Current Events > I just started Falcon and Winter soldier no spoilers past ep 1, but jfc...

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Darmik posted...

Wouldn't contract imply he's not on a salary? He probably gets paid when he completes a mission right?

Im pretty sure DoD contracts are predetermined salaries for predetermined lengths of time. Someone working for something like Blackwater would be getting paid their six figures by their company to go out on missions on behalf of the US Government (which essentially paid the company to give them the personnel for the assignment).

In the case of Avengers, its unclear if the DoD is paying them directly based on assignments, or if they technically go through Defense Contracting companies. Its all guesswork.

I think at one point The Avengers got paid by SHEILD. But no idea after that. I don't think it's really implied anywhere that Tony was paying them. He didn't really need to. Sure he's happy to give them resources but overall he's not really their boss.

Agreed with this.

Why would he do that when he thought they were all dead? He only changed his mind right near the end and they had no idea how that would go down.

Why would he leave EDITH to a dead child?

My point is that at a certain point before they time traveled, Tony made Peter his successor (despite him being dead at the moment) and he pre recorded messages for friends and family. We dont know what else he did in that time, and Im sure theyll keep adding things just to have RDJ have cameos and shit, also probably for Lionheart and Armor Wars.

So if shortly before time traveling, Tony made plans for the Avengers upon their return, it wouldnt have been unbelievable that he wouldve left a fund to be used for returning Avengers.

I don't think it's implied anywhere that Peter Parker is now rich and he would be the first on his friend list to pay.

Its not confirmed that hes rich, but he was literally on a salary the whole time. Remember the Stark Internship? He was getting paid by Stark to be an Avenger.

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The "Stark Internship" was a lie though, and there was never any implication he was getting money for that.

Murphiroth posted...

The "Stark Internship" was a lie though, and there was never any implication he was getting money for that.

Tony tells Aunt May that its a grant and then Pete had to go to the Internship every day to sell it. I guess Im reading in between the lines but to me it seems like its implying that Tony was paying Peter to be on standby for Avengers work. If Tony wasnt going to pay Pete to help him, he wouldnt have told Aunt May that it was an internship and a grant, thus setting up monetary expectations.

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Some of the story beats have been alright I will admit, particular the one they just had in ep 4.

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I think this is sort of where things can get a bit weird for cinematic universes like Marvel.

Superheroes who are millionaires for being heroes are overall less relatable. So for the most part they won't be unless being rich is already a part of their character. Vision was planning to live with Wanda in a random house in an little known suburb. I think it's a guarantee that Scott will still be poor in the next Antman movie. Bruce Banner isn't going to live in a mansion. Peter Parker is going to still be a poor kid with some fancy tech. Even if Kamala Khan and She-Hulk join the Avengers they will still live like average joes.

Logically there's no real reason for any of this. It's an extension of the whole "Why wasn't this much more powerful hero available for this threat?" problem. You've just gotta work with it and assume that unless they specifically point out these characters are getting paid large sums they just aren't.

joe40001 posted...

The show starts with him completing a rescue mission so he'd have money from that completed contract, and when you are risking your life on a mission you are going to get some up-front.

Might not be enough to not need a loan though. For all we know he is still using a lot of his income on it and needs a loan on top of it.

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Darmik posted...

I think this is sort of where things can get a bit weird for cinematic universes like Marvel.

Superheroes who are millionaires for being heroes are overall less relatable. So for the most part they won't be unless being rich is already a part of their character. Vision was planning to live with Wanda in a random house in an little known suburb. I think it's a guarantee that Scott will still be poor in the next Antman movie. Bruce Banner isn't going to live in a mansion. Peter Parker is going to still be a poor kid with some fancy tech. Even if Kamala Khan and She-Hulk join the Avengers they will still live like average joes.

Logically there's no real reason for any of this. It's an extension of the whole "Why wasn't this much more powerful hero available for this threat?" problem. You've just gotta work with it and assume that unless they specifically point out these characters are getting paid large sums they just aren't.

You don't need that much to fix up a boat though. If falcon had to come up with millions or something then maybe, but these people are all living financially comfortably to say the least. Over 5% of americans are millionares, I just don't buy that the avengers wouldn't be part of that. Thats not even enough money to make Bernie Sanders mad, and they are saving the world.

Might not be enough to not need a loan though. For all we know he is still using a lot of his income on it and needs a loan on top of it.

What is he spending his money on? The idea is that this boat is like the most important thing to him right now.

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So the Dora Milaje are kinda fascist, huh?

They can do what they please without worrying about jurisdiction.

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joe40001 posted...

You don't need that much to fix up a boat though. If falcon had to come up with millions or something then maybe, but these people are all living financially comfortably to say the least. Over 5% of americans are millionares, I just don't buy that the avengers wouldn't be part of that. Thats not even enough money to make Bernie Sanders mad, and they are saving the world.

To be totally fair here you're talking about two different things.

Why would the Avengers be millionaires? Who is paying them? How are they earning millions? Does Thor sit in board room meetings about the income he'll earn for figurines based on his likeness? Do they do stage tours?

The military contracts for Sam are a different story and we aren't given the full info there other than the bank not considering them good enough to approve a loan over.

joe40001 posted...

What is he spending his money on? The idea is that this boat is like the most important thing to him right now.

It could be more of a case that he can't risk losing all of his savings to fix a boat.

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Darmik posted...

To be totally fair here you're talking about two different things.

Why would the Avengers be millionaires? Who is paying them? How are they earning millions?

Because they are like the 20 most valuable people alive. Governments or companies or charities or anybody. By saving the fucking world which is valuable to the people of the world.

The military contracts for Sam are a different story and we aren't given the full info there other than the bank not considering them good enough to approve a loan over.

Which is dumb. The military won't send somebody on an international rescue mission and give them 80 bucks for it.

It could be more of a case that he can't risk losing all of his savings to fix a boat.

Risk? What's the risk? He spends some of the money he has because he's making plenty. It's not like if he spends 10k on the boat now it's going to magically cost him 200k instantly. It's not like he's gambling with this money, he is spending some of his money on a good or service he considers extremely valuable to him.

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joe40001 posted...

Because they are like the 20 most valuable people alive. Governments or companies or charities or anybody. By saving the fucking world which is valuable to the people of the world.

The Government wanted to have them under their wing and that didn't work. So they're not paying them. They don't approve of the Avengers overall. SHIELD was at one point in charge of them and they disbanded. After that Avengers were pretty much in limbo as an actual entity.

Stark Industries is likely the only company actually involved. Tony is often depicted as a selfish ass and probably doesn't really think about paying them. Just gives them what they need if they ask for it.

Don't think The Avengers would do a charity drive. The people probably think they're rich because they're famous just like you are.

I'm giving an in-universe explanation. There's plenty of ways for The Avengers to be a profitable business but none of this stuff is ever discussed.

joe40001 posted...

Which is dumb. The military won't send somebody on an international rescue mission and give them 80 bucks for it.

Maybe he already had to use that money for something else.

joe40001 posted...

Risk? What's the risk? He spends some of the money he has because he's making plenty. It's not like if he spends 10k on the boat now it's going to magically cost him 200k instantly. It's not like he's gambling with this money, he is spending some of his money on a good or service he considers extremely valuable to him.

The risk of being stuck in debt if he can't pay it. He did one contract and said he has upcoming contracts and we don't really get more detail than that.

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Darmik posted...

The Government wanted to have them under their wing and that didn't work. So they're not paying them. They don't approve of the Avengers overall. SHIELD was at one point in charge of them and they disbanded. After that Avengers were pretty much in limbo as an actual entity.

Stark Industries is likely the only company actually involved. Tony is often depicted as a selfish ass and probably doesn't really think about paying them. Just gives them what they need if they ask for it.

Don't think The Avengers would do a charity drive. The people probably think they're rich because they're famous just like you are.

I'm giving an in-universe explanation. There's plenty of ways for The Avengers to be a profitable business but none of this stuff is ever discussed.

Whoever is funding all their tech and missions is by definition paying them. Even his wings are supposed to be super valuable so like whoever pays for maintenance on those would be giving them money.

Maybe he already had to use that money for something else.

If we are sticking to in-universe explanations then they would need to show this.

The risk of being stuck in debt if he can't pay it. He did one contract and said he has upcoming contracts and we don't really get more detail than that.

What debt? We said the whole reason he has 0 money is because the blip wiped out his savings because everybody was treated as if they were dead, that means his has effectively no debt. He just has the boat as a cost and he has enough money to easily start work on it. Even if you assume the job he just had paid him way less than they logically would.

You can't globe trot, have nice clothes, and think nothing of it and be a single digit thousand-aire. There is no logical justification for him having money troubles.

he average airborne operating cost of a Boeing 747-4 00 is between $24,000 and $27,000 per hour, around $39.08 to $43.97 per mile, using approximately $15,374 in fuel per hour.

Now I don't know how his bigass cargo plane compares but it doesn't ever seem like they are like "hey we can't fly around for long, think of the money". They are flying to places across the world and making no big deal out of it. And that's going to take hours.

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If I'm right in thinking that he owns the wings himself, maybe most of the money he makes goes towards maintaining them.

And he's doing work for the military, the military is covering the cost of transportation.

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pegusus123456 posted...

If I'm right in thinking that he owns the wings himself, maybe most of the money he makes goes towards maintaining them.

And he's doing work for the military, the military is covering the cost of transportation.

Well if the military is covering transportation and supplies, and seems to have little or no issue paying a fair amount in that department why would he get paid next to nothing?

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joe40001 posted...

Whoever is funding all their tech and missions is by definition paying them. Even his wings are supposed to be super valuable so like whoever pays for maintenance on those would be giving them money.

Most of the Avengers tech is from Stark or inherited from elsewhere. Falcon's wings are experimental US tech.

SHIELD used to send The Avengers out on missions. Then I don't think anyone did. They just showed up to save the world when needed. Sam joined after SHIELD was destroyed.

joe40001 posted...

What debt? We said the whole reason he has 0 money is because the blip wiped out his savings because everybody was treated as if they were dead, that means his has effectively no debt. He just has the boat as a cost and he has enough money to easily start work on it. Even if you assume the job he just had paid him way less than they logically would.

The debt of the boat loan. We don't know how much money he has available or what other stuff he had to pay for after being on the run or gone for 7 years.

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joe40001 posted...

Because they are like the 20 most valuable people alive. Governments or companies or charities or anybody. By saving the fucking world which is valuable to the people of the world.

Are you under the impression that people in our reality are paid based on how valuable they are to society?


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joe40001 posted...

Well if the military is covering transportation and supplies, and seems to have little or no issue paying a fair amount in that department why would he get paid next to nothing?

No, I agree. That part doesn't really make any sense.

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Maybe the guy had credit card debt over significant spending on internet porn that accumulated more and more interest in the last 7 years and he was too embarassed to tell anyone.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Are you under the impression that people in our reality are paid based on how valuable they are to society?

No, but there is only so far you can push that. A person who provides 10 million dollars in value to your company isn't going to be paid minimum wage, because they just another company would poach them from you.

Darmik posted...

Most of the Avengers tech is from Stark or inherited from elsewhere. Falcon's wings are experimental US tech.

SHIELD used to send The Avengers out on missions. Then I don't think anyone did. They just showed up to save the world when needed. Sam joined after SHIELD was destroyed.

"Nobody did"? Really? How did they afford their base? Their equipment? And if your answer was that it was all tony then wouldn't tony feel really weird paying the ups man but not the avengers?

The debt of the boat loan. We don't know how much money he has available or what other stuff he had to pay for after being on the run or gone for 7 years.

You don't get to do that though, we said his money is at 0 because of the blip, so he wouldn't have any debt from his "on the run" times. Six months ago he had 0 dollars, now he says done six months worth of government contract jobs each one which should have paid him several thousand dollars minimum, much more likely in the 10s of thousands. (Considering they are spending more on jet fuel than that). There's no way he doesn't have enough money.

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joe40001 posted...

Nobody did"? Really? How did they afford their base? Their equipment? And if your answer was that it was all tony then wouldn't tony feel really weird paying the ups man but not the avengers?

No? It's his building and tech and they aren't his employees. It's not his problem.

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joe40001 posted...

No, but there is only so far you can push that. A person who provides 10 million dollars in value to your company isn't going to be paid minimum wage, because they just another company would poach them from you.

He is an independent contractor, he doesn't have any company backing him up because of his value to them. You also keep refusing to acknowledge the whole point of him being a fugitive and how that very likely had an effect on his financial situation prior to the snap. Just because he received a pardon doesn't mean that the government gave him anything he previously had back. They could have just as easily said, "You're no longer a fugitive, but all your assets we seized are not going to be returned."

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Darmik posted...

No? It's his building and tech and they aren't his employees. It's not his problem.

So Tony funds the avengers base to pay for supplies and resources for the avengers to go on missions including paying anybody at his company necessary for hte administration, ogranization, research, etc, but he doesn't pay the avengers themselves one dime because they are "not his problem"?

Tony would pay for the coffee guy at avengers tower to make sure that the avengers all had coffee so they could do their work, but he wouldn't pay the avengers enough to make sure money isn't a distraction on missions?

... Is penny poor in your estimation? Like the moment somebody who is helping tony becomes his friend he stops paying them money?

It's insane to say 'People spent countless millions funding the avengers as an organization but literally 0 dollars on the avengers themselves"



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IfGodCouldDie posted...

He is an independent contractor, he doesn't have any company backing him up because of his value to them. You also keep refusing to acknowledge the whole point of him being a fugitive and how that very likely had an effect on his financial situation prior to the snap. Just because he received a pardon doesn't mean that the government gave him anything he previously had back. They could have just as easily said, "You're no longer a fugitive, but all your assets we seized are not going to be returned."

I allowed for the idea that his money was at 0 starting six months ago. But he has done government contract jobs since then. Six months of contract jobs for the defense industry is going to mean he will have money.

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PS: Ep 5:
He literally leaves behind his falcon wings, which I believe in universe have been established to be worth mahy millions

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joe40001 posted...

It's insane to say 'People spent countless millions funding the avengers as an organization but literally 0 dollars on the avengers themselves"

Really, you think that is insane? Look at the DoD spending they, spend trillions and trillions of dollars and most military personnel and veterans are not in a place where they can retire or be taken care of after service. If you apply real world actions to the MCU it becomes a lot more likely that yea, the people risking their lives to save the world are not actually being given all this money you seem to think they would be getting.

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Did TC see how Captain America lived?

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Really, you think that is insane? Look at the DoD spending they, spend trillions and trillions of dollars and most military personnel and veterans are not in a place where they can retire or be taken care of after service. If you apply real world actions to the MCU it becomes a lot more likely that yea, the people risking their lives to save the world are not actually being given all this money you seem to think they would be getting.

Yeah, but post Winter Soldier, the Avengers were presumably funded by Tony Stark. I don't see Tony not paying them.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Really, you think that is insane? Look at the DoD spending they, spend trillions and trillions of dollars and most military personnel and veterans are not in a place where they can retire or be taken care of after service. If you apply real world actions to the MCU it becomes a lot more likely that yea, the people risking their lives to save the world are not actually being given all this money you seem to think they would be getting.

We are talking about hugely different numbers of people.

There are like 20 avengers and they have PR implications for the government too, it's totally different than the many soldiers they neglect.

It's like using how shitty the NCAA treats players as evidence that the top 20 NBA players would never have money.

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joe40001 posted...

I allowed for the idea that his money was at 0 starting six months ago. But he has done government contract jobs since then. Six months of contract jobs for the defense industry is going to mean he will have money.

And that money likely had to go towards restarting his life. The lein on his parents house and boat, was likely more than what he had in liquid assets to be able to hand his sister. That is why they would have needed a loan and due to him having no history for the previous 7 years it would be unlikely a bank would hand over that money. You have to also consider that maybe, Sarah or even Sam were to proud to beg for money from someone else or the public.

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pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, but post Winter Soldier, the Avengers were presumably funded by Tony Stark. I don't see Tony not paying them.

Which would have likely all gone away and been seized after Civil War.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

And that money likely had to go towards restarting his life. The lein on his parents house and boat, was likely more than what he had in liquid assets to be able to hand his sister. That is why they would have needed a loan and due to him having no history for the previous 7 years it would be unlikely a bank would hand over that money. You have to also consider that maybe, Sarah or even Sam were to proud to beg for money from someone else or the public.

What expenses does he have? He has no debt.

He just needs enough to live and then the boat is the biggest thing he cares about and he would be making plenty to start doing work on it.

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joe40001 posted...

We are talking about hugely different numbers of people.

There are like 20 avengers and they have PR implications for the government too, it's totally different than the many soldiers they neglect.

It's like using how shitty the NCAA treats players as evidence that the top 20 NBA players would never have money.

They have no implications for anyone after Civil War. The ones that went on the run were branded criminals and likely had all assets seized.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Which would have likely all gone away and been seized after Civil War.

Tony wasn't broke during Endgame.

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joe40001 posted...

So Tony funds the avengers base to pay for supplies and resources for the avengers to go on missions including paying anybody at his company necessary for hte administration, ogranization, research, etc, but he doesn't pay the avengers themselves one dime because they are "not his problem"?

Did Tony do any of those things? He converted his building to The Avengers Tower which was then moved to a different base (I don't remember if that was a completely new building or not).

I'm not really sure what The Avengers did during this era other than hang out in that base (which was only occupied Wanda, Vision and maybe Falcon?) and then fight each other. Why would Tony be paying Falcon, Wanda and Vision millions of dollars?

joe40001 posted...

Tony wasn't broke during Endgame.

Tony never went on the run.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

They have no implications for anyone after Civil War. The ones that went on the run were branded criminals and likely had all assets seized.

They are pardoned and are US government contractors.

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Darmik posted...

Did Tony do any of those things? He converted his building to The Avengers Tower which was then moved to a different base (I don't remember if that was a completely new building or not).

I'm not really sure what The Avengers did during this era other than hang out in that base (which was only occupied Wanda, Vision and maybe Falcon?) and then fight each other. Why would Tony be paying Falcon, Wanda and Vision millions of dollars?

Tony never went on the run.

I know but I'm saying if Tony did give them money then after they were pardoned Tony would still have money he was giving them.

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joe40001 posted...

I know but I'm saying if Tony did give them money then after they were pardoned Tony would still have money he was giving them.

If he was giving them much money to begin with.

When Falcon worked for Tony he was a glorified security guard. Then he left and went on the run. Then he was 'dead' for 5 years. Tony never gave a shit about Sam. In fact he probably disliked him after what happened with War Machine.

What was Falcon doing that justified Tony giving him a shitload of money? He had his own tech already.

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Again, the Avengers missions require a lot of personnel, resources, and money. You can't reconcile that with the Avengers themselves being near broke.

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joe40001 posted...

What expenses does he have? He has no debt.

He just needs enough to live and then the boat is the biggest thing he cares about and he would be making plenty to start doing work on it.

He talks about how she got the boat wrapped up in the house. Their parents business basically needed a bail out and he didn't have the liquid assets to hand over to his sister. I'm not sure how this is so hard for you to understand. Even with six months of working he would likely have had things he needed to be paying or still be in the process of buying. Let's say he stayed at his parents(sisters) house, he was likely contributing to the mortgage payments, he probably had to buy a vehicle to get from their to the base he deployed from, he would have needed a new wardrobe because all his clothes were probably donated to charity/lost, he likely needs to eat, there is maintaining his wingsuit, there are plenty of regular expenses people incur just by being alive.

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joe40001 posted...

Again, the Avengers missions require a lot of personnel, resources, and money. You can't reconcile that with the Avengers themselves being near broke.

Do they? Personnel doing what? We don't see groups of Avengers soldiers out there.

Any of the random scientists or whatever probably work for Stark Industries or the Government. I don't think The Avengers is technically an organization. They're just the team of heroes and they get to have a base to hold up in.

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Darmik posted...

If he was giving them much money to begin with.

When Falcon worked for Tony he was a glorified security guard. Then he left and went on the run. Then he was 'dead' for 5 years. Tony never gave a shit about Sam. In fact he probably disliked him after what happened with War Machine.

What was Falcon doing that justified Tony giving him a shitload of money? He had his own tech already.

Tony was invested in the missions of the avengers. Thus he had an interest in the well being of the avengers themselves.

Also how are we just ignoring the fact this small group of people were crucial in saving the world. That's worth money to all the people in the world.

"I can't understand why a bank or business would have any financial interest in preventing the immediate destruction of earth, the planet on which they exist."

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joe40001 posted...

Tony wasn't broke during Endgame.

You're assuming that Tony wrote blank cheques for everyone that might have come back and assuming that none of them would have been to proud to cash those cheques.

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I need to finish the series

Episode 1-3 were very meh-meh save that excellent fight scene on top of the truck. Ep 4 picks up a lot so I'm curious to how the last few episodes play out

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joe40001 posted...

Tony was invested in the missions of the avengers. Thus he had an interest in the well being of the avengers themselves.

Until Civil War when they broke up.

joe40001 posted...

Also how are we just ignoring the fact this small group of people were crucial in saving the world. That's worth money to all the people in the world.

"I can't understand why a bank or business would have any financial interest in preventing the immediate destruction of earth, the planet on which they exist."

How could a company contaminate the water supply of the town that works for them? If the town dies where will their employees come from?

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joe40001 posted...

Tony was invested in the missions of the avengers. Thus he had an interest in the well being of the avengers themselves.

Also how are we just ignoring the fact this small group of people were crucial in saving the world. That's worth money to all the people in the world.

"I can't understand why a bank or business would have any financial interest in preventing the immediate destruction of earth, the planet on which they exist."

Tony died after they saved the world. Before the time travel he had a rocky relationship with them and hadn't been involved with them for years.

How long was the timeframe between Winter Soldier and Civil War? That's basically the only time Tony could potentially be responsible for them.

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LOL at the passes people write for these terrible series.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

He talks about how she got the boat wrapped up in the house. Their parents business basically needed a bail out and he didn't have the liquid assets to hand over to his sister. I'm not sure how this is so hard for you to understand. Even with six months of working he would likely have had things he needed to be paying or still be in the process of buying. Let's say he stayed at his parents(sisters) house, he was likely contributing to the mortgage payments, he probably had to buy a vehicle to get from their to the base he deployed from, he would have needed a new wardrobe because all his clothes were probably donated to charity/lost, he likely needs to eat, there is maintaining his wingsuit, there are plenty of regular expenses people incur just by being alive.

I'm sorry, I like you as a person but you are being absurd.

Normal people don't have wingsuits and they don't get hired to go on huge expensive international missions to fight super soldiers. The moment you say he does that shit you can't treat him like a person with normal people issues.

He gives a speech after giving over the shield to the US, presumably he would have got some compensation for that speech. They rented out a sports arena to do a huge blitz to promote new cap, the government or whoever has lots of money, you don't let the guy giving you the shield come without clothes or transportation.

You have to be absurd to not see this

Like assuming he owes 100k even though he would have no debt, and then assuming these jobs give him what? 800 bucks?

I'm sorry I'm getting agitated by how difficult you are being about this. The US government spends so much fucking money on contractors, there is no way in god's green earth one of the 20 people involved in stopping Thanos does not have 100k easy.

Have you seen "The Boys" that show's whole premise is that it would be damn near impossible for superheros not to have tons of money tied up in their existence. Money finds important things/people. An avenger is not going to be making less a year than I do. Government contracts are in the millions, again I like you but I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

I need to take a break from this argument because it is very much agitating me.

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People will write a dissertation on the MCU financial system rather than acknowledge banks can be racist.

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joe40001 posted...

I'm sorry, I like you as a person but you are being absurd.

Normal people don't have wingsuits and they don't get hired to go on huge expensive international missions to fight super soldiers. The moment you say he does that shit you can't treat him like a person with normal people issues.

He gives a speech after giving over the shield to the US, presumably he would have got some compensation for that speech. They rented out a sports arena to do a huge blitz to promote new cap, the government or whoever has lots of money, you don't let the guy giving you the shield come without clothes or transportation.

You have to be absurd to not see this

Like assuming he owes 100k even though he would have no debt, and then assuming these jobs give him what? 800 bucks?

I'm sorry I'm getting agitated by how difficult you are being about this. The US government spends so much fucking money on contractors, there is no way in god's green earth one of the 20 people involved in stopping Thanos does not have 100k easy.

Have you seen "The Boys" that show's whole premise is that it would be damn near impossible for superheros not to have tons of money tied up in their existence. Money finds important things/people. An avenger is not going to be making less a year than I do. Government contracts are in the millions, again I like you but I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

I need to take a break from this argument because it is very much agitating me.

Take your break, as it is not worth getting agitated over a discussion like this, especially because it is supposed to be entertaining and enjoyable to discuss pop culture, I will add this for you to address when you are ready.

NuCap was a government PR stunt, Sam was not. He gave up the shield of his own volition, he was likely there to give the speech as an honourary guest. And I think you are giving way too much credit to the government in this argument, especially since we have established the government doesn't really care about its people.

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Cost of a cargo plane: 150 million

Cost of the guy you put in charge of the mission in which the cargo plane is flying into dangerous places where it could in theory get destroyed?

DURRRR IDK LETS SAY 20 BUCKS

Fucking pissing me off TBQH

I don't make more money than Falcon, I'm a lame ass coder and you are trying to say it's plausible I make more money than him. It's not. He's doing INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS THAT ARE CRUCIAL TO THE US GOVERNMENT WHERE HE IS USING EQUIPMENT WORTH MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HE'S NOT PAID BARELY ENOUGH TO AFFORD A FUCKING LEMON OF A CAR.

Just take a step back, re-asses your logic and really think "am I being objective or am I being stubborn about this for no reason."

There are multiple topics on CE right now where people are talking about having 200k in stocks or looking for a 200k loan, you think our dumbasses on CE are really more valuable than an avenger in the avengers universe?

Seriously? Fucking seriously?

I don't usually get mad like this but It's not often somebody gets so invested in arguing something some clearly wrong.



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It's an interesting consequence after the MCU has made the decision to not really use alter-egos for their heroes. We just have to believe that these heroes help out and don't really gain any financial incentive for doing so despite being public figures. Even Tony Stark was meant to go from a guy who makes millions from weapons to a philanthropist who doesn't really make money off his inventions anymore.

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