Current Events > CDC's new guidelines. do you trust them?

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Trumble posted...

Between variants and the protection not quite being 100%, I do not see this ending well.

This. Along with only 50% of US being vaccinated so far. Im not liking that we are ending the mask stuff so soon. India is still having 300k cases a day.

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It's not that I don't trust them, it's I don't care.

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People still seem to misunderstand the guidelines of the mask and social distancing.

Social distancing reduces changes of contracting covid by upwards of 90% when two people are 35 feet apart or more when they do not have a facial covering.

Wearing a mask produces a similar result when the people involved remain 6 feet apart. The closer you get to people while you BOTH wear a mask, the less effective this becomes.

The mask only protects others from you as long as social distance is maintained. It does NOT offer protection for YOU.

It makes sense for fully vaccinated people to not have to wear a mask, as it is quite literally doing nothing for themselves or anyone else, except for helping to slow the spread of other pathogens such as influenza if that person was carrying it.

The danger is people who were not vaccinated contracting and spreading it by either rejecting the medical research we've gathered or thinking that Covid is over because people stop wearing masks.

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I guess we're ready to let this rip through unprotected populations, according to the CDC. People have literally died denying this as a threat, and now they have incentive to lie. The more this spreads, the more chance of a mutation that our vaccines don't guard against as well - or at all.

I'll trust science, sure. I don't trust human behavior. Every epidemiologist's feed I follow had some manner of skepticism, freak-out, or "what was the CDC thinking?"

"But Drew, you're vaccinated. You're protected. You're one of us. Why do you care about them getting sick and dying?" Because I do. That's sort of been the point.

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Very interesting to see people who spent the better part of a year downplaying or straight up denying the severity of Covid and spreading anti-mask sentiments are now pretending to earnestly support everything the CDC says now that it means theres going to be an increased risk of transmission.

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Sadly we can't make people care. Soon everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be. The whole idea was to return to a resemblance of normal once people were vacinated.

The situation is far from perfect but it is the best we can ask for. Just stay safe, be vaccinated and have fun.

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Orchestrion posted...

Very interesting to see people who spent the better part of a year downplaying or straight up denying the severity of Covid and spreading anti-mask sentiments are now pretending to earnestly support everything the CDC says now that it means theres going to be an increased risk of transmission.

Very interesting how people who said trust the science and to follow CDC guidelines are now opposing CDC guidelines because of their personal beliefs.

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SK8T3R215 posted...

Very interesting how people who said trust the science and to follow CDC guidelines are now opposing CDC guidelines because of their personal beliefs.

No one is opposing the guidelines. No one is getting un-vaccinated. You didnt even think about this post, did you?


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SK8T3R215 posted...

Very interesting how people who said trust the science and to follow CDC guidelines are now opposing CDC guidelines because they don't trust anti-vaxxers not to lie about it.

This is the accurate version.

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ZannoL posted...

do you trust them?

I don't trust anybody

scorpion41 posted...

If you trust data and science then why wouldnt you trust the CDC?

Why didn't you trust them up until now?

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Perascamin posted...

The mask only protects others from you as long as social distance is maintained. It does NOT offer protection for YOU.

That can't be true. Why else were health care workers desperate for masks early on in the pandemic. They offer protection.

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Orchestrion posted...

No one is opposing the guidelines.

So what are you bitching about? Even with you spreading your own misinformation here since the guidelines are for vaccinated people:

Orchestrion posted...

it means theres going to be an increased risk of transmission.

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SK8T3R215 posted...

So what are you bitching about? Even with you spreading your own misinformation here since the guidelines are for vaccinated people:

The willfully unvaccinated will lie. How do we prove they've been vaccinated?

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The23rdMagus posted...

The willfully unvaccinated will lie. How do we prove they've been vaccinated?

A) Fauci himself said fully vaccinated don't need to worry about being around those who aren't. Do we trust him or do we not?

B) This is always going to be the case. If people haven't gotten it by now they probably won't. Should we just never open up again?

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SothaSil posted...

A) Fauci himself said fully vaccinated don't need to worry about being around those who aren't.

I'm not worried for myself, damn it.

Just like that, people stopped pretending to care about others.

SothaSil posted...

B) This is always going to be the case. If people haven't gotten it by now they probably won't. Should we just never open up again?

Be ready for more variants and a summer surge. I worry that due to ignorance and paranoia this will be a cycle.

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The23rdMagus posted...

The willfully unvaccinated will lie.

And they will put themselves at risk along with other unvaccinated who don't comply. Vaccinated people have miniscule risk of getting covid from them.

What's the issue?

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SK8T3R215 posted...

And they will put themselves at risk along with other unvaccinated who don't comply. Vaccinated people have miniscule risk of getting covid from them.

What's the issue?

Viruses mutate as they spread. Even if you don't give a shit about other people (like, say, the immunocompromised) eventually there may well be a mutation our vaccine doesn't protect as well against.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Viruses mutate as they spread. Even if you don't give a shit about other people (like, say, the immunocompromised) eventually there may well be a mutation our vaccine doesn't protect as well against.

Were basically near 50% vaccinated / people with antibodies from covid already. Vaccines are being administered to millions more each day. The risk of Covid spreading and mutating among a population with that much immunity is straight fearmongering on your part.

Also do you think the CDC didn't consider any of your fearmongering about mutations here?

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SK8T3R215 posted...

Were basically near 50% vaccinated / people with antibodies from covid already. Vaccines are being administered to millions more each day. The risk of Covid spreading and mutating among a population with that much immunity is straight fearmongering on your part.

Also do you think the CDC didn't consider any of your fearmongering about mutations here?

You caught me. I was reaching there. I was trying to find a reason the "me me me" population may have to be concerned about how things might affect the center of their universe. Shame on me, right?

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The23rdMagus posted...

Viruses mutate as they spread. Even if you don't give a shit about other people (like, say, the immunocompromised) eventually there may well be a mutation our vaccine doesn't protect as well against.

What do you propose be done, exactly? Again, pretty much everyone who is going to get the vaccine has gotten it by this point, or is waiting for their second dose.

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SK8T3R215 posted...

And they will put themselves at risk along with other unvaccinated who don't comply. Vaccinated people have miniscule risk of getting covid from them.

What's the issue?

They're willingly putting at risk people who can't get vaccinated, either.

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I dont let the govment tell me what to do.

Heck, i dont need their permission to sneeze, fart or take a crap

SothaSil posted...

What do you propose be done, exactly?

pretty sure booster shots will be a thing, like with the flu

Star_FAQs posted...

pretty sure booster shots will be a thing, like with the flu

Maybe. But I'm asking what he proposes be done, since he says we shouldn't open once everyone who will take the vaccine has been vaccinated. Do we just stay closed forever?

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From Emily Smith, "Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist": https://emily-smith.net/2021/05/13/keep-those-masks-on/

Today the CDC released guidelines about masking for FULLY vaccinated people. This indicates that the vaccines do a really job (which we already know and celebrate!). This post is not against the CDC the new guidelines point strongly to the data that vaccines work really well. My worry is not with the CDC and colleagues that work there. (Shout-out to you CDC friends who are doing massive amounts of work!) My worry is that this will turn into not being about the vaccines anymore and turn into more individualized-styled-actions, rather than collective-solidarity. In other words, I think some will be given an inch, and take a mile. Why do I think that? Because thats what we have seen the past year anyways.

Here are some thoughts:

Was the motivation because they wanted to improve vaccine uptake? So, these new guidelines will be an incentive to get the vaccines? I dont know, maybe. Will that work as an incentive? I dont think so.

The new guidelines suggest continuing to wear a mask if you are in large groups. Its the honor system which I dont trust anymore. This will disadvantage businesses, schools, etc to enforce we all know that results in cashiers being yelled at.

35% OF THE US HAS BEEN FULLY VACCINATED. (46% have received one dose, which is what you see in Picture 1). ONLY 35%. We are nowhere near the 60% threshold we need to be (thats the threshold where we really see a difference in transmission rates in other countries who are already there like Israel). Look at the picture we wont get to the 60%ish until the fall.

And, vaccine uptakes are going way down (Picture 2). So, theres a chance that we wont get to 60% by the projected timepoint of the late summer unless vaccine uptakes start going back up.
Vaccine distribution in the US is still not equitable! (Picture 3). Yet more than four months into the rollout, the most socially vulnerable counties in the U.S. have a lower vaccination rate on average than the nations least vulnerable. Vulnerability is defined as counties with low income, poor access to healthcare, transportation issues, etc.

Theres still a large amount of unvaccinated high-risk individuals who RELY on people telling the truth about whether or not they are vaccinated and acting accordingly with masking. They still rely on people recognizing this is not about you this is still about the other. So, the questions of Can I take my mask off if Im only in a room of 9 instead of 11 people or Technically, Im allowed to XYZ become unimportant. Thats getting lost in the weeds when its really about the bigger picture. Do I trust people to keep the bigger picture in mind to prevent more surges until we can get more people vaccinated? No.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Viruses mutate as they spread. Even if you don't give a shit about other people (like, say, the immunocompromised) eventually there may well be a mutation our vaccine doesn't protect as well against.

Do you not believe the CDC, a group of highly trained medical experts and scientists , forgot to consider the risk of mutation? Obviously they considered it and didnt think the guidelines they provided would cause such a thing. As I keep reminding people, we have to listen to the experts and follow the science. Not come up with what we think will happen.

So "never move on from masks" is your proposed answer

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Im not a dr they are so yes I trust them

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Bleuets posted...

As I keep reminding people, we have to listen to the experts and follow the science.

Since fucking when?

SothaSil posted...

So "never move on from masks" is your proposed answer

Did I say that?

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I never gave a shit about their guidelines.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Since fucking when?

Did I say that?

So, are you saying that we should not listen to the Centers of Disease Control on a virus they have been learning about for over a year? Since always we should be listening to them. Just because you dont agree with their new guidelines and have some other future in your mind, does not mean everyone else should suddenly follow that same line of thought.

Bleuets posted...

So, are you saying that we should not listen to the Centers of Disease Control on a virus they have been learning about for over a year? Since always we should be listening to them. Just because you dont agree with their new guidelines and have some other future in your mind, does not mean everyone else should suddenly follow that same line of thought.

I think you broke the record for most words put into someone else's mouth in one post.

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lol at trusting an honor system

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Bleuets posted...

So, are you saying that we should not listen to the Centers of Disease Control on a virus they have been learning about for over a year? Since always we should be listening to them. Just because you dont agree with their new guidelines and have some other future in your mind, does not mean everyone else should suddenly follow that same line of thought.

My memory isn't that short. Your change of tune is extremely recent.

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Demon1050 posted...

I can't get the vaccine so I'll just do the mask thing as long as necessary.

It says clear as day you should only not wear a mask and not socially distance if you're vaccinated... If you are NOT vaccinated, you are capable of catching and distributing the disease, so you should continue wearing the mask.

Yes, there are rogue strains you can still get, but apparently these strains are rare enough for the CDC to not care.

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I am not at all shocked CE voted no.
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VTBM posted...

I never gave a shit about their guidelines.

Why do you hate society and want to hurt people?

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