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SocialistGamer
04/26/21 10:46:48 AM
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Well?


at the Oscars??

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 10:48:21 AM
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I'm not looking forward to any of the MCU projects after the mess that was Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Not like they take any risks with directors, anyway. They won't let anyone sully their money formula of mediocrity.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 10:50:11 AM
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Knowing that the director of a good movie is wasting their time and talent on baby movies just makes me sad.

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SocialistGamer
04/26/21 10:50:36 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Knowing that the director of a good movie is wasting their time and talent on baby movies just makes me sad.
She pitched it to Marvel so she wanted to do it.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 10:51:45 AM
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SocialistGamer posted...
She pitched it to Marvel so she wanted to do it.
I like money too.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 10:59:09 AM
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SocialistGamer posted...
She pitched it to Marvel so she wanted to do it.
I wanna eat nothing but waffles today, but that is not good either.

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SwayM
04/26/21 11:01:07 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Knowing that the director of a good movie is wasting their time and talent on baby movies just makes me sad.

Pretty sad people continue to be this ignorant about the overall talent across the MCU and why the movies are as good as they are isn't by accident...

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nemu
04/26/21 11:03:09 AM
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I honestly have zero interest in anything MCU outside of a couple existing franchises. Endgame was a good finale. Should really have just ended it there. Feels like a series being dragged on three extra seasons at this point .
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Xavier_On_High
04/26/21 11:04:31 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Knowing that the director of a good movie is wasting their time and talent on baby movies just makes me sad.

This. I enjoy the MCU movies, but they are trash.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 11:04:48 AM
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SwayM posted...
Pretty sad people continue to be this ignorant about the overall talent across the MCU and why the movies are as good as they are isn't by accident...
I think the movies suck, and most of the people who go from smaller films to big enormous blockbusters are basically spending years of their time passionately making their worst movie.

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SwayM
04/26/21 11:05:44 AM
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nemu posted...
Feels like a series being dragged on three extra seasons at this point .

Since endgame 2 years ago

We've got a whopping

1 movie

2 disney plus shows

What the fuck are you even talking about.

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SwayM
04/26/21 11:06:56 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I think the movies suck

Then don't watch them.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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nemu
04/26/21 11:10:51 AM
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SwayM posted...
Since endgame 2 years ago

We've got a whopping

1 movie

2 disney plus shows

What the fuck are you even talking about.
Not literally, just the feeling the Phase 4 plans invoke. Endgame was such a cap off and culmination of everything that it makes everything else seem like the final Scrubs season in comparison.
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SwayM
04/26/21 11:15:11 AM
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nemu posted...
Not literally, just the feeling the Phase 4 plans invoke. Endgame was such a cap off and culmination of everything that it makes everything else seem like the final Scrubs season in comparison.

It's a perfect end to many character arcs and storylines but it's also a perfect "phase" end which has since been really interesting to see after the events of infinity war and endgame mean in this universe. Spiderman Far From Home and the Disney Plus shows especially have been fucking awesome how they're handling a world post Snap.

You don't spend 10 years, 22 movies and introducing like 40-50 main characters. Close a few loops and endgame and not expect that people want to see more from the remaining characters.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 11:29:30 AM
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SwayM posted...
Then don't watch them.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
If you're going to be this butt mad about someone else's opinion, maybe stop doing that.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 11:34:44 AM
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SwayM posted...
Then don't watch them.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I enjoy the MCU movies a lot, but can we at least be honest in our discussion about them? They're "turn your brain off" movies that undercut any semblance of serious plot development with mediocre one-liners. It's the safest franchise ever made that is consistently forgoing creative development in favor of watered down, formulaic heroin for the vast majority of the general population who hover extremely close to the population mean.

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SwayM
04/26/21 11:35:20 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
If you're going to be this butt mad about someone else's opinion, maybe stop doing that.

Don't be upset when you give a bullshit opinion and you're immediately dismissed as having no idea what you're talking about.

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sabin017
04/26/21 11:37:58 AM
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inb4 the director leaves

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 11:38:16 AM
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imagine going through life clicking on topics about Marvel stuff just so you can complain about how much you personally dislike Marvel stuff. Then, imagine having such a lack of self-awareness that you post something like this in the topic:

IShall_Run_Amok posted...
If you're going to be this butt mad about someone else's opinion, maybe stop doing that.


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DarkChozoGhost
04/26/21 11:41:35 AM
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People should be really embarrassed how proud they are of how little they care about the MCU

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SwayM
04/26/21 11:51:56 AM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
I enjoy the MCU movies a lot, but can we at least be honest in our discussion about them? They're "turn your brain off" movies that undercut any semblance of serious plot development with mediocre one-liners. It's the safest franchise ever made that is consistently forgoing creative development in favor of watered down, formulaic heroin for the vast majority of the general population who hover extremely close to the population mean.

Yeah, let's have a serious conversation about this. Because I couldn't disagree harder with every single thing you've said.

The one thing I do agree with, is you can ABSOLUTELY turn your brain off and enjoy them, watch some cool action, see some interesting things, laugh at a few jokes and go about your day.

But as you sit here trying to dismiss the entirety of the MCU, no franchise, in the history of franchises, has done what the MCU has done with canonical storytelling told across completely different movie franchises and TV shows. Saying "No semblance of serious plot development" is flat out wrong in every conceivable way. It's about the dumbest thing you could have said and tells me you haven't been remotely paying attention in the last 13 years actually.

The MCU retrained an ENTIRE generation of movie goers to completely rewrite what they knew and understood about movies. They got people to understand that entirely different movies, with a brand new cast of characters, set in the same universe, are interconnected and building to something more. They rewrote the language of how "sequels" and "prequels" worked. AND they got people to keep their asses in chairs until the last fucking name scrolled up through the credits so they could see 10 seconds of what's to come.

You don't turn your brain off for movies and storylines that are this interconnected and complex and continue to return to the franchise with anticipation as MCU fans do time and time again. Without completely missing huge chunks of details.

The details is the next major tentpole in what makes the MCU special. Because of the talent involved, and the complete trust we have in Marvel to steer this ship in the right direction. There is so much setup and pay off in completely overt ways, but in so many more subtle and character driven moments throughout the entire run. People have made hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos and articles breaking these properties down. And while it's filled to the brim with "easter egg" level details. It's also so amazingly consistent with it's character arcs that new media ONLY makes you see the older stuff with more context and appreciation.

Nothing about this is "safe"

Not remotely.

They literally built this franchise to a level that's completely unprecedented on the back of a guy (RDJ) who most studios wouldn't have touched with a 10 foot pole based on the point of his life he was at. The guy was just pulling himself up back up by the bootstraps after a serious problem with drugs and alcohol. And Marvel bet everything on him that he would be the glue of this franchise.

Nothing about the MCU works because it's "Safe" it's because of the immense talent and respect that's immediately apparent to anyone REMOTELY paying attention. What you see as "Safe" we see as "They make this shit look easy"

We know it's not fucking easy.

Don't speak ignorantly about things you don't understand please.

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 11:51:57 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine going through life clicking on topics about Marvel stuff just so you can complain about how much you personally dislike Marvel stuff. Then, imagine having such a lack of self-awareness that you post something like this in the topic:
This is also a topic about Nomadland and its director, though, and at no point was there any indication that you had to be a Marvel fan to respond to it.

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tripleh213
04/26/21 11:55:02 AM
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Was the Falcon show good?

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 11:55:28 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
This is also a topic about Nomadland and its director, though, and at no point was there any indication that you had to be a Marvel fan to respond to it.
It's clearly a topic about Marvel. It says Marvel in the title. This logic makes no sense. If you hate Marvel, why do you click topics that say Marvel?

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/26/21 11:55:31 AM
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No, the Oscars are stupid and I don't care about them. I am excited to see Robb and Jon reunite though, and I think the movie will be good.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 11:55:32 AM
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SwayM posted...
It's about the dumbest thing you could have said and tells me you haven't been remotely paying attention in the last 13 years actually.
See, implying people are dumb or didn't pay attention is where you put people off. I've seen every movie in theaters since Iron Man. The franchise holds a lot of love from me, but I'm not going to pretend that it's living up to it's fullest potential.

SwayM posted...
Nothing about this is "safe"
Feige consistently micromanages the directors to ensure they don't stray from the Marvel formula. He wouldn't even let a legend like Edgar Wright try anything new.

I'll get to your other points as I read them.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 11:56:53 AM
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SwayM posted...
Nothing about the MCU works because it's "Safe" it's because of the immense talent and respect that's immediately apparent to anyone REMOTELY paying attention. What you see as "Safe" we see as "They make this shit look easy"

We know it's not fucking easy.

Don't speak ignorantly about things you don't understand please.
Oh god. Nevermind. I'm getting flashbacks to the dude who stood way too close to me in line at Endgame.

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UnholyMudcrab
04/26/21 11:56:54 AM
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I'm in the camp that doesn't really care anymore after Endgame. The MCU reached its big climax, and now it's just kind of plodding ahead anyway.
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EndOfZangoose
04/26/21 11:58:09 AM
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Its hard taking MCU fans seriously when they get so irrationally upset if someone simply voices their opinion on the MCU that doesnt align with theirs.

Put on some new diapers and get a grip.
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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 11:59:02 AM
#30:


EndOfZangoose posted...
Its hard taking MCU fans seriously when they get so irrationally upset if someone simply voices their opinion on the MCU that doesnt align with theirs.

Put on some new diapers and get a grip.
It's why I don't even count myself among them, despite loving the movies.

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 12:00:25 PM
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EndOfZangoose posted...
Its hard taking MCU fans seriously when they get so irrationally upset if someone simply voices their opinion on the MCU that doesnt align with theirs.

Put on some new diapers and get a grip.
"Your favorite movies suck."

"... no they don't, and here's why I think that."

"Whoa, why are you such a baby, put on new diapers and stop being irrationally upset."

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 12:02:33 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's clearly a topic about Marvel. It says Marvel in the title. This logic makes no sense. If you hate Marvel, why do you click topics that say Marvel?
Naw buddy, this topic asked if we're more hyped about Chloe Zhao's Marvel movie, and I ain't, and you just got to deal with it. No safe space for you.

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 12:04:17 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Naw buddy, this topic asked if we're more hyped about Chloe Zhao's Marvel movie, and I ain't, and you just got to deal with it. No safe space for you.
I'm cool. I'm just curious what motivates random haters to randomly hate on things. It's kind of fascinating.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:05:42 PM
#34:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
"Your favorite movies suck."

"... no they don't, and here's why I think that."

"Whoa, why are you such a baby, put on new diapers and stop being irrationally upset."
More like:
"I enjoy these movies, but they're not the greatest movies ever made."
"Wow, how ignorant. Please shut the fuck up."

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 12:07:40 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
More like:
"I enjoy these movies, but they're not the greatest movies ever made."
"Wow, how ignorant. Please shut the fuck up."
More like "I claim to like these movies but I also think they're dumb and for babies"

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IShall_Run_Amok
04/26/21 12:08:38 PM
#36:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I'm cool. I'm just curious what motivates random haters to randomly hate on things. It's kind of fascinating.
No you aren't, you're pouty that I don't like your movie franchise.

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SwayM
04/26/21 12:09:51 PM
#37:


SquirtleSkwad posted...
He wouldn't even let a legend like Edgar Wright try anything new.

Again, this is just blatantly wrong.

You can read articles and listen to interviews with both parties, and I have, so let me explain a few things to you.

First I'll start actually with multiple interviews I've heard from Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Markus_and_Stephen_McFeely

Who wrote all 3 Captain America movies. As well as Infinity War and Endgame.

Who have said, on multiple occasions. Feige has a complete picture in his head, but he trusts the people below him. And when they're sitting there for hours trying to figure where to go and how to get there. Feige is the man that comes in and perfectly seals it with a bow. He's the one that said to them, what if Thanos does the Snap. And that wasn't him telling them what to do. That was him giving them the keys to the car and telling them to go joyriding for the weekend.

Back to Edgar Wright though. Because we're all disappointed we didn't get to see his version of Ant Man. But it's A LOT more complicated then you're framing it as. It was ultimately Marvel saying "Play by our rules" but it was also like 7 fucking years of contractual misalignments between Marvel and Wright. Marvel wanted Ant Man in the original roster of Avengers, right there with Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and the rest. However Wright had wanted to do other things at the time, so they built the franchise with what they had instead, and shelved Ant Man until 2015ish.

Then, when production actually started. It became quickly apparent that Wright wouldn't play ball AT ALL. He didn't want ANY "studio meddling" in his movie, which doesn't fucking work if you need a couple pieces from a studio perspective. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you who's Wright or Wrong here between Marvel and him. I do wish we got his complete version. But look the fuckin credits

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478970/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

He has Story and Screenplay credits for the movie we got. It's by large influenced by him. AND if you watch the fuckin thing, what exactly did Marvel ask Peyton Reed to include to connect back to the MCU? A scene with a young Hank Pym, a Scene vs the Falcon (Which like all this MCU ages very well) and a stinger at the end....

I don't think Wright was Right. At all personally, it sounds like he was pretty difficult to work with.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:10:29 PM
#38:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
More like "I claim to like these movies but I also think they're dumb and for babies"
You can love something and also be honest about what they are. I never said they're dumb or for babies. The writers definitely cater towards the immature portion of the general populace, though. The amount of love they give back to the longtime fans vs. the nose-snort one-liners to appease the masses is drastically imbalanced.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:11:05 PM
#39:


SwayM posted...
so let me explain a few things to you.
There is nothing you can explain to me about the MCU that I'm not already privy to.

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Gobstoppers12
04/26/21 12:11:59 PM
#40:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
No you aren't, you're pouty that I don't like your movie franchise.
I literally don't care whether or not you like Marvel movies. I prefer Zack Snyder's DC stuff, all told, but I'm just trying to figure out what's in it for you. Why do you do it?

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SwayM
04/26/21 12:13:46 PM
#41:


SquirtleSkwad posted...
Oh god. Nevermind. I'm getting flashbacks to the dude who stood way too close to me in line at Endgame.

SquirtleSkwad posted...
but can we at least be honest in our discussion about them?


Don't be immature. You're out of your element here and speaking with ignorance. That's okay, I tried to explain a few things to you but if you don't want to listen, topic list is right there buddy.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:15:05 PM
#42:


SwayM posted...
Don't be immature. You're out of your element here and speaking with ignorance.
Two very conflicting sentences.

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TheLiarParadox
04/26/21 12:15:10 PM
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I'm not like other Nerds vs the Tool copypasta.


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DarkChozoGhost
04/26/21 12:15:30 PM
#44:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
"Your favorite movies suck."

"... no they don't, and here's why I think that."

"Whoa, why are you such a baby, put on new diapers and stop being irrationally upset."
This is precisely what's happening.

SquirtleSkwad posted...
More like:
"I enjoy these movies, but they're not the greatest movies ever made."
"Wow, how ignorant. Please shut the fuck up."
This is a complete strawman

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:17:17 PM
#45:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
This is precisely what's happening.

This is a complete strawman
I don't think you're using that fallacy correctly.

SquirtleSkwad posted...
You can love something and also be honest about what they are. I never said they're dumb or for babies. The writers definitely cater towards the immature portion of the general populace, though. The amount of love they give back to the longtime fans vs. the nose-snort one-liners to appease the masses is drastically imbalanced.


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SwayM
04/26/21 12:17:43 PM
#47:


SquirtleSkwad posted...
Two very conflicting sentences.

Those who don't understand very much about something often speak from a point of ignorance and misunderstanding.

Is literally what I just said.

My dude...I just don't have any faith that you should be in this discussion.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:19:08 PM
#48:


SwayM posted...
Those who don't understand very much about something often speak from a point of ignorance and misunderstanding.

Is literally what I just said.

My dude...I just don't have any faith that you should be in this discussion.
You keep talking down to me, but something tells me I'm not the one who needs a pat on the head.

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SwayM
04/26/21 12:19:12 PM
#49:


SquirtleSkwad posted...
You can love something and also be honest about what they are

You can.

And at no point do I feel this conversation is needing my critiques of the MCU.

But it does need someone to speak to people that don't know the first thing about what they're talking about.

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SquirtleSkwad
04/26/21 12:20:35 PM
#50:


SwayM posted...
But it does need someone to speak to people that don't know the first thing about what they're talking about.
You are not needed, buddy.

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SwayM
04/26/21 12:20:36 PM
#51:


SquirtleSkwad posted...
You keep talking down to me, but something tells me I'm not the one who needs a pat on the head.

Yeah, I'm blatantly talking down to you.

Argue or respond to any one of my points, but I'm not going to take you seriously when you also talk down to me like this

SquirtleSkwad posted...
Oh god. Nevermind. I'm getting flashbacks to the dude who stood way too close to me in line at Endgame.


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