Current Events > City of Columbus to pay $10M settlement because of cop's mistake

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https://apnews.com/article/andre-hill-columbus-settlement-7f28a708b4e3dd3cd95082d7402b985c

it's so fucked the taxpayers end up footing the bill for one guy's mistake. cops should be forced to carry insurance against this kinda thing or we should pay for settlements out of their pension funds.

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Agreed on insurance, but pension funds are pooled and itd be fucked to take from other cops' pensions just like it is having taxpayers foot the bill
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g980 posted...

Agreed on insurance, but pension funds are pooled and itd be fucked to take from other cops' pensions just like it is having taxpayers foot the bill

Then maybe cops should collectively be better instead of being complicit

Humans that seek compensation during the loss of a loved one are equally as vile in my opinion. Ive never understood it. I would accept funeral expenses maximum, and MAYBE college education expenses if the victim had kids. But $10m will not bring my family member back. I am grieving during this time, not taking the settlement to try and make a profit of my familys death Jesus Christ. I despise these people. Ive always theorized that individuals who actually accept the ridiculous sums already had a troubling relationship with their family so its more of a Now Im going to profit because of all the years of fighting I endured with said family member.

But no one ever brings this up. We keep blaming the court system. If I was in that position, I would accept the settlement only until it covers 100% of the funeral and maybe 100-200k per child to pay for a 4 year college if the victim had children, everything over can go back to the state to fix roads and build schools. Imagine thinking Nope I get to live in a mansion, drive a sports car, and set up trust funds all due to the loss of my family member. There is something fucked about that in my opinion. No amount of money will bring me joy. There is nothing to compensate my familys absence. I just dealt with my friends losing their sister in a murder and I could see the same in their eyes, they didnt want money nor do they care.

Some humans disgust me.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Humans that seek compensation during the loss of a loved one are equally as vile in my opinion. Ive never understood it. I would accept funeral expenses maximum, and MAYBE college education expenses if the victim had kids. But $10m will not bring my family member back. I am grieving during this time, not taking the settlement to try and make a profit of my familys death Jesus Christ. I despise these people. Ive always theorized that individuals who actually accept the ridiculous sums already had a troubling relationship with their family so its more of a Now Im going to profit because of all the years of fighting I endured with said family member.

But no one ever brings this up. We keep blaming the court system. If I was in that position, I would accept the settlement only until it covers 100% of the funeral and maybe 100-200k per child to pay for a 4 year college if the victim had children, everything over can go back to the state to fix roads and build schools. Imagine thinking Nope I get to live in a mansion, drive a sports car, and set up trust funds all due to the loss of my family member. There is something fucked about that in my opinion. No amount of money will bring me joy. There is nothing to compensate my familys absence. I just dealt with my friends losing their sister in a murder and I could see the same in their eyes, they didnt want money nor do they care.

Some humans disgust me.

You're right, but living as comfortably as possible and your family as well is one small benefit. Obviously there's people who take the piss and see it as a profit making scheme but some people can't work anymore, spiral into depression. At least this removes money as a stressor for the family v

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TreyFlowers posted...

You're right, but living as comfortably as possible and your family as well is one small benefit. Obviously there's people who take the piss and see it as a profit making scheme but some people can't work anymore, spiral into depression. At least this removes money as a stressor for the family v

$10 million, brother just think about that... I read somewhere that the average American makes $1.36m throughout their entire working life of 40 years. So if the victim was middle aged, I could see the state awarding half of a lifes worth earnings so the remainder of what the victim was supposed to earn for his/her life could go to the children, aka around $680k. But to accept $10m is straight up robbing all of us and trying to overcompensate financially because one of your family members was involved in a tragedy.

It wouldnt be me, I like sleeping at night peacefully knowing I never fucked anyone over in front of Gods eyes. Earn what you want in life.

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"Bad apple" provisions in pensions will just lead to hiding the bad apples even harder, not tossing them out.

Questionmarktarius posted...

"Bad apple" provisions in pensions will just lead to hiding the bad apples even harder, not tossing them out.

Tgis

failed system

shockthemonkey posted...

The absolute fuck is wrong with you?

Whats wrong with you? What makes you think youre entitled to lavish sums of money if your relative tragically passed? My entire friend group agrees with this. None of us would seek compensation past a reasonable amount such as a funeral. Thats your shame.

Then again maybe thats just that millennial American mindset where you always want hand outs. I grew up with a single parent and was never helped financially. Why should I get money out of nowhere if my mom passed. I already learned to survive on my own and thats how it should be. Greed is what you are @shockthemonkey

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zinezinzadan posted...

Humans that seek compensation during the loss of a loved one are equally as vile in my opinion. Ive never understood it. I would accept funeral expenses maximum, and MAYBE college education expenses if the victim had kids. But $10m will not bring my family member back. I am grieving during this time, not taking the settlement to try and make a profit of my familys death Jesus Christ. I despise these people. Ive always theorized that individuals who actually accept the ridiculous sums already had a troubling relationship with their family so its more of a Now Im going to profit because of all the years of fighting I endured with said family member.

But no one ever brings this up. We keep blaming the court system. If I was in that position, I would accept the settlement only until it covers 100% of the funeral and maybe 100-200k per child to pay for a 4 year college if the victim had children, everything over can go back to the state to fix roads and build schools. Imagine thinking Nope I get to live in a mansion, drive a sports car, and set up trust funds all due to the loss of my family member. There is something fucked about that in my opinion. No amount of money will bring me joy. There is nothing to compensate my familys absence. I just dealt with my friends losing their sister in a murder and I could see the same in their eyes, they didnt want money nor do they care.

Some humans disgust me.

This is fucking disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with you?

TheOtherMike posted...

This is fucking disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with you?

I already explained in my post above yours. Im not greedy. I guess you are? Thats your shame. I dont want anyones money but my own. Be a better person @TheOtherMike

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zinezinzadan coming in hard with the terrible takes ITT

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Lmao look at all these alts coming out of the woodwork. Thats alright, whatever I have in my life I earned. Youre all welcome to your greedy opinions.

If my loved one tragically passed away because of the government, funeral expenses would be an expectation to be covered. But to live lavishly like a professional athlete or a CEO would feel wrong and is bizarre.

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zinezinzadan posted...

$10 million, brother just think about that... I read somewhere that the average American makes $1.36m throughout their entire working life of 40 years. So if the victim was middle aged, I could see the state awarding half of a lifes worth earnings so the remainder of what the victim was supposed to earn for his/her life could go to the children, aka around $680k. But to accept $10m is straight up robbing all of us and trying to overcompensate financially because one of your family members was involved in a tragedy.

It wouldnt be me, I like sleeping at night peacefully knowing I never fucked anyone over in front of Gods eyes. Earn what you want in life.

Thats sure a take alright.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Dont tag me in your meltdowns

Dont tag me in your greed.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Dont tag me in your greed.

This is a very funny response since he didnt tag you at all lmao

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zinezinzadan posted...

Dont tag me in your greed.

He literally didn't tag you.

Are you okay? Cause you don't seem ok.

I'm just glad most people aren't in your bubble of absurd thinking. Especially the courts.

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zinezinzadan posted...

I already explained in my post above yours. Im not greedy. I guess you are? Thats your shame. I dont want anyones money but my own. Be a better person @TheOtherMike

Dude, the guy trying to downplay wrongful death and reduce a human life to their assumed potential earnings doesn't get to pretend he has the moral high ground. Shut the fuck up and don't @ me.

What a strange melty

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zinezinzadan posted...

Whats wrong with you? What makes you think youre entitled to lavish sums of money if your relative tragically passed? My entire friend group agrees with this. None of us would seek compensation past a reasonable amount such as a funeral. Thats your shame.

Then again maybe thats just that millennial American mindset where you always want hand outs. I grew up with a single parent and was never helped financially. Why should I get money out of nowhere if my mom passed. I already learned to survive on my own and thats how it should be. Greed is what you are @shockthemonkey

It is done to punish the party responsible in an attempt to make such things less likely in the future.

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He's a Trumper, guys. Ignore him.

uwnim posted...

It is done to punish the party responsible in an attempt to make such things less likely in the future.

Agreed. The issue is that it ends up punishing the wrong people.

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Wow. I think I lost brain cells after reading some of these responses. I wonder what itd be like if I grew up in a family where they paid for my college and helped me out financially so Im used to hand outs and desire it at any opportunity available.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Wow. I think I lost brain cells after reading some of these responses. I wonder what itd be like if I grew up in a family where they paid for my college and helped me out financially so Im used to hand outs and desire it at any opportunity available.

Hope you didn't do anything greedy like accept financial aid or government subsidized student loans to pay for college friend

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shockthemonkey posted...

Stop tagging me

Start marking them.

zinezinzadan posted...

Wow. I think I lost brain cells after reading some of these responses. I wonder what itd be like if I grew up in a family where they paid for my college and helped me out financially so Im used to hand outs and desire it at any opportunity available.

Im used to helping out my family financially and I am okay with large amounts of money being paid out for wrongful deaths.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Whats wrong with you? What makes you think youre entitled to lavish sums of money if your relative tragically passed? My entire friend group agrees with this. None of us would seek compensation past a reasonable amount such as a funeral. Thats your shame.

Then again maybe thats just that millennial American mindset where you always want hand outs. I grew up with a single parent and was never helped financially. Why should I get money out of nowhere if my mom passed. I already learned to survive on my own and thats how it should be. Greed is what you are @shockthemonkey

It ain't about the money fam. It's about hitting them where it hurts. Not like an eye for an eye works well so why not secure the bag?

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Makeveli_lives posted...

It ain't about the money fam. It's about hitting them where it hurts. Not like an eye for an eye works well so why not secure the bag?

This is a misconception. It doesnt hurt them... It hurts us, you, me, taxpayers. Police dont have a business that brings in funding, WE are the business cash flow, specifically our taxes. Were getting hit where it hurts, not the police department.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Wow. I think I lost brain cells after reading some of these responses. I wonder what itd be like if I grew up in a family where they paid for my college and helped me out financially so Im used to hand outs and desire it at any opportunity available.

Man you've just gone full Chernobyl, I was willing to see your viewpoint at first but you e just gone so far down shit hill you're in the damn creek.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Which is why your meltdown about cops paying for it themselves is so weird

How? It aligns with the integrity of my post. I disagree with $10m settlements because Im the one paying for it and not the police department. You on the other hand disagree with taxpayers paying for it, but you dont disagree with the lavish settlements... Youre the one thats confused it seems. Youre upset because you and I both have to shell out money for horrible police officers, but when I bat an eye against us paying the court, you turn against me. Its like medieval warfare, whose side are you really on or are you trolling?

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zinezinzadan posted...

Wow. I think I lost brain cells after reading some of these responses. I wonder what itd be like if I grew up in a family where they paid for my college and helped me out financially so Im used to hand outs and desire it at any opportunity available.

Imagine thinking of this in your head then typing it out. At no point did your brain think "maybe i shouldnt post this"

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That's enough cash to just retire somewhere nice and cheap. May they find some comfort in financial security.

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Ilishe posted...

That's enough cash to just retire somewhere nice and cheap. May they find some comfort in financial security.

Thats enough cash to retire somewhere that isn't especially cheap if you aren't an idiot who's gonna by 3 lambos and 2 mini mansions. But thats not really the point... I'm pretty sure none of them would have traded his life for money.


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I think it's perfectly just for society to pay restitution to the families of the victims. Good for them for letting the city settle instead of taking them for more

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zinezinzadan posted...

How? It aligns with the integrity of my post. I disagree with $10m settlements because Im the one paying for it and not the police department. You on the other hand disagree with taxpayers paying for it, but you dont disagree with the lavish settlements... Youre the one thats confused it seems. Youre upset because you and I both have to shell out money for horrible police officers, but when I bat an eye against us paying the court, you turn against me. Its like medieval warfare, whose side are you really on or are you trolling?

You are not the one paying for it. The city is. Indirectly, the citys population may or may not pay for it. Though you feeling like you are the one paying millions of dollars and getting mad about it is a good thing. Cause whoever is paying for it should be mad and they should direct their anger at the organization that caused the issue that made them have to pay money. Having to pay money creates an incentive to change things.

The proper way for the city to handle this is to pay for this expense using their police budget because then the taxpayers are not being affected and the organization responsible bears the burden of the cost.


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I4NRulez posted...

Imagine thinking of this in your head then typing it out. At no point did your brain think "maybe i shouldnt post this"

Imagine criticizing someone who survived a genocidal war, fought his way out of poverty, emigrated to another country and never received money from anyone in his life. Now criticize him because he disagrees with people who take lavish sums of money in court cases when even they know the amount is larger than necessary. They accept it knowing its their neighbors money theyre taking. Thats why people laugh at modern democrats and modern republicans.

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Do you think that those life events mean that nobody can ever criticize you?

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zinezinzadan posted...

Imagine criticizing someone who survived a genocidal war, fought his way out of poverty, emigrated to another country and never received money from anyone in his life. Now criticize him because he disagrees with people who take lavish sums of money in court cases when even they know the amount is larger than necessary. They accept it knowing its their neighbors money theyre taking. Thats why people laugh at modern democrats and modern republicans.

even for all that its a bad take

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zinezinzadan posted...

This is a misconception. It doesnt hurt them... It hurts us, you, me, taxpayers. Police dont have a business that brings in funding, WE are the business cash flow, specifically our taxes. Were getting hit where it hurts, not the police department.

Then maybe people will do the right thing and stop supporting them blindly. Hold police accountable, have police hold themselves accountable. I'm totally in favor of draining pensions. That's money already set aside so it won't come from our pockets like a double dip type of thing, that money already gone.

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shockthemonkey posted...

What are your feelings on cops paying these things out directly? Cuz theres always the downside knowing that they wont actually be able to afford to pay all of it, and thats where my hang up is on the solution, but youre generally much better with connecting all the dots than I am.

I actually thought taking it from their pension fund was a pretty good idea lol.

You definitely need to do something that incentivizes different behavior, not just something that punishes individual cops. I know there are ideas about requiring insurance out there which might do the trick but idk much about that honestly.

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Balrog0 posted...

I actually thought taking it from their pension fund was a pretty good idea lol.

Their pensions wouldnt cover the settlements. it SHOULD come from the city and taxpayers because the city and populace should hold the police more accountable.

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zinezinzadan posted...

This is a misconception. It doesnt hurt them... It hurts us, you, me, taxpayers. Police dont have a business that brings in funding, WE are the business cash flow, specifically our taxes. Were getting hit where it hurts, not the police department.

Then maybe, just maybe, people should get on board with police reform from the ground up and don't recoil when activists want to take these departments to task. It's not just bad apples, the roots of the tree is rotten.

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