Current Events > Damn, Gina Carano really shat the bed with those comments huh?

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

Yes she should have.

Personally, I don't think she is a very good actress at all, but if we're not going to be hypocritical, the star of the show, Pedro Pascal should have been fired as well for a similar tweet from 2018.

Especially since that bottom picture that says "America 2018" isn't even from the United States.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1359906722815565835/photo/1

Doom_Art posted...

And she was fired?

You are acting like she should have apologized. Like being given an ultimatum absolves Disney of responsibility.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

A new poll conducted by Public Opinion Strategies found that 58% of people opposed Carano being fired, but that jumped to a whopping 72% when they saw the post that she was fired for, leaving only 28% who felt Disney was justified.

I'm sure a poll from an unknown polling group that was published by the Daily fucking Wire is legit

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joe40001 posted...

You are acting like she should have apologized

I mean if she wanted to keep her job, yes.

joe40001 posted...

Like being given an ultimatum absolves Disney of responsibility.

They had an employee who was causing them trouble, they went to that employee to ask them to recant or apologize.

The employee refused so they were let go.

Dunno what Disney needs to take responsibility for in your eyes?

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Doom_Art posted...

I mean if she wanted to keep her job, yes.

They had an employee who was causing them trouble, they went to that employee to ask them to recant or apologize.

The employee refused so they were let go.

Dunno what Disney needs to take responsibility for in your eyes?

Firing her.

She wasn't causing poor old Disney trouble. Disney didn't have to turn nothing into something.

People will attack freedom of speech, defend Disney (even though they're obviously evil as shit), and think they are in the right.

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Joenumbers really fighting hard to be the worst poster on CE lately

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https://www.indiewire.com/2021/02/disney-gina-carano-mandalorian-press-refused-apology-1234617200/

Speaking to Weiss, Carano revealed she had no warning about her firing and found out on social media that her relationship with Lucasfilm had ended.

She was never asked to apologize for the political climate post that got her fired

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Bruh I just checked my own employment contract and it has clauses about social media usage and not bringing the company into disrepute. I don't see why people think that Carano should be allowed to violate her contract simply because she's famous or people agreeing with her political views.

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Her character was boring so no big loss

joe40001 posted...

She wasn't causing poor old Disney trouble. Disney didn't have to turn nothing into something.

They tell schoolkids this when they're on a field trip somewhere:

"Behave yourself here. You're representing your school to the public"

Same concept applies here. Whether she's causing the company itself legit problems or not they're under no obligation to keep associating with her in this situation.

Her statements had repeatedly attracted attention and controversy even before the firing.
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joe40001 posted...

People will attack freedom of speech

I had no idea she was fined or arrested

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consequence culture strikes again!

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Fenriswolf posted...

Bruh I just checked my own employment contract and it has clauses about social media usage and not bringing the company into disrepute. I don't see why people think that Carano should be allowed to violate her contract simply because she's famous or people agreeing with her political views.

Lol every film, tv show, documentary or commercial I've worked on has things like this.

If I start tweeting Holocaust comparisons out and someone from the production saw it I'd be gone like that

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Fenriswolf posted...

Bruh I just checked my own employment contract and it has clauses about social media usage and not bringing the company into disrepute. I don't see why people think that Carano should be allowed to violate her contract simply because she's famous or people agreeing with her political views.

The problem is that the policy is clearly not enforced equally:

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1359906722815565835/photo/1

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The problem is that the policy is clearly not enforced equally:

You're hopelessly dumb if you're gonna compare those lol

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

This was a shot right at Disney management, I am sure Gina will be back and the current head of Licasfilm is not going to get her contract extended this year

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Doom_Art posted...

You're hopelessly dumb if you're gonna compare those lol

If I start tweeting Holocaust comparisons out and someone from the production saw it I'd be gone like that

You said so yourself. Objectively they are both Holocaust comparisons

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Star Wars QAnon is almost as sad as regular QAnon.

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Fuck her and her fans she is a vile bitch that deserves to be shunned rather they cancel madolorian than bring her garbage ass back

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

You said so yourself. Objectively they are both Holocaust comparisons

You're really trying to suggest comparing the Holocaust to being a wealthy conservative and comparing the Holocaust to children being starved, taken from their parents and imprisoned are the same thing?

The issue wasn't that she made a Holocaust comparison, the issue was that she made a very disrepectful and stupid comparison so she could throw a pity party for herself

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Doom_Art posted...

You're really trying to suggest comparing the Holocaust to being a wealthy conservative and comparing the Holocaust to children being starved, taken from their parents and imprisoned are the same thing?

The issue wasn't that she made a Holocaust comparison, the issue was that she made a very disrepectful and stupid comparison so she could throw a pity party for herself

Where did she mention being wealthy, conservative, or liberal in her post? Or any political leaning at all? Or anything even pointing that it was about herself? The post was clearly just saying Dont hate your neighbor just because of their political leanings

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Where did she mention being wealthy, conservative, or liberal in her post? Or any political leaning at all?

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could infer what she was getting at.

Probably why conservatives have such a problem wrapping their heads around it.

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Fenriswolf posted...

Remember when Mandalorian first launched and all the conservatives were complaining about her being a Mary Sue and part of Disney's agenda pushing? LOL

To be fair they are right.

Dunno about "Agenda Pushing" but she is a Mary Sue

Utterly flawless, superior to everyone, dominant and controls every situation with ease without care or worry

It is a weak character. She needs some spice.

Like make her afraid of heights and have massive craving for cheese or something. Just something to give her some flaws and a personality.

Imagine if in Alien, Ripley just shrugged, wisecracked and beat the shit out of the Xenomorph. It would be dumb.

I don't blame Disney, I think these incredibly bland poorly written "Strong" female heroes are goldmines. The MCU is full of them

I mean compare her to the Jarhead from Guardians of the Galaxy. Drax.

He also is super confident, amazingly powerful, super-warrior dude who can whoop anyone's ass. But he's a great character because he's flawed as fuck just like one of those pesky human beings. Which makes him relatable. He screws up, gets things wrong, is the butt of jokes sometimes, has a real personality and characteristics.

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I think her comments were divisive, and given her upbringing as the daughter of an former cowboys player I doubt she's had to face a great deal of adversity in her life, but I'm pretty sure in general there's people in the entertainment industry with similarly awful views who are just more adept at censoring themselves.

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MortimerBrewstr posted...

but I'm pretty sure in general there's people in the entertainment industry with similarly awful views who are just more adept at censoring themselves.

And?

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Doom_Art posted...

They tell schoolkids this when they're on a field trip somewhere:

"Behave yourself here. You're representing your school to the public"

Ok, but she wasn't saying these things at a disney press junket she's saying them on her private twitter. If people don't like her opinions, just stop fucking following her, easy as that.

Same concept applies here. Whether she's causing the company itself legit problems or not they're under no obligation to keep associating with her in this situation.

Her statements had repeatedly attracted attention and controversy even before the firing.

From dumb people on twitter nobody actually cares about. 99.9% of sane people don't give a fuck and the majority of people don't think she should have been fired.

It's silly to do this as a defense of "disney's rights as a company" when we know they are pretty evil/scummy.

I had no idea she was fined or arrested

As an ideal, obviously.

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joe40001 posted...

Ok, but she wasn't saying these things at a disney press junket she's saying them on her private twitter. If people don't like her opinions, just stop fucking following her, easy as that.

She was hired by Disney, ergo, is a representative of Disney.

Not good for image/business. Private Twitter or not it's the person's speech that caused problems, so the person got the axe.


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joe40001 posted...

Ok, but she wasn't saying these things at a disney press junket she's saying them on her private twitter.

"Private twitter" is an oxymoron.

joe40001 posted...

From dumb people on twitter nobody actually cares about.

Clearly somebody cared

joe40001 posted...

As an ideal, obviously

In your own words, what is freedom of speech as an ideal?

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Cemith posted...

She was hired by Disney, ergo, is a representative of Disney.

You are not a representative of a company during your private life. You are only a representative of a company when you are acting as a representative of that company.

Not good for image/business. Private Twitter or not it's the person's speech that caused problems, so the person got the axe.

How was it not good for business? I could make a much stronger case that it was worse for business to fire her. Since the majority of people were against it AND it took away an important character which is important for the success of the story and thus important for the success from a business point of view.

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Na I think it was intentional. I think she wanted the attention and fame that came with being a right wing martyr anr "cancel culture victim"

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Doom_Art posted...

In your own words, what is freedom of speech as an ideal?

That we should not try to punish, hurt, or marginalize people through actions for the words that they say. Regardless of if those words upset us.

The old "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

If you are for taking away employment or deplatforming, you aren't really for that ideal.

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joe40001 posted...

You are not a representative of a company during your private life.

Lol not true at all. Especially if you make it known that you work for that company

joe40001 posted...

Since the majority of people were against it AND it took away an important character which is important for the success of the story

Okay

A) Most people didn't/don't care or disliked her outside of the weird cringey rightie SW fanbase

B) Cara Dune is not important to anything lol

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creativerealms posted...

Na I think it was intentional. I think she wanted the attention and fame that came with being a right wing martyr anr "cancel culture victim"

I wish Disney was smart enough not to fire her, that would've really taught her a lesson.

Next time a conservative wants to whine about cancel culture, we should humiliate them by not firing them, IMO.

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Doom_Art posted...

You're really trying to suggest comparing the Holocaust to being a wealthy conservative and comparing the Holocaust to children being starved, taken from their parents and imprisoned are the same thing?

The issue wasn't that she made a Holocaust comparison, the issue was that she made a very disrepectful and stupid comparison so she could throw a pity party for herself

Right wing jews think it's a fair comparison. Or at least Ben Shapiro does.

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joe40001 posted...

That we should not try to punish, hurt, or marginalize people through actions for the words that they say. Regardless of if those words upset us.

The old "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

If you are for taking away employment or deplatforming, you aren't really for that ideal.

If I work in retail and I insult or make a derogatory comment about a customer and they take offense to it am I going to be penalized?

If my boss is Jewish and I make casual reference to the Holocaust am I going to be punished?

If I'm say interviewed by a local paper and I identify myself as an employee of this store before going on a racially tinged interview in which several slurs are tossed around, am I going to be punished by my employer?

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Doom_Art posted...

Lol not true at all. Especially if you make it known that you work for that company

She didn't "make it known" in any way she wasn't expected to.

A) Most people didn't/don't care or disliked her outside of the weird cringey rightie SW fanbase

If people didn't care then she shouldn't have been fired. You can't say it was bad press and also nobody cared. Also since when is SW "rightie"?

B) Cara Dune is not important to anything lol

I think it would be very easy to make an argument she is the second most important non-puppet character on the show.

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Doom_Art posted...

If I work in retail and I insult or make a derogatory comment about a customer and they take offense to it am I going to be penalized?

Sounds like you did it on the job, so likely yes.

If my boss is Jewish and I make casual reference to the Holocaust am I going to be punished?

Sounds like you did it on the job, so likely yes.

If I'm say interviewed by a local paper and I identify myself as an employee of this store before going on a racially tinged interview in which several slurs are tossed around, am I going to be punished by my employer?

Where in her twitter posts did she say "hey, it's me, Cara Dune from Disney's Star Wars..." before she talked on twitter?

On her twitter it was quite clear her views were hers and not those of Disney or Star Wars, and I'm sure she would even say as much.

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joe40001 posted...

You are not a representative of a company during your private life. You are only a representative of a company when you are acting as a representative of that company.

You are when you're a celebrity. That's the trade-off for an actor's salary is they're now a community figure. That's why so many celebrities are "canceled" over dumb shit they say, like Gunn and Gina. They have a significantly larger following than your average person. That's what makes this stuff matter is because of the outreach they have.

I personally don't give a shit about what she said, or the Mandalorian, but pretending that someone like a Disney star doesn't represent Disney is honestly just perplexing.

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joe40001 posted...

She didn't "make it known" in any way she wasn't expected to.

She was a public figure lol

joe40001 posted...

Also since when is SW "rightie"?

There's a really weird segment of the fandom that gets sucked into cringey conservative shit

I think it would be very easy to make an argument she is the second most important non-puppet character on the show.

LOL

Nah

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Cemith posted...

You are when you're a celebrity. That's why so many celebrities are "canceled" over dumb shit they say, like Gunn and Gina. They have a significantly larger following than you're average person. That's what makes this stuff matter is because of the outreach they have.

I personally don't give a shit about what she said, or the Mandalorian, but pretending that someone like a Disney star doesn't represent Disney is honestly just perplexing. T

But they don't represent Disney. You aren't owned by the company you work for. Acting like the moment somebody becomes hired they become just an extension of a company is pretty dehumanizing and gives way too much primacy to companies over the individual.

"You can never be thought of autonomously, you are always an extension of your place of employment" is a pretty dystopian take.

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Doom_Art posted...

She was a public figure lol

And? That doesn't mean she did anything to link her perspectives to Disney.

There's a really weird segment of the fandom that gets sucked into cringey conservative shit

Weird take, but ok.

LOL

Nah

Name people more important on that show. Will you at least acknowledge she likely has the most screen time aside from Mando/Baby Yoda?

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joe40001 posted...

But they don't represent Disney

Cemith posted...

You are when you're a celebrity. That's the trade-off for an actor's salary is they're now a community figure. That's why so many celebrities are "canceled" over dumb shit they say, like Gunn and Gina. They have a significantly larger following than your average person. That's what makes this stuff matter is because of the outreach they have.

joe40001 posted...

"You can never be thought of autonomously, you are always an extension of your place of employment" is a pretty dystopian take.

I don't make the rules, feel free to be mad at Disney for letting her go but that doesn't change the relationship between Disney and their employees.

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metallica846 posted...

It makes sense for her to be the right wing pariah. She comes from vast wealth. She doesnt need some but part on Disney+. The real money is donations.

thats all they do they grift just like trump

Its worth noting that one of the first things she did after being fired was run to quasi-fascist grifter Ben Shapiro for employment and support. There's nothing innocent about her, and the people trying to defend her know this.

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Cemith posted...

I don't make the rules, feel free to be mad at Disney for letting her go but that doesn't change the relationship between Disney and their employees.

I'm not saying that some people don't see these things as the rules, I'm saying that they are dumb rules and we shouldn't endorse them.

If it was societal convention that everybody had to name their firstborn child after their place of employment I'd hope the response would be "this is pretty fucked up, and I don't support it" rather than "I don't make the rules, it is what it is."

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Its worth noting that one of the first things she did after being fired was run to quasi-fascist grifter Ben Shapiro for employment and support. There's nothing innocent about her, and the people trying to defend her know this.

???

She's not innocent because she ran to a right-wing place after being fired for some dumb left-wing reason?

Unless you consider all right-wing people un-innocent, I'm not sure what you think she is un-innocent of...

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joe40001 posted...

I'm not saying that some people don't see these things as the rules, I'm saying that they are dumb rules and we shouldn't endorse them.

What does "not endorsing" them actually mean? Because Disney should absolutely be able to cut associations with somebody they feel makes them look bad whether you agree with the reasoning or not.

Tenlaar posted...

What does "not endorsing" them actually mean? Because Disney should absolutely be able to cut associations with somebody they feel makes them look bad whether you agree with the reasoning or not.

What you did just there is endorse them.

I just meant, I can understand a person who says "companies firing people for what they say outside work is something that happens" but I don't approve of people saying "companies firing people for what they say outside work is something they should be able to do."

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