Board 8 > Fellow English Premier League fans.

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Steiner 04/20/21 7:49:27 AM #52:	ChichiriMuyo posted... The twelve teams in question don't have to leave any of their respective leagues, unless EUFA/FIFA forces them to. This league is meant to supplant the CL, not the EPL/La Liga/Serie A or any other national league. for some insane reason, the teams were talking about staying in the CL but that plan falls apart under any scrutiny at all --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:953028830] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>The twelve teams in question don't have to leave any of their respective leagues, unless EUFA/FIFA forces them to. This league is meant to supplant the CL, not the EPL/La Liga/Serie A or any other national league.</quote> for some insane reason, the teams were talking about staying in the CL but that plan falls apart under any scrutiny at all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 7:53:03 AM #53:	Also, just to be clear: whatever financial imbalance there is now will be utterly dwarfed by the amount of money these teams will get in the ESL Even the remotest semblance of competitive balance that we now have will go --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953028884] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Also, just to be clear: whatever financial imbalance there is now will be utterly dwarfed by the amount of money these teams will get in the ESL Even the remotest semblance of competitive balance that we now have will go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 7:54:34 AM #54:	Jesus christ what a shock regarding who has the worst take in the topic by far --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953028908] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Jesus christ what a shock regarding who has the worst take in the topic by far</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 04/20/21 7:58:51 AM #55:	XIII_rocks posted... Also, just to be clear: whatever financial imbalance there is now will be utterly dwarfed by the amount of money these teams will get in the ESL Even the remotest semblance of competitive balance that we now have will go I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:953028985] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>XIII_rocks posted... </cite> <quote>Also, just to be clear: whatever financial imbalance there is now will be utterly dwarfed by the amount of money these teams will get in the ESL Even the remotest semblance of competitive balance that we now have will go</quote>I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 04/20/21 8:02:17 AM #56:	I mean what has really fueled this is COVID. The big teams recklessly spent like the money train would never stop or slow down and then it did. Yes, nobody could have predicted it happening we badly as it did but this has all been caused by the financial arms race the big teams have had in the past 20-30 years (although it has spiralled recently) and their resulting financial mismanagement. 20 years ago only the very top players were earning 30-50k a week and everyone else was earning like 10-20k or less. Now it seems most squad players at the big teams are earning 100-200k a week whilst big name players are earning like 300-500k a week. And wasn't Messi's contract something ludicrous like $600m+ for 4 years? So effectively more than $1m a week? <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:953029057] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I mean what has really fueled this is COVID. The big teams recklessly spent like the money train would never stop or slow down and then it did. Yes, nobody could have predicted it happening we badly as it did but this has all been caused by the financial arms race the big teams have had in the past 20-30 years (although it has spiralled recently) and their resulting financial mismanagement. 20 years ago only the very top players were earning 30-50k a week and everyone else was earning like 10-20k or less. Now it seems most squad players at the big teams are earning 100-200k a week whilst big name players are earning like 300-500k a week. And wasn't Messi's contract something ludicrous like $600m+ for 4 years? So effectively more than $1m a week? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 04/20/21 8:16:17 AM #57:	ShatteredElysium posted... I mean what has really fueled this is COVID. The big teams recklessly spent like the money train would never stop or slow down and then it did. Yes, nobody could have predicted it happening we badly as it did but this has all been caused by the financial arms race the big teams have had in the past 20-30 years (although it has spiralled recently) and their resulting financial mismanagement. 20 years ago only the very top players were earning 30-50k a week and everyone else was earning like 10-20k or less. Now it seems most squad players at the big teams are earning 100-200k a week whilst big name players are earning like 300-500k a week. And wasn't Messi's contract something ludicrous like $600m+ for 4 years? So effectively more than $1m a week? I'd like to point out a couple of these teams were financially at risk before covid from overspending, like lets say Barcelona. You mention how much Barcelona paid Messi and for all the championships it got them he certainly wasn't worth it. No one player is worth that much if their value is only on the pitch. For all of the Messi merchandise they sold, however, it probably was worth it because it captured a generation of fans that will stay with them even when he has left. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:953029307] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ShatteredElysium posted... </cite> <quote>I mean what has really fueled this is COVID. The big teams recklessly spent like the money train would never stop or slow down and then it did. Yes, nobody could have predicted it happening we badly as it did but this has all been caused by the financial arms race the big teams have had in the past 20-30 years (although it has spiralled recently) and their resulting financial mismanagement. 20 years ago only the very top players were earning 30-50k a week and everyone else was earning like 10-20k or less. Now it seems most squad players at the big teams are earning 100-200k a week whilst big name players are earning like 300-500k a week. And wasn't Messi's contract something ludicrous like $600m+ for 4 years? So effectively more than $1m a week?</quote>I'd like to point out a couple of these teams were financially at risk before covid from overspending, like lets say Barcelona. You mention how much Barcelona paid Messi and for all the championships it got them he certainly wasn't worth it. No one player is worth that much if their value is only on the pitch. For all of the Messi merchandise they sold, however, it probably was worth it because it captured a generation of fans that will stay with them even when he has left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 04/20/21 9:13:14 AM #59:	Tom Bombadil posted... all this about merit is kinda going over my head though since MLB doesn't have relegation Imagine if the MLB created a special playoffs just for the most historically successful teams. And those same teams will compete in the playoffs every year. All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff. So the Yankees, Cardinals, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers, and Athletics compete every year for the World Series. Everyone else only can compete for the MLB championship which will most likely be skipped by all the above listed teams making it clearly the lesser one. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:953030438] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil posted... </cite> <quote>all this about merit is kinda going over my head though since MLB doesn't have relegation</quote>Imagine if the MLB created a special playoffs just for the most historically successful teams. And those same teams will compete in the playoffs every year. All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff. So the Yankees, Cardinals, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers, and Athletics compete every year for the World Series. Everyone else only can compete for the MLB championship which will most likely be skipped by all the above listed teams making it clearly the lesser one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 04/20/21 9:29:02 AM #60:	Maniac64 posted... Imagine if the MLB created a special playoffs just for the most historically successful teams. And those same teams will compete in the playoffs every year. All the other teams only get to compete to be Division/Regular season champions and cant be in the new playoffs. What you're describing isn't what the "super league" is proposing. Not even close. If you *insist* on including the MLB in your argument then what they are proposing is "imagine IF there was an MLB." --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:953030817] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Maniac64 posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine if the MLB created a special playoffs just for the most historically successful teams. And those same teams will compete in the playoffs every year. All the other teams only get to compete to be Division/Regular season champions and cant be in the new playoffs.</quote>What you're describing isn't what the "super league" is proposing. Not even close. If you insist on including the MLB in your argument then what they are proposing is "imagine IF there was an MLB." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 04/20/21 9:34:59 AM #61:	Yeah obviously its not the same thing but I'm trying to find the best way to describe it in to an MLB fan. Really the best example would be to use college football. Imagine if Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Auburn agreed to hold their own CFP every year that is just them and separate from the bowl games (which they could then skip). --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:953030947] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Yeah obviously its not the same thing but I'm trying to find the best way to describe it in to an MLB fan. Really the best example would be to use college football. Imagine if Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Auburn agreed to hold their own CFP every year that is just them and separate from the bowl games (which they could then skip). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 04/20/21 9:40:51 AM #62:	another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:953031102] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 04/20/21 9:41:35 AM #63:	Maniac64 posted... Really the best example would be to use college football. Imagine if Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Auburn agreed to hold their own CFP every year that is just them and separate from the bowl games (which they could then skip). kick out notre dame and i'm cool with it --- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:953031122] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Maniac64 posted... </cite> <quote>Really the best example would be to use college football. Imagine if Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Auburn agreed to hold their own CFP every year that is just them and separate from the bowl games (which they could then skip).</quote> kick out notre dame and i'm cool with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 04/20/21 9:45:41 AM #64:	Maniac64 posted... All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff. so you're saying the Cubs get to be IC champ!! --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:953031204] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Maniac64 posted... </cite> <quote>All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff.</quote> so you're saying the Cubs get to be IC champ!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 04/20/21 10:00:02 AM #65:	Maniac 64 posted... All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff. Tom Bombadil posted... so you're saying the Cubs get to be IC champ!! Actually, I think he's trying to describe the Europa Cup --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:953031593] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Maniac 64 posted... <quote>All the other teams are competing to be in a separate 'lesser' playoff. And you get a smaller prize for winning rhe normal playoff.</quote> Tom Bombadil posted... </cite> <quote>so you're saying the Cubs get to be IC champ!!</quote> Actually, I think he's trying to describe the Europa Cup </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 04/20/21 10:03:25 AM #66:	ChichiriMuyo posted... You mention how much Barcelona paid Messi and for all the championships it got them he certainly wasn't worth it. No one player is worth that much if their value is only on the pitch. For all of the Messi merchandise they sold, however, it probably was worth it because it captured a generation of fans that will stay with them even when he has left. Messi brings the club so much money to the club off the pitch, that his contract is somehow magically worth it already. It's crazy how losing him would put be a loss to Barca economically. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:953031660] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>You mention how much Barcelona paid Messi and for all the championships it got them he certainly wasn't worth it. No one player is worth that much if their value is only on the pitch. For all of the Messi merchandise they sold, however, it probably was worth it because it captured a generation of fans that will stay with them even when he has left.</quote> Messi brings the club so much money to the club off the pitch, that his contract is somehow magically worth it already. It's crazy how losing him would put be a loss to Barca economically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheep007 04/20/21 10:08:47 AM #67:	ChichiriMuyo posted... The twelve teams in question don't have to leave any of their respective leagues, unless EUFA/FIFA forces them to. This league is meant to supplant the CL, not the EPL/La Liga/Serie A or any other national league. Yeah, they don't have to, but they'd likely be playing somewhere between 11 (the very bare minimum if no other teams are interested and there's almost certainly going to be more than one matchweek) and 38 more games, with something around the 20 mark being the most probable. I don't know about you, but it's not really clear to me where these fit in the calendar which is already far too demanding for players when even the bare minimum is more than most CL campaigns. --- Perhaps the golden rock was inside us all along. <cite>Sheep007 posted [p:953031796] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>The twelve teams in question don't have to leave any of their respective leagues, unless EUFA/FIFA forces them to. This league is meant to supplant the CL, not the EPL/La Liga/Serie A or any other national league.</quote>Yeah, they don't have to, but they'd likely be playing somewhere between 11 (the very bare minimum if no other teams are interested and there's almost certainly going to be more than one matchweek) and 38 more games, with something around the 20 mark being the most probable. I don't know about you, but it's not really clear to me where these fit in the calendar which is already far too demanding for players when even the bare minimum is more than most CL campaigns. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SockoressKnight 04/20/21 10:11:24 AM #68:	FFDragon posted... another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway There are definitely fans that would be in favor a super conference. I remember one local radio host advocating for during all the conference realignment (though his "proposal" included a relegation system similar to EPL). ChichiriMuyo posted... What you're describing isn't what the "super league" is proposing. Not even close. If you *insist* on including the MLB in your argument then what they are proposing is "imagine IF there was an MLB." This is technically how it is already, though I guess everyone just treats the minor leagues as a farm system rather than having any intrinsic value unto itself. --- http://imageshack.us/a/img339/6921/rinoa1d.jpg "Rinoa...Even if you end up as the world's enemy. I'll...I'll be your knight." <cite>SockoressKnight posted [p:953031881] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway</quote>There are definitely fans that would be in favor a super conference. I remember one local radio host advocating for during all the conference realignment (though his "proposal" included a relegation system similar to EPL). ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>What you're describing isn't what the "super league" is proposing. Not even close. If you insist on including the MLB in your argument then what they are proposing is "imagine IF there was an MLB."</quote>This is technically how it is already, though I guess everyone just treats the minor leagues as a farm system rather than having any intrinsic value unto itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/20/21 10:16:37 AM #69:	FFDragon posted... another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway Yeah, this is a surprisingly good point. If we're looking for a US sport where the "biggest" teams splitting off would be comparable, I think college basketball would probably be the closest thing. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:953032021] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>another bad example because the college football board will pick those teams even when they aren't the best anyway </quote> Yeah, this is a surprisingly good point. If we're looking for a US sport where the "biggest" teams splitting off would be comparable, I think college basketball would probably be the closest thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/20/21 10:19:26 AM #70:	I mean there have been rumors in recent years of college teams breaking away from the NCAA and doing their own thing. Doubt it will ever happen, but yeah. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:953032094] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I mean there have been rumors in recent years of college teams breaking away from the NCAA and doing their own thing. Doubt it will ever happen, but yeah. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 04/20/21 11:57:27 AM #71:	ChichiriMuyo posted... I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree. Both Leicester and West Ham are sitting above Chelsea and Liverpool in the table right now. Do you think that will happen again after a few years of Chelsea and Liverpool collecting ESL payouts? --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:953035066] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree.</quote> Both Leicester and West Ham are sitting above Chelsea and Liverpool in the table right now. Do you think that will happen again after a few years of Chelsea and Liverpool collecting ESL payouts? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 04/20/21 12:13:11 PM #72:	Crystal Palace isn't in it so it's bogus imo --- MZero, to the extreme I never saw azuarc coming, but he won the Guru! <cite>MZero posted [p:953035540] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Crystal Palace isn't in it so it's bogus imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/20/21 12:19:04 PM #73:	Tbh Leicester and Everton under the right leadership can supplant Arsenal or Spurs because they are also billionaire backed. EPL went from a big 2 to big 4 to top 6 was becoming a big 8. Leeds and Wolves have immense financial backing and could have closed the gap on the lower half and created a top 10. Villa and Fulham have shown a willingness to spend to compete as well. So it does kinda feel like the rich guys who didn't want to spend as much as the rich guys chasing them, just shut the door on them and created something to restore the gap they previously had. Kroenke doesn't want to spend that much, but Wolves and Everton are up for it. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. <cite>voltch posted [p:953035728] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Tbh Leicester and Everton under the right leadership can supplant Arsenal or Spurs because they are also billionaire backed. EPL went from a big 2 to big 4 to top 6 was becoming a big 8. Leeds and Wolves have immense financial backing and could have closed the gap on the lower half and created a top 10. Villa and Fulham have shown a willingness to spend to compete as well. So it does kinda feel like the rich guys who didn't want to spend as much as the rich guys chasing them, just shut the door on them and created something to restore the gap they previously had. Kroenke doesn't want to spend that much, but Wolves and Everton are up for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 04/20/21 12:25:25 PM #74:	As someone who doesn't follow european football hardly at all, the thing I read yesterday said that one of the heads of these clubs trying to break away is claiming that that literally all the clubs involved in the CL will DIE by 2024 if changes don't happen, because of money. I quite frankly, will never believe that. And IF that somehow is true, then from what it sounds like they put themselves in this hole by overspending, so let them die imo. You reap what you sow, and the amt of "overspending" the biggest and most prestigious clubs in the WORLD would have to do to get themselves to a point where they financially cannot exist in three years...I can't fathom it. It sounds beyond stupid for them to have done this to themselves if that is truly the extent of how dire it is to the point where they would feel the actual NEED to do something this drastic to the structure of the sport to fix it. Also I don't really see how it's different than the MLB example that was provided. All it is is the most prestigious clubs always being in the best league regardless of how **ty they are, hence the "15 permanent members who cannot be relegated." Except it's not so much about trying to keep the lesser teams out (since I assume 5 other lesser teams can still get in) as it is about keeping prestigious yet possibly ty teams from falling out of the public eye, which imo is equally egregious. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:953035921] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>As someone who doesn't follow european football hardly at all, the thing I read yesterday said that one of the heads of these clubs trying to break away is claiming that that literally all the clubs involved in the CL will DIE by 2024 if changes don't happen, because of money. I quite frankly, will never believe that. And IF that somehow is true, then from what it sounds like they put themselves in this hole by overspending, so let them die imo. You reap what you sow, and the amt of "overspending" the biggest and most prestigious clubs in the WORLD would have to do to get themselves to a point where they financially cannot exist in three years...I can't fathom it. It sounds beyond stupid for them to have done this to themselves if that is truly the extent of how dire it is to the point where they would feel the actual NEED to do something this drastic to the structure of the sport to fix it. Also I don't really see how it's different than the MLB example that was provided. All it is is the most prestigious clubs always being in the best league regardless of how ty they are, hence the "15 permanent members who cannot be relegated." Except it's not so much about trying to keep the lesser teams out (since I assume 5 other lesser teams can still get in) as it is about keeping prestigious yet possibly **ty teams from falling out of the public eye, which imo is equally egregious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 04/20/21 12:30:32 PM #75:	Really the deciding factor will be the players. If the players are forced to pick between playing domestically and for their country vs money and the super league then eventually the talent pool will dictate which side puts out the better product. The super league only works if the best players are in it and the television money can support it. If there's enough of a split in talent then it won't work as the current teams can just refuse to sell to super league clubs unless there's a ridiculous transfer fee and they would also not have any sort of feeder system either. Eventually the television money would fall if the super league talent pool wasn't significantly better than what the current system has. This of course requires UEFA and FIFA to actually enforce their threats. <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:953036063] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Really the deciding factor will be the players. If the players are forced to pick between playing domestically and for their country vs money and the super league then eventually the talent pool will dictate which side puts out the better product. The super league only works if the best players are in it and the television money can support it. If there's enough of a split in talent then it won't work as the current teams can just refuse to sell to super league clubs unless there's a ridiculous transfer fee and they would also not have any sort of feeder system either. Eventually the television money would fall if the super league talent pool wasn't significantly better than what the current system has. This of course requires UEFA and FIFA to actually enforce their threats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 2:15:48 PM #76:	Chelsea and City look like they're pulling out Lol --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953039462] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Chelsea and City look like they're pulling out Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 2:21:18 PM #77:	ChichiriMuyo posted... I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree. Have you actually seen the proposed esl figures? There is no real way for the ESL teams to also play in the CL, which would therefore lose a lot of value without said teams so getting in the CL wouldn't give enough money to compete. Even if they somehow did, then the imbalance would be even worse. --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953039662] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted...</cite> <quote>I doubt it. I mean, there is barely any semblance of balance right now, but that wouldn't really get destroyed by this unless... EUFA decides not to play ball. There are ways for these teams to get what they want and for smaller teams to get enough scratch to upset them, but that requires all parties to agree. </quote> Have you actually seen the proposed esl figures? There is no real way for the ESL teams to also play in the CL, which would therefore lose a lot of value without said teams so getting in the CL wouldn't give enough money to compete. Even if they somehow did, then the imbalance would be even worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 3:02:12 PM #78:	And now Woodward has resigned as Man Utd chief exec This would appear to be crumbling --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953040890] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>And now Woodward has resigned as Man Utd chief exec This would appear to be crumbling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 04/20/21 3:03:38 PM #79:	https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1384571085144854530 --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:953040941] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1384571085144854530 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 04/20/21 3:05:50 PM #80:	Woodward out? Fucking yes! At least something positive has come from this shit show. It would be fantasy but hopefully this is the first step to the Glazers fucking off too <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:953041015] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Woodward out? Fucking yes! At least something positive has come from this shit show. It would be fantasy but hopefully this is the first step to the Glazers fucking off too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esuriat 04/20/21 3:10:23 PM #81:	This is hilarious --- Essy <cite>Esuriat posted [p:953041165] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>This is hilarious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
handsomeboy2012 04/20/21 3:33:20 PM #82:	I do wonder what is Perezs expression right now. And the Glazers and FSG and whatever. Total bellends <cite>handsomeboy2012 posted [p:953041879] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I do wonder what is Perezs expression right now. And the Glazers and FSG and whatever. Total bellends </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hardcore_Adult 04/20/21 5:14:59 PM #83:	Super League can suck a fucking dick. --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... <cite>Hardcore_Adult posted [p:953045552] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Super League can suck a fucking dick. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 5:16:14 PM #84:	I've been following this today, it sounds like an epic mess and people revolting against their own teams and teams revolting against their own owners. And everyone else in the world just firing from all directions.. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953045615] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I've been following this today, it sounds like an epic mess and people revolting against their own teams and teams revolting against their own owners. And everyone else in the world just firing from all directions.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 04/20/21 5:29:11 PM #85:	Honestly the funniest part of this is it made the UEFA and FIFA the good guys in this somehow --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:953046195] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Honestly the funniest part of this is it made the UEFA and FIFA the good guys in this somehow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 04/20/21 5:30:59 PM #86:	I find it hilarious how fast this is falling apart after how long it must have taken in secret to agree to this. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:953046286] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I find it hilarious how fast this is falling apart after how long it must have taken in secret to agree to this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 04/20/21 5:31:17 PM #87:	I'm sure we'll never really know, but I'd imagine UEFA reached out to these teams and offered them a little something to give it up. Good for them if they did. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:953046301] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I'm sure we'll never really know, but I'd imagine UEFA reached out to these teams and offered them a little something to give it up. Good for them if they did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 5:35:58 PM #88:	masterplum posted... I find it hilarious how fast this is falling apart after how long it must have taken in secret to agree to this. The question is simple though: How could they possibly have expected any other result other than extreme backlash? Nothing in US sports comes anywhere near comparing to the fervor over football in Europe and South America. This basically just shit over an entire continent of fans and somehow tried to also shoehorn Covid as part of its excuse for doing it. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953046481] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>I find it hilarious how fast this is falling apart after how long it must have taken in secret to agree to this.</quote>The question is simple though: How could they possibly have expected any other result other than extreme backlash? Nothing in US sports comes anywhere near comparing to the fervor over football in Europe and South America. This basically just shit over an entire continent of fans and somehow tried to also shoehorn Covid as part of its excuse for doing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 04/20/21 5:42:34 PM #89:	I think they expected the backlash from fans and other clubs; going off of Real madrid's prez comments, what they didn't expect was that they would actually follow through on their threats to expel participating clubs. That prez basically tried to call their bluff and said "They aren't going to kick us out or ban our players from int'l competitions" and I think it was made very clear to them that yes, they would. I personally think that was the impetus for this sudden back-out - they tried to posture up to uefa/fifa and got burned. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:953046762] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>I think they expected the backlash from fans and other clubs; going off of Real madrid's prez comments, what they didn't expect was that they would actually follow through on their threats to expel participating clubs. That prez basically tried to call their bluff and said "They aren't going to kick us out or ban our players from int'l competitions" and I think it was made very clear to them that yes, they would. I personally think that was the impetus for this sudden back-out - they tried to posture up to uefa/fifa and got burned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 5:46:27 PM #90:	They wouldn't even hesitate to expel them, and the fact that they thought that they were "calling a bluff" just shows how badly they miscalculated the entire situation. They did not anticipate anywhere near the level of backlash they received. --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953046915] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>They wouldn't even hesitate to expel them, and the fact that they thought that they were "calling a bluff" just shows how badly they miscalculated the entire situation. They did not anticipate anywhere near the level of backlash they received. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 04/20/21 5:54:33 PM #91:	Arsenals backing out now Wonder which Premier League clubs gonna be the last one to back out --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:953047180] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Arsenals backing out now Wonder which Premier League clubs gonna be the last one to back out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 6:05:30 PM #92:	Aaaand it's done. Now for the FA, PL and UEFA - as well as government, possibly - to introduce draconian, aggressive measures to punish these motherfuckers. --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953047599] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Aaaand it's done. Now for the FA, PL and UEFA - as well as government, possibly - to introduce draconian, aggressive measures to punish these motherfuckers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 04/20/21 6:05:36 PM #93:	They are all out <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:953047604] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>They are all out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 04/20/21 6:07:06 PM #94:	What they should do is force the German structure onto these teams so that they can't do this shit again <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:953047643] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>What they should do is force the German structure onto these teams so that they can't do this shit again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 6:08:51 PM #95:	Man U reportedly out, Barca is letting it's players say no so it doesn't have to. This rapid collapse has been a fun watch~ --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953047690] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Man U reportedly out, Barca is letting it's players say no so it doesn't have to. This rapid collapse has been a fun watch~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emeraldegg 04/20/21 6:12:27 PM #96:	ShatteredElysium posted... What they should do is force the German structure onto these teams so that they can't do this shit again What is the german structure? --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss <cite>Emeraldegg posted [p:953047829] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>ShatteredElysium posted...</cite> <quote>What they should do is force the German structure onto these teams so that they can't do this shit again </quote> What is the german structure?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 6:14:30 PM #97:	Now every club but Tottenham is confirmed withdrawing. LiquidOshawott posted... Arsenals backing out now Wonder which Premier League clubs gonna be the last one to back out We have a winner! --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953047923] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Now every club but Tottenham is confirmed withdrawing. LiquidOshawott posted... </cite> <quote>Arsenals backing out now Wonder which Premier League clubs gonna be the last one to back out</quote>We have a winner! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 6:15:24 PM #98:	Emeraldegg posted... What is the german structure? External private investors can't own more than 49% of the club --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953047953] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Emeraldegg posted...</cite> <quote> What is the german structure?</quote> External private investors can't own more than 49% of the club</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 6:15:50 PM #99:	Crescent-Moon posted... Now every club but Tottenham is confirmed withdrawing. We have a winner! Spurs confirmed their exit at roughly the same time as the others did In fact from my brief search it looks like Lpool, Arsenal and Spurs at least posted their withdrawal statements simultaneously --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953047969] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Crescent-Moon posted...</cite> <quote>Now every club but Tottenham is confirmed withdrawing. We have a winner! </quote> Spurs confirmed their exit at roughly the same time as the others did In fact from my brief search it looks like Lpool, Arsenal and Spurs at least posted their withdrawal statements simultaneously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescent-Moon 04/20/21 6:19:55 PM #100:	Both things I was looking at said everyone but them. Guess they got hosed~ --- So a planet's somewhere out there, their history the same as ours is written. The only difference is that... Everyone's a kitten! <cite>Crescent-Moon posted [p:953048132] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>Both things I was looking at said everyone but them. Guess they got hosed~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 04/20/21 6:20:54 PM #101:	https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-quit-super-league-after-fa-ban-warning?__twitter_impression=true Looks like it fell apart in part due to the FA and government working together to deny work permits etc to players if they proceeded. Nice. --- Not to be confused with XIII_stones. https://imgur.com/agodP3r <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:953048168] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-quit-super-league-after-fa-ban-warning?__twitter_impression=true Looks like it fell apart in part due to the FA and government working together to deny work permits etc to players if they proceeded. Nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 04/20/21 6:41:28 PM #102:	"We made a mistake, and we apologize." says Arsenal. No, fuck off. You don't just get to apologize. I want heads rolling for this. Vinai out. Kroenke out. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:953048956] in Fellow Eng... [t:79413712]...</cite> <quote>"We made a mistake, and we apologize." says Arsenal. No, fuck off. You don't just get to apologize. I want heads rolling for this. Vinai out. Kroenke out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > Fellow English Premier League fans. (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Fellow English Premier League fans.