Current Events > Reminder that the PS1 kicked the N64's ass without floats

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Both had their pros and cons. Nothing beats having a party with 4 people for Smash, Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Diddy Kong Racing, something the PS1 lacked.

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Carts! Three-handed controller! A disc drive that sold roughly seventeen units!

People still play N64.

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MrDrMan posted...

People still play N64.

People still play PS1 games.

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nfearurspecimn posted...

People still play PS1 games.

No they dont. I can break out N64 with a bunch of people over and everyone is down.

Nobody wants to play PS1 anymore.


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Pretty crazy that for the past 25 years, the trend with Nintendo has been the same: Their first party games are great and worth owning the console for, but they barely have anything else. Just the occasional 1 or 2 gems from 3rd parties.

Started with the N64 and hasn't changed since.

But hey those meager 5 N64 games still hold up to this day, while most ps1 games... less so. Graphically, performance wise, loading times, cumbersome controls... be it jrpg or action adventure, most ps1 games are borderline unplayable if you're used to the modern era
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MrDrMan posted...

No they dont. I can break out N64 with a bunch of people over and everyone is down.

Nobody wants to play PS1 anymore.

The PS1 controller is decrepit and feels weird now. And yeah you're limited to two controllers, not to mention almost every single good game is available on PSN in some form or another.

No such luck with old nintendo games. I mean did they EVER re-release any of the n64 stuff?

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nfearurspecimn posted...

People still play PS1 games.

People still play..

final fantasy. Thats literally it.

ShyOx posted...

No such luck with old nintendo games. I mean did they EVER re-release any of the n64 stuff?

The N64 is one of the only Nintendo consoles where nearly everything worth playing (and it's not a lot) has been rereleased or remade in some form.

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You never heard of the PlayStation multitap adapter?

(greatest hits titles like silent hill & xenogears impossible to find for under $200) nobody wants to play freakin ps1 games anymore!!!!!
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nfearurspecimn posted...

Both had their pros and cons. Nothing beats having a party with 4 people for Smash, Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Diddy Kong Racing, something the PS1 lacked.

There was a multitap for ps1. I bet there are more 4 player games for ps1 and definitely more 5+ player games

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Balrog0 posted...

There was a multitap for ps1. I bet there are more 4 player games for ps1 and definitely more 5+ player games

And all of them combined don't add up to the popularity of one N64 multiplayer hit. I had every console growing up(every one) and the only consoles where everyone gathered to play in person at one house for were the N64 and the Gamecube, with the Xbox coming a distant third. No multi-tap parties ever. Ever. Smash bros and Mario Kart and the GC version of PSO though......lit.

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saspa posted...

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Pretty crazy that for the past 25 years, the trend with Nintendo has been the same: Their first party games are great and worth owning the console for, but they barely have anything else. Just the occasional 1 or 2 gems from 3rd parties.

Started with the N64 and hasn't changed since.

But hey those meager 5 N64 games still hold up to this day, while most ps1 games... less so. Graphically, performance wise, loading times, cumbersome controls... be it jrpg or action adventure, most ps1 games are borderline unplayable if you're used to the modern era

Every 2d ps1 game holds up pretty well. And there are lots of them

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Fony posted...

And all of them combined don't add up to the popularity of one N64 multiplayer hit.

Crash bash and crash team racing both sold well, the latter has been remade.

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My favorite thing about the N64 is that it's capable of anti-aliasing.

Balrog0 posted...

Crash bash and crash team racing both sold well, the latter has been remade.

Brother, i'm done and will NOT go back and forth with you. Looking at a sales chart is EASY and then factoring in that there MANY friends don't need to OWN the game to play will tell you how much more popular the N64 heavy hitters were. That's why the crash franchise ultimately died off lol. Even Sony didn't think it was worth keeping around and looked to make other "mee too" competitors to Nintendo's lineup as time went on.

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Fony posted...

Brother, i'm done and will NOT go back and forth with you. Looking at a sales chart is EASY and then factoering in that there MANY friends don't need to OWN the game to play will tell you how much more popular the N 64 heavy hittwers were. That's why the crash franchise ultimately died off lol. Even Sony didn't think it was worth keeping around and looked to make other "mee too" competitors to Nintendo's lineup as time went on.

I did look at the sales, crash team racing sold as much as Diddy Kong racing. Crash just released a new game, idk what to tell you


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PS1 games still hold up well. The platforming and JRPGs are timeless.

What N64 games are worth playing with that shit mutant controller these days?

All of their first party games have been regurgitated over and over every generation to a much better form.

That and all the eras multiplatform games sucked on the 64 and were neutered in some way.

It did have a few hits, but compared to the PS1 it was slacking.

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Actually both games sold as well as a top 10 N64 game. They outperform stuff like Majora's mask

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Balrog0 posted...

I did look at the sales, crash team racing sold as much as Diddy Kong racing. Crash just released a new game, idk what to tell you

Don't do that to me, don't be obtuse. Compare the Sales of SSB, Mario Kart, Etc. come on brother why you doing me like this?

Just love PS in peace, it's not bad and i'm not saying it ism but live in reality while you do it. It doesn't have to "win" in ev ery area for you to like it right?

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Fony posted...

Don't do that to me, don't be obtuse. Compare the Sales of SSB, Mario Kart, Etc. come on brother why you doing me like this?

Just love PS in peace, it's not bad and i'm not saying it ism but live in reality while you do it. It doesn't have to "win" in ev ery area for you to like it right?

Because there are lots of fun ps1 4 player games. Just these two games are equal to any of those games individual game sales. The disparity isn't nearly as big as you think it is. That's all. Nothing against n64

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PS1 >>>>>>> N64

Too many classics to name

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Balrog0 posted...

Actually both games sold as well as a top 10 N64 game. They outperform stuff like Majora's mask

MM was not considered a success internally as it only sold half of what OOT did and sales were always MUCH slower since laiunch. OOT sold over a million in 7 days, MM sold like 300K in the same time.

Berother, why are you doing this? why?

Like your choice more, have the favorite it's fine. Stop obfuscating, you won;t name driopMK or SSb because you know they blow out PS whole lineup for multiplayer and popularity.

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Fony posted...

MM was not considered a success internally as it only sold half of what OOT did and sales were always MUCH slower since laiunch. OOT sold over a million in 7 days, MM sold like 300K in the same time.

Berother, why are you doing this? why?

Super smash bros: 5.5m sold
Crash team racing: 4.5m sold


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Balrog0 posted...

Super smash bros: 5.5m sold
Crash team racing: 4.5m sold

counting remakes and digital PS store sales eh.

EDIT:

CTR only sold just over 2 million on the Playstation FYI.

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Fony posted...

counting remakes and digital PS store sales eh.

No

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CTR was better than Mario Kart 64

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Fony posted...

CTR only sold just over 2 million on the Playstation FYI

It did 1.9 million in the US alone before it was rereleased as a best seller. And at least 300k in Japan before that point. The guiness book of world records implies it did 4.79 million worldwide on the original platform...I believe you don't understand how much better the ps1 sold than N64 to find this unbelievable

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Balrog0 posted...

Every 2d ps1 game holds up pretty well. And there are lots of them

Not really but there's nothing wrong with liking them. Just have to realize they most certainly don't hold up. Certainly not in the same way.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Carts! Three-handed controller! A disc drive that sold roughly seventeen units!

At least you didn't have to put it upside down to get it to work

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saspa posted...

Not really but there's nothing wrong with liking them. Just have to realize they most certainly don't hold up. Certainly not in the same way.

I mean, they hold up as well or better than 2d games before ps1 just objectively speaking. They're more modern and more polished than anything on snes. I guess if you think 2d gaming in general didn't hold up then sure

Edit: though even then I think you're nuts to say something like a rare collectathon holds up better than like symphony of the night

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Well going even further back just reduces the amount of playable games by half.

Sure you've got classics like Sotn that still hold up, but you also have games like alundra that don't. It's not about the graphics, it's about how the game plays and mechanics of it.

Edit: Oh lol we had the same idea of sotn, yeah that seems about right.

But no I most certainly don't mean crappy rareware games, those are 2nd party and I was talking about the handful 1st party from nintendo themselves. Although rare games were 3d so I actually don't know why you're bringing them up *shrugs*
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Yeah, and I'm saying that in general the 2d games on ps1 hold up much better in every way than any 3d game of the era. Developers had more experience designing them, for one thing.

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saspa posted...

Well going even further back just reduces the amount of playable games by half.

Sure you've got classics like Sotn that still hold up, but you also have games like alundra that don't. It's not about the graphics, it's about how the game plays and mechanics of it.

Edit: Oh lol we had the same idea of sotn, yeah that seems about right.

But no I most certainly don't mean crappy rareware games, those are 2nd party and I was talking about the handful 1st party from nintendo themselves. Although rare games were 3d so I actually don't know why you're bringing them up *shrugs*

Mostly to avoid having to point out the obvious truth that OoT and SM64 hold up like crap honestly

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Balrog0 posted...

Yeah, and I'm saying that in general the 2d games on ps1 hold up much better in every way than any 3d game of the era. Developers had more experience designing them, for one thing.

Well I posted my examples, post some of yours
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Balrog0 posted...

Mostly to avoid having to point out the obvious truth that OoT and SM64 hold up like crap honestly

*shrugs* if you dislike them then you dislike them. It doesn't stop them from being one of the greatest games of all times and above the need of lesser games to "hold up" because they'll always be fun as heck to play. Games were still being influenced by them and their mechanics up to this day.
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I have played all of the traditional mega man games, the first Rayman, sol divide, rapid reload, panzer bandit on ps1 in the last few years and liked them as much as I ever did. I thought most N64 games I tried were much worse, except ogre battle 64 and paper Mario

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saspa posted...

*shrugs* if you dislike them then you dislike them. It doesn't stop them from being one of the greatest games of all times and above the need of lesser games to "hold up" because they'll always be fun as heck to play. Games were still being influenced by them and their mechanics up to this day.

You're just saying they don't need to hold up because they were influential.. Alright

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Balrog0 posted...

I have played all of the traditional mega man games, the first Rayman, sol divide, rapid reload, panzer bandit on ps1 in the last few years and liked them as much as I ever did. I thought most N64 games I tried were much worse, except ogre battle 64 and paper Mario

Then I guess it's just down to taste. It reminds me of the debates about trying to convince others that "crash was better than mario!" and I was thinking I don't know why I have to be, like, bipartisan about it, I enjoy both and don't really do favorites.
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Because when I shared my opinion with you you said that I was wrong but that it was okay as long as I realized I was wrong? Idgi. I just want to talk about old games.

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Balrog0 posted...

You're just saying they don't need to hold up because they were influential.. Alright

Because it goes without saying that they don't just "hold up" like some arcade game from the 90s, they're beyond great games. Arguing otherwise is just being intentionally controversial. Sure you might like more obscure games that were not as well known, but dismissing the giants of gaming doesn't make them any less giant.
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Balrog0 posted...

Because when I shared my opinion with you you said that I was wrong but that it was okay as long as I realized I was wrong? Idgi. I just want to talk about old games.

Well I didn't want to outright say that I remember those games and they were really meh, even back then. Knowing someone else likes them that much just makes me remember some people are fine with less than games. It'd be like someone saying they prefer, I dunno, Threads of Fate to Kingdom Hearts 1. I can't do anything about changing their mind if they've convinced themselves of it.
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Idk what you want man I didn't even start off by saying anything about those games, what I said was that ps1 2d games hold up great and you said, no, but that's okay to like them. The rest of the conversation isn't me trying to be controversial, in fact I explicitly told you how I was trying not to be. Maybe if you would try to say something in support of your own opinion instead of just dismissing mine it would be going better.

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saspa posted...

Well I didn't want to outright say that I remember those games and they were really meh, even back then. Knowing someone else likes them that much just makes me remember some people are fine with less than games. It'd be like someone saying they prefer, I dunno, Threads of Fate to Kingdom Hearts 1. I can't do anything about changing their mind if they've convinced themselves of it.

This is what I'm saying, you're just being a huge dick for literally no reason. Take it easy bro

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I didn't want my post to come across as dickish, I apologize for that, I prefer to remain cordial
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M_Live posted...

PS1 had a bigger catalogue of better games

Bigger, yes
Honestly, though, the absolute best Nintendo 64 games were better than the absolute best PlayStation games

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DarkRoast posted...

Honestly, though, the absolute best Nintendo 64 games were better than the absolute best PlayStation games

Ehh, pretty even toss-up in that regard imo
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