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TheHoldSteady 05/12/21 12:42:20 PM #1:	Probably top 50 right --- If she says we partied, then I'm pretty sure we partied. I really don't remember. I remember we departed from our bodies. <cite>TheHoldSteady posted [p:953826528] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Probably top 50 right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/12/21 12:43:09 PM #2:	Tyson and Ali are alone in a tier that shouldn't even exist. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:953826557] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Tyson and Ali are alone in a tier that shouldn't even exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 05/12/21 12:43:42 PM #3:	Below Bruce Lee <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:953826581] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Below Bruce Lee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 05/12/21 12:43:45 PM #4:	top 2 --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:953826585] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>top 2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 05/12/21 12:49:41 PM #6:	Anyone saying top 2 are nuts, hes not even a top 5 heavyweight. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:953826765] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Anyone saying top 2 are nuts, hes not even a top 5 heavyweight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deanshow 05/12/21 12:49:50 PM #7:	Hes in the top 50. He shouldn't be in the top 10 there's too many great fighters that are ahead of him. Plus hes not a top 10 HW IMO. I think people get too swayed by his highlight reels than the actual body of work --- Will not change this sig until Tommy Wiseau wins an Oscar (Started 12-21-2014) <cite>deanshow posted [p:953826774] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Hes in the top 50. He shouldn't be in the top 10 there's too many great fighters that are ahead of him. Plus hes not a top 10 HW IMO. I think people get too swayed by his highlight reels than the actual body of work </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/12/21 12:50:40 PM #8:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... Anyone saying top 2 are nuts, hes not even a top 5 heavyweight. But we're all agreed on Ali, right? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:953826801] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>Anyone saying top 2 are nuts, hes not even a top 5 heavyweight.</quote>But we're all agreed on Ali, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deanshow 05/12/21 12:51:14 PM #9:	Questionmarktarius posted... But we're all agreed on Ali, right? Either Ali or Joe Louis should be in the top 2 followed by Larry Holmes IMO --- Will not change this sig until Tommy Wiseau wins an Oscar (Started 12-21-2014) <cite>deanshow posted [p:953826831] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>But we're all agreed on Ali, right?</quote>Either Ali or Joe Louis should be in the top 2 followed by Larry Holmes IMO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 05/12/21 12:52:18 PM #10:	probably the best at demolishing washed champs from a weak era a few years before him and pasties. Isnt his best win against James Tillis? Don't get me wrong, I used to love watching his knockout clips. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:953826874] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>probably the best at demolishing washed champs from a weak era a few years before him and pasties. Isnt his best win against James Tillis? Don't get me wrong, I used to love watching his knockout clips. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlCalavicci 05/12/21 12:52:31 PM #11:	Where does Little Mac fall? --- http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111123223446/simpsons/images/9/99/K.png I didn't even give you my coat! <cite>AlCalavicci posted [p:953826883] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Where does Little Mac fall? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchNemo 05/12/21 12:56:31 PM #12:	I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts. --- Down with the Signess. <cite>ArchNemo posted [p:953827022] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheHoldSteady 05/12/21 1:01:31 PM #13:	ArchNemo posted... I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts. Yeah pretty much. He was still a good fighter with great speed for a heavyweight but had some very exploitable weaknesses that any top level boxer would have easily taken advantage of. --- If she says we partied, then I'm pretty sure we partied. I really don't remember. I remember we departed from our bodies. <cite>TheHoldSteady posted [p:953827188] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>ArchNemo posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts.</quote> Yeah pretty much. He was still a good fighter with great speed for a heavyweight but had some very exploitable weaknesses that any top level boxer would have easily taken advantage of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 05/12/21 1:03:40 PM #14:	Sugar Ray Robinson is the GOAT boxer with Ali being number 2. Tyson is probably top 10 though because the dude had all the skill in the world but such a shit group of people around him. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:953827270] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Sugar Ray Robinson is the GOAT boxer with Ali being number 2. Tyson is probably top 10 though because the dude had all the skill in the world but such a shit group of people around him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 05/12/21 1:06:19 PM #15:	M_Live posted... For his prime, easily top 5 This. Quality of opposition- which he couldnt control- is the only thing that keeps him out of the top 3. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. <cite>brestugo posted [p:953827353] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>M_Live posted... </cite> <quote>For his prime, easily top 5</quote> This. Quality of opposition- which he couldnt control- is the only thing that keeps him out of the top 3. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
modena 05/12/21 1:07:39 PM #16:	"Looking like a Bulldog" --- I'm surrounded <cite>modena posted [p:953827391] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>"Looking like a Bulldog" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/12/21 1:11:49 PM #17:	Easily in the top five, and I think reasonably can be considered number one. That said, as others have mentioned, he did need better competition to really solidify being number one. To paraphrase a common axiom in chess, you are only as good as the best player you've beaten. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:953827578] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Easily in the top five, and I think reasonably can be considered number one. That said, as others have mentioned, he did need better competition to really solidify being number one. To paraphrase a common axiom in chess, you are only as good as the best player you've beaten. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 05/12/21 1:15:13 PM #18:	Probably... Top 30? Maybe Top 40? If I remember correctly he really only had two marquee wins in Holmes (Off back to back loses vs. Spinks) and Spinks while in his prime. Maybe you include Pinklon too I guess. Losing to Buster Douglas really tamped down his historical legacy, and it wasn't just a lucky punch early on either. Douglas took Tyson to round 10 and knocked him out. After that he beat Ruddock twice, which was cool, but Holyfield seemed to have literally mindbroke him leading to back-to-back losses and a ear reattachment surgery. Then you have NC from fouls and drug tests, and losses. Tyson did not have a graceful fall and those wins over Ruddock were his last hurrah, in hindsight. The thing Tyson had that most fighters, aside from a few other legends, don't is that, when he beat people he really beat them. Most often shockingly. In his late twenties it's more a shame that he didn't fight better competition to see if he could pull off those wins against them. If he beat Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, ect. with those kinds of convincing wins he would be a Top 10 boxer of all time. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:953827701] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Probably... Top 30? Maybe Top 40? If I remember correctly he really only had two marquee wins in Holmes (Off back to back loses vs. Spinks) and Spinks while in his prime. Maybe you include Pinklon too I guess. Losing to Buster Douglas really tamped down his historical legacy, and it wasn't just a lucky punch early on either. Douglas took Tyson to round 10 and knocked him out. After that he beat Ruddock twice, which was cool, but Holyfield seemed to have literally mindbroke him leading to back-to-back losses and a ear reattachment surgery. Then you have NC from fouls and drug tests, and losses. Tyson did not have a graceful fall and those wins over Ruddock were his last hurrah, in hindsight. The thing Tyson had that most fighters, aside from a few other legends, don't is that, when he beat people he really beat them. Most often shockingly. In his late twenties it's more a shame that he didn't fight better competition to see if he could pull off those wins against them. If he beat Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, ect. with those kinds of convincing wins he would be a Top 10 boxer of all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 05/12/21 1:16:54 PM #20:	Top 10 HW and a top 5 talent --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:953827756] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Top 10 HW and a top 5 talent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/12/21 1:56:52 PM #21:	ArchNemo posted... I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts. What happened was after Cus died he had sycophants as trainers and it you watch those later fights his defense was shit. That Lewis fight was brutal to watch, he just ate jabs with no head movement. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:953829185] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>ArchNemo posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not a big boxing fan personally but I see a lot of people say that the majority of people Tyson fought were nobodies and when he did fight actual condition he either lost or didn't do nearly as well. A lot of his iconic status and popularity seems to be because he got a lot of knockouts.</quote> What happened was after Cus died he had sycophants as trainers and it you watch those later fights his defense was shit. That Lewis fight was brutal to watch, he just ate jabs with no head movement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 05/12/21 2:39:00 PM #22:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Probably... Top 30? Maybe Top 40? If I remember correctly he really only had two marquee wins in Holmes (Off back to back loses vs. Spinks) and Spinks while in his prime. Maybe you include Pinklon too I guess. Losing to Buster Douglas really tamped down his historical legacy, and it wasn't just a lucky punch early on either. Douglas took Tyson to round 10 and knocked him out. After that he beat Ruddock twice, which was cool, but Holyfield seemed to have literally mindbroke him leading to back-to-back losses and a ear reattachment surgery. Then you have NC from fouls and drug tests, and losses. Tyson did not have a graceful fall and those wins over Ruddock were his last hurrah, in hindsight. The thing Tyson had that most fighters, aside from a few other legends, don't is that, when he beat people he really beat them. Most often shockingly. In his late twenties it's more a shame that he didn't fight better competition to see if he could pull off those wins against them. If he beat Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, ect. with those kinds of convincing wins he would be a Top 10 boxer of all time. I agree with most of this. I'll add a few things. Holmes was a name only when Tyson fought him. The two fights with Ruddock were great, great fights. I still remember the ads of Tyson running at 4 am "because the other guy is still in bed at that time." You're correct, when Tyson Ko'd someone, he really KO'd them. Tillis, Spinks, and the others were must see TV. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. <cite>brestugo posted [p:953830673] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite> <quote>Probably... Top 30? Maybe Top 40? If I remember correctly he really only had two marquee wins in Holmes (Off back to back loses vs. Spinks) and Spinks while in his prime. Maybe you include Pinklon too I guess. Losing to Buster Douglas really tamped down his historical legacy, and it wasn't just a lucky punch early on either. Douglas took Tyson to round 10 and knocked him out. After that he beat Ruddock twice, which was cool, but Holyfield seemed to have literally mindbroke him leading to back-to-back losses and a ear reattachment surgery. Then you have NC from fouls and drug tests, and losses. Tyson did not have a graceful fall and those wins over Ruddock were his last hurrah, in hindsight. The thing Tyson had that most fighters, aside from a few other legends, don't is that, when he beat people he really beat them. Most often shockingly. In his late twenties it's more a shame that he didn't fight better competition to see if he could pull off those wins against them. If he beat Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, ect. with those kinds of convincing wins he would be a Top 10 boxer of all time.</quote>I agree with most of this. I'll add a few things. Holmes was a name only when Tyson fought him. The two fights with Ruddock were great, great fights. I still remember the ads of Tyson running at 4 am "because the other guy is still in bed at that time." You're correct, when Tyson Ko'd someone, he really KO'd them. Tillis, Spinks, and the others were must see TV. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 05/12/21 2:44:59 PM #23:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... What happened was after Cus died he had sycophants as trainers and it you watch those later fights his defense was shit. That Lewis fight was brutal to watch, he just ate jabs with no head movement. Cus' death hurt Tyson (in more ways than one) but his development really suffered when he got rid of Rooney. He became a one punch fighter with no defense. I had an old VHS of Tyson and Rooney in the gym and Rooney kept having him bob and weave and even somewhat crouch - then uncoil his body and throw "punches in bunches". --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. <cite>brestugo posted [p:953830882] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>What happened was after Cus died he had sycophants as trainers and it you watch those later fights his defense was shit. That Lewis fight was brutal to watch, he just ate jabs with no head movement.</quote>Cus' death hurt Tyson (in more ways than one) but his development really suffered when he got rid of Rooney. He became a one punch fighter with no defense. I had an old VHS of Tyson and Rooney in the gym and Rooney kept having him bob and weave and even somewhat crouch - then uncoil his body and throw "punches in bunches". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoke_break 05/12/21 2:46:21 PM #24:	Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him? --- https://imgur.com/mOCFlRv <cite>smoke_break posted [p:953830933] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fony 05/12/21 2:51:32 PM #25:	I have him about 5 or 6 all time. --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. <cite>Fony posted [p:953831095] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>I have him about 5 or 6 all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redlem 05/12/21 3:03:35 PM #26:	smoke_break posted... Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him? Just from the 80's: Duran, SRL, Pernell Whitaker, Hagler, Chavez, Arguello, Holyfield, Aaron Pryor, Hearns, and Wilfred Benitez. <cite>redlem posted [p:953831490] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>smoke_break posted... </cite> <quote>Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him?</quote>Just from the 80's: Duran, SRL, Pernell Whitaker, Hagler, Chavez, Arguello, Holyfield, Aaron Pryor, Hearns, and Wilfred Benitez. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 05/12/21 3:04:48 PM #27:	smoke_break posted... Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him? Ray Robinson Muhammad Ali George Foreman Jack Dempsey Joe Louis Rocky Marciano Floyd Mayweather Manny Pacquiao Ezzard Charles Archie Moore I'm not a boxing aficionado but there's a rich history of champions dominating outside of Tyson that's easy to find. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:953831536] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>smoke_break posted... </cite> <quote>Anyone that says he's not Top 10, can you post your list of 10 boxers that you think are decisively better than him?</quote> Ray Robinson Muhammad Ali George Foreman Jack Dempsey Joe Louis Rocky Marciano Floyd Mayweather Manny Pacquiao Ezzard Charles Archie Moore I'm not a boxing aficionado but there's a rich history of champions dominating outside of Tyson that's easy to find. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SrRd_RacinG 05/12/21 3:06:14 PM #28:	George Foreman grill = top dawg --- https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vRn3I4UyDoKyWLC/giphy.gif <cite>SrRd_RacinG posted [p:953831583] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>George Foreman grill = top dawg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Critic 05/12/21 3:13:19 PM #29:	Id have to think but probably not even too 10 in heavyweights. hed probably fall in 50-100 all weight classes considered <cite>The_Critic posted [p:953831856] in Where does... [t:79455311]...</cite> <quote>Id have to think but probably not even too 10 in heavyweights. hed probably fall in 50-100 all weight classes considered </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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