue of coming up with a new threat that is plausible and doesn't feel like a rehash. Have Shepard survive ME3 and be found almost immediately afterward, and you're stuck in a setting where the galaxy is still mostly smashed and a new galaxy-wide threat showing up is going to feel like an asspull that destroys suspension of disbelief. Say Shepard was found but was in suspended animation for a few centuries, and you can reset the setting, but now most of your beloved NPCs are going to be dead (apart from Liara), and Shepard starts feeling really out of place. And that's not even getting into how annoyed people are going to be if it turns out that Shepard winds up being a clone or an AI or some other duplicated version of the original character rather than the original character.

Of course, you could just leave Shepard dead and go with a new protagonist, but a fair amount of the complaints about Andromeda were "Who are these idiots? I want to play as Shepard." And fuck, people STILL won't shut the fuck up about wanting to play as the Warden again in Dragon Age in spite of the entire point of that series being constantly changing protagonists. So that's a hard sell.

ME4 is pretty much doomed to have like 80% of the past fans HATING it before it's ever even released and they can even play it ("What do you mean my Control ending with the Krogan and Quarians dead isn't canon?! Fuck you Bioware!")

Plus, having seen the last few games out of Bioware, I'm not sure the company is even capable of coming up with a story/game that anyone's going to like. We're more likely to get another Andromeda or Anthem than we are ME1-3. The people who made the original ME games don't really work there anymore.
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pretty much the entire reason for the remasters is so you can transfer a save to the new game.

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That's not even remotely the reason for the remasters.
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that is absolutely the reason for them

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It's really not.

Honestly, at this point, we'll be lucky if a new game uploads saves at all, and we don't get something like Dragon Age Keep instead. Because that's what EA actually wants.
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too bad m8, since the me3 saves keep track of tons of shit for entirely no reason other than to carry it over to another game

and since that's not actually possible to transfer saves from two gens ago to current gen, and since the literal teaser trailer for the next game has liara in it which means we're back to shepard, hey look we got a current gen version of the games complete with saves in each game that track even MORE shit than before for...well now i wonder just what the reason for that would be, especially considering, like you said, people would be upset that they can't have their shepard anymore in a game where you play as shepard.

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Or you could have major choices in ME 1 that barely got any traction in the future games Saving the Rachni is one major example.
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Andromeda was a fun game.

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Joe_Biden posted...

people would be upset

theres no scenario where this wont be the case

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Andromeda was a fun game.

It was a fun shooter

it was not a fun game for a mass effect entry

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Joe_Biden posted...

too bad m8, since the me3 saves keep track of tons of shit for entirely no reason other than to carry it over to another game

So did DA2. And that didn't matter in the slightest when they decided that DA:I wasn't going to read saves, but they were going to make you jump through ridiculous hoops and make an account on a separate website to "rebuild" your world-state by answering questions about what you did and didn't do. Because fuck you, that's why.

If anything, it's way easier for them that way even if it's annoying as hell for players - people at Bioware have mentioned in the past that the way their games keep track of flags isn't always useful to them (conflicting flags can screw things up, they can actually forget how certain flags were coded, etc), and there've been multiple bugs with flags even in ME (something Conrad refers to at one point, since he basically becomes their main way of breaking the fourth wall to make fun of themselves in-game). Basically, it's definitely easier for them to just simplify the whole process by wiping the whole thing clean and starting fresh.

And even if they don't do a "Mass Effect Keep" (Mass Effect Armory?), they could still easily do a Mass Effect: Genesis-style intro for the game to give you the opportunity to check off specific world states. Or do what KotOR2 or Witcher 3 did, and have a scene where you answer questions in dialogue at the start of the game. Which, it's worth noting, ME2 had to do as well (because ME1 screwed up how the end-game flags were recorded, so again, flags aren't necessarily considered sacrosanct).

Though realistically, there's a good chance they'll try to write the new story in a way that ignores every major event/choice from the first three games, because people at Bioware have also said that the biggest problem with in-game choice is that it generates too many different possible outcomes that require far too much variation in new games, so at a certain point retaining old flags makes it extremely difficult to actually write new content. At most you might get a "So, did Shepard go for Destroy, Control, or Synthesis? Did they cure the Krogan or not?" handful of flags that get retained. Or you might get the massive retcon where they basically tell you "No, this is the canon outcome, suck it up."

Especially since the differences between Destroy/Control/Synthesis alone would pretty much require you to either write/program three entirely different versions of a game, or ignore the entire impact of the final choice ("Oh, Shepard picked Synthesis, but it wore off after a week, then the Reapers died, and it turns out there was a hidden Cerberus lab where they cloned Shepard with all of Shepard's memories intact, so now Shepard's back in spite of vaporizing in the ending").

Like it or not, the real answer to why they released the remaster is "So they could make a ton more money exploiting people's nostalgia without having to do a ton more work." It's much, much easier to upscale older games to newer systems than it is to have a full team working on a new game entirely. Even with minor tweaks or adjustments here and there.



Joe_Biden posted...

and since the literal teaser trailer for the next game has liara in it which means we're back to shepard,

To be fair, even that's supposition more than actual fact - they could easily jump ahead 500 years and Liara's still around, but everyone else is dead. Plenty of games have pulled BS in their trailers that turns out to not be part of the actual game, and that teaser was pretty clearly designed to spur interest more than to sell an actual, finished game with a fully-established and written plot.

But even if we are back to Shepard, there's literally nothing that says they NEED past save states to do it. Again, plenty of other games have managed that sort of forward jump one way or another without needing a prior save.

Especially when you consider releasing a remaster for 8th gen consoles (PS4/Xbone) is utterly pointless in that regard, since by the time we see a potential ME4 it would almost certainly be coming out on 9th gen consoles (PS5/XS) exclusively, and your PS4/Xbone saves would be useless anyway.

And even if that wasn't an issue, there are going to be plenty of people who would say things like "Wait, you want me to buy all three games all over again, and then play through them all again, just so I can recreate my old Shepard? Fuck you, I don't care if those games were two generations ago, find a way to just read off my old saves." That was pretty much their rationale for going the Dragon Age Keep route (so you could upload PS3/360 saves and convert them to data the PS4/Xbone versions of the game could use).

With all the factors involved, and the fact that Bioware very much isn't the company it used to be (and most of the changes were for the worse), the only scenarios I see ever really playing out is they either give us a Mass Effect save-state website which creates a profile you can use for new games (a la Dragon Age Keep), or we get a motion comic/in-game scene that asks you questions to flag important choices (a la Mass Effect: Genesis).

Or if we're really unlucky, we'll get a shit phone app like Mass Effect:Infiltrator (or the GTAV iFruit app), though I kind of hope developers have learned their lesson and cut that crap out from now on. Because pretty much everyone seems to either hate or ignore them every time they've tried to integrate stuff that way.
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they don't have to read saves to do that, when I started 2 there was an option to just pick your choices then.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

they don't have to read saves to do that, when I started 2 there was an option to just pick your choices then.

You probably had the PS3 version, then.

ME1 was originally Xbox exclusive. When they released ME2 on PS3, no one would be able to carry over ME1 flags, so they created Mass Effect: Genesis to ask you questions about what you wanted Shepard to do in ME1, creating an artificial save state to start ME2 with.

Though that actually makes me think of something I've never really considered before. When they eventually came out with a version of ME1 for the PS3 years later, can you import endgame saves from that into the PS3 ME2? Or is the PS3 ME2 actually unable to look for/find ME1 saves because there was no reason for it to be able to do so when it originally came out?
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i always wondered that too

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i forgot that this game did weapons weirdly

like they tried giving things rarities like this was fuckin diablo or some shit

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who the fuck is this ambassador goyle chick

shouldn't it be ambassador udina

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why is the ship so small lmao

there's like no room in the cargo hold, at least that's how it appears from the outside in the scene where it lands, lowers the ramp, and people walk up and load shit. it just looks like you can't even fit a shuttle inside it

i'm positive it's going to be massive once you're in it, but from the outside? small.

edit: yup.

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Joe_Biden posted...

who the fuck is this ambassador goyle chick

shouldn't it be ambassador udina

She's Udina's predecessor. She gets mentioned in some of the books most people never read.

The flashback of her you see in ME:A comes from the point in time before Udina gets the job.
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there's books?

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Joe_Biden posted...

there's books?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Revelation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Ascension
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Retribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Deception

They reference them here and there in the games. They sell copies of two of them in the Citadel gift-shop in ME2, Kahlee Sanders showing up in ME3 and the Cerberus research logs that mention Grayson and the Quarians being pissed off at Cerberus are alluding to events in the books, and Kai Leng gets more backstory in the books (though it mostly makes him seem even lamer than he already does).

Mass Effect: Andromeda also had three tie-in novels itself - Nexus Uprising, Initiation, and Annihilation. Nexus Uprising gives the backstory of what happened during the (duh) Nexus Uprising, and gives a bit of characterization to Sloan that makes her seem like slightly less of a total shit. Initiation is backstory for Cora while the Initiative is still being established in the Milky Way before it launches. And Annihilation basically tells what actually happened to the Quarian ark and why it never showed up (which was supposed to lead into DLC for ME:A that got cancelled).
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how the fuck do you heal in this fucking game

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Joe_Biden posted...

how the fuck do you heal in this fucking game

Video games might be too difficult for you.

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prior games you just used medi-gel to heal

this game doesn't have that. you have to find health packs scattered around. it's stupid as hell.

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it would be so totally really cool if they went back and like, did a few updates to this game

like, they have everyone playing MELE now, and obviously they're going to get new players and new fans, and then they'll finish those games and be like "yo i want more. hey there is another mass effect, lets play it"

and then they're gonna play it and be like "yo wtf"

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the biotic combat in andromeda is way better than the trilogy
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https://youtu.be/_01Oh8eZmO4

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SaltyAndSweet posted...

Wow you really do complain about a lot of things

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