Poll of the Day > Another day, another mass shooting

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Oh cool, Zeus is just telling outright lies about me again

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ReturnOfFa posted...

You're awesome, I'm not tryna be a dick XD

not at all :D, In fact I believe it's critical that people press each other for sources.

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Mead posted...

and I dont care what your opinion is, there need to be more waiting periods and red flag laws to keep people in mentally unstable states from being able to get a gun

even if you dont like individual ideas being proposed thats no excuse to do nothing. The time for that is long past

'Mentally unstable' is a broad term that can easily be used to discriminate. If you have general depression are you mentally unstable? Seasonal depression? Anxiety? ADD? OCD? Bipolar? Or are we drawing the line at schizophrenia? Are we going to pick and choose which medical conditions alienate you from your second amendment rights?

Or maybe just by medications? As a Pennsylvania medical cannabis card owner, I cannot legally own or operate a firearm. Because cannabis can make one 'mentally unstable'. So frankly I'm not in a hurry to see blanket laws with 'unforeseen' consequences implemented federally.

Actual solutions.... universal healthcare including mental health, shorter work weeks, increased minimum wage, standardized paid leave, and the cultural normalization of mental health check ups.

People shoot people because they're crazy. They're crazy because they're stressed out, underpaid, overworked, and we've stigmatized mental health concerns. No law is going to fix that. It's a bandaid on a bullet wound. Frankly any legislation proposed is merely the appearance of help while the underlying issues are simultaneously ignored.

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BADoglick posted...

People shoot people because they're crazy.

I wonder what crazy people shoot people with when they cant get a gun. Slingshots probably

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BADoglick posted...

Frankly any legislation proposed is merely the appearance of help while the underlying issues are simultaneously ignored.

and lord knows we can only do one thing or nothing at all! No reason cat all to deal with mental illness AND the fucking gun crisis we have in this country

the rest of the developed world has figured this shit out, there is no reason for there to just be fucking unlimited guns fucking everywhere yet we continue to let the manufacturers produce and sell them by the millions in this country where we have a hell of a lot more guns than we do people

fuck the second amendment, it literally was not meant for this or anything even close to it

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Mead posted...

I wonder what crazy people shoot people with when they cant get a gun. Slingshots probably

You can always get a gun. Black market. Steal one. Already own one and not sell it during a buy back.

Again, I don't know how any liberal can watch police murder people regularly without repercussion and think gee, maybe they should be the only ones trusted with guns. Let's pass legislation that both further stigmatizes mental health and leads to more police power.

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BADoglick posted...

You can always get a gun. Black market. Steal one. Already own one and not sell it during a buy back.

That doesnt mean it should be ridiculously easy for the dumbest people that anyone knows with the least amount of self control should be able to easily get a handgun or semi automatic with hardly any questions asked

and there are simply too many fucking guns here and that is going to change. Enough is enough. More guns just cause more violence end of story.

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Mead posted...

people getting killed all the fucking time is worse than racism actually

'I can excuse racism but....'

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community

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BADoglick posted...

'I can excuse racism but....'

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community

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BADoglick posted...

You can always get a gun. Black market. Steal one. Already own one and not sell it during a buy back.

Again, I don't know how any liberal can watch police murder people regularly without repercussion and think gee, maybe they should be the only ones trusted with guns. Let's pass legislation that both further stigmatizes mental health and leads to more police power.

It's going to take me a lot more effort to get a gun where I live than it takes to walk into a Walmart and buy one.

Ah yes, let me just call up my black market gun friends.

also, why is it always criminals that are the example given for 'people can always get guns'. what about suicidal people? once again, it's way easier to walk into a store in certain American states and buy a gun as a suicidal person. here in Canada....gonna be a little tougher to blow your brains out on a whim. NOT saying it isn't going to happen. but there are more systemic barriers to gun ownership. yet oddly, I still know plenty of people that enjoy hunting and bagging big game. wow. it's almost as if the attitude is different AND the laws are different, imagine!

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BADoglick posted...

'I can excuse racism but....'

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/456243-actually-gun-restrictions-will-target-the-black-community

David S. Damato (the author) is the Board of Policy Advisors for the Heartland Institute.


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BADoglick posted...

Again, I don't know how any liberal can watch police murder people regularly without repercussion and think gee, maybe they should be the only ones trusted with guns. Let's pass legislation that both further stigmatizes mental health and leads to more police power.

Wait, are the police less inclined to shoot you if they think or know you're armed?

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I don't think the bipolar people I know want guns lmfao

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Police in Japan only fired 6 shots in 2015.

Maybe American police can use guns less too lol. Arm everyone is always the conservative answer, but it didn't fucking help Chris Kyle!

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I think people should be able to arm themselves with the same weapons their government could potentially use against them. Every person should have easy access to stealth bombers and nuclear weapons.

ReturnOfFa posted...

also, why is it always criminals that are the example given for 'people can always get guns'

Yeah, pretty much all mass shooting perpetrators don't have criminal records until they snap.

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You should have to present proof that you aren't a virgin to buy a gun. Pretty much will eliminate all mass shootings.

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Mead posted...

people getting killed all the fucking time is worse than racism actually

One of the grossest things I've read.

"Racism is ok if it saves just one life"
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ultra magnus13 posted...

One of the grossest things I've read.

"Racism is ok if it saves just one life"

That seems to be a different statement than the one I made.

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Mead posted...

You're exceptionally good at nitpicking one part of a post and ignoring 95% of the content. It's almost like you refuse to acknowledge anything that you're unable to refute.

Inb4 Mead highlights the 'you're exceptionally good' part of my post without acknowledging the rest

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BADoglick posted...

You're exceptionally good at nitpicking one part of a post and ignoring 95% of the content. It's almost like you refuse to acknowledge anything that you're unable to refute.

Inb4 Mead highlights the 'you're exceptionally good' part of my post without acknowledging the rest

sorry for not letting you drag a discussion down into the weeds like you wanted

I dont really give a fuck about the opinion of someone who thinks there shouldnt be any legislation regarding the near unfettered ability to procure weapons of war

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HelIWithoutSin posted...

Wait, are the police less inclined to shoot you if they think or know you're armed?

I think we both know it doesn't matter. If they want to shoot you they will, and they'll get away with it


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BADoglick posted...

I think we both know it doesn't matter. If they want to shoot you they will, and they'll get away with it

some of us are intent on changing that, and we are going to

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Mead posted...

sorry for not letting you drag a discussion down into the weeds like you wanted

I dont really give a fuck about the opinion of someone who thinks there shouldnt be any legislation regarding the near unfettered ability to procure weapons of war

Drag down a discussion? So you mean your rage induced obscenity filled rants are elevating said discussion?

Sorry if another liberal challenging your viewpoints is too much for you. Frankly I think disparate racism and mental health discrimination are worthy topics but apparently they're beneath you.

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Mead posted...

some of us are intent on changing that, and we are going to

You know relinquishing guns means that they'll be a higher demand for law enforcement, and that a higher demand for law enforcement means a larger budget, increased militarization, and more legal protections for officers right?


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BADoglick posted...

Frankly I think disparate racism and mental health discrimination are worthy topics

So make them

Im all for dismantling racist policies and behavior and as a connoisseur of mental health problems Im well in favor of pushing for more enlightened and accepting views

I also think there are too many damn guns being produced and sold this country and that a big part of that problem is that too many damn guns are produced and sold in this country.

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BADoglick posted...

You know relinquishing guns means that they'll be a higher demand for law enforcement, and that a higher demand for law enforcement means a larger budget, increased militarization, and more legal protections for officers right?

the thing that gives departments higher budgets are fucking crimerates my dude which are going up across the country

you're super knowledgeable though so Im sure you already know that having more guns in a country than there are people couldnt possibly have any effect on the amount of violent crime and gunshot victims

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Mead posted...

So make them

Im all for dismantling racist policies and behavior and as a connoisseur of mental health problems Im well in favor of pushing for more enlightened and accepting views

I also think there are too many damn guns being produced and sold this country and that a big part of that problem is that too many damn guns are produced and sold in this country.

You say you're in favor of pushing for more enlightened and accepting views, yet advocate for discrimination against those with mental illness. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance here, which is proven by your 'sO mAkE tHeM ' comment, because clearly you still can't wrap your head around the concept that gun laws ARE the discriminatory bills. It's not a separate topic. Connect your wires homie

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ultra magnus13 posted...

One of the grossest things I've read.

"Racism is ok if it saves just one life"

Yeah I don't think Mead would ever say that, sounds like some words you stuck in his mouth.

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BADoglick posted...

You say you're in favor of pushing for more enlightened and accepting views, yet advocate for discrimination against those with mental illness. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance here, which is proven by your 'sO mAkE tHeM ' comment, because clearly you still can't wrap your head around the concept that gun laws ARE the discriminatory bills. It's not a separate topic. Connect your wires homie

You're tying less simple gun-access to discriminating against the mentally ill. I'm sorry, but there's a huge range of whether or not your mental illness will effect your ability to access guns in countries with apparently "discriminatory" gun laws. Some people are going to pass their (far more comprehensive) gun exams in Canada, regardless of their mental conditions, and some won't. It's not discriminatory. It's based on comprehensive knowledge and the ability to demonstrate it. In the USA, it's demonstrating that you have $100 in your wallet and on you go with your day.

Why do you have to add a dig at someone's intelligence every time you present a point?

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Like...there are probably some lovely people with down-syndrome that have their gun license here in Canada. There are also some lovely down-syndrome folks who...did not pass their exam. Were they discriminated against?

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BADoglick posted...

yet advocate for discrimination against those with mental illness.

if that discrimination stops some people from being shot to death, then fuck yeah

and to be clear, I think there should be a few more hoops to jump through when it comes to getting a firearm, even for the mentally well

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I'm DISCRIMINATED against when I go into the Pharmacy and they don't grant my request for 60 Valium!!!

oh wait some things require regulation and appraisal by a professional omg

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ReturnOfFa posted...

You're tying less simple gun-access to discriminating against the mentally ill. I'm sorry, but there's a huge range of whether or not your mental illness will effect your ability to access guns in countries with apparently "discriminatory" gun laws. Some people are going to pass their (far more comprehensive) gun exams in Canada, regardless of their mental conditions, and some won't. It's not discriminatory. It's based on comprehensive knowledge and the ability to demonstrate it. In the USA, it's demonstrating that you have $100 in your wallet and on you go with your day.

Why do you have to add a dig at someone's intelligence every time you present a point?

I've personally already been discriminated so with all due respect, I don't buy your first paragraph. I can't buy a gun because I'm epileptic and I have a medical cannabis card in my state.

And I mean if someone continues to ignore your legitimate points, repeatedly sasses you, and writes you off as 'dragging down the conversation' then they deserve the digs.


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Mead posted...

if that discrimination stops some people from being shot to death, then fuck yeah

and to be clear, I think there should be a few more hoops to jump through when it comes to getting a firearm, even for the mentally well

I can excuse discrimation but.....

So you openly admit to being ok with racism and discrimination. Pretty abhorrent bruh.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I'm DISCRIMINATED against when I go into the Pharmacy and they don't grant my request for 60 Valium!!!

oh wait some things require regulation and appraisal by a professional omg

That's a ridiculous strawman that barely deserves acknowledgement and I think you should be smart enough to know that.

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BADoglick posted...

You know relinquishing guns means that they'll be a higher demand for law enforcement, and that a higher demand for law enforcement means a larger budget, increased militarization, and more legal protections for officers right?

Police are so trigger happy, nervous, and armed to the teeth w/ literal military vehicles and equipment largely because of how heavily armed the populace is.
Literally any call they get to respond to, no matter how seemingly routine or benign, some yokel could have semi-auto rifles with large capacity magazines or all sorts of armaments to murder them in an instant.

BADoglick posted...

So you openly admit to being ok with racism and discrimination. Pretty abhorrent bruh.

Not ok with either but if theres a gun to my head, which is easily doable considering how easily folks can get them, Ill opt for folks to be wrongly treated if it is that or them being killed by gunfire

I guess you feel differently about that

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Mead posted...

Not ok with either but if theres a gun to my head, which is easily doable considering how easily folks can get them, Ill opt for folks to be wrongly treated if it is that or them being killed by gunfire

I guess you feel differently about that

You're right, I'm absolutely the one dragging down the conversation jfc

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BADoglick posted...

You're right, I'm absolutely the one dragging down the conversation

yeah you facetiously insisting that Im in favor of racism and discrimination totally brought a lot to the table

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America def doesnt have a gun problemo

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BADoglick posted...

I've personally already been discriminated so with all due respect, I don't buy your first paragraph. I can't buy a gun because I'm epileptic and I have a medical cannabis card in my state.

And I mean if someone continues to ignore your legitimate points, repeatedly sasses you, and writes you off as 'dragging down the conversation' then they deserve the digs.

Well, maybe your state doesn't have granular enough law. Don't apply your own situation in your state to other places with gun-control laws.

Here's an excerpt from bcepilepsy.com (province I live in)

Military services: Before you can sign up for The Canadian Armed Forces, your seizures must be well controlled. Even if your seizures are controlled, there may be restrictions on the use of firearms or driving heavy vehicles.
Royal Canadian Mounted Police: Each man is assessed on an individual basis by a doctor.
Fire fighters and police officers: It depends on each fire or police departments policy, but the decision to hire is usually based on a doctors recommendation.

Canada/BC doesn't seem to have laws against epileptics in terms of getting firearms, so take it up with your state. Or move if you like to predicate your life on whether or not you get to own a firearm.

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BADoglick posted...

I'll also add that historically gun restrictions have typically led to disparate racism once applied

This was your second comment.

Where is the data on this?

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ReturnOfFa posted...

This was your second comment.

Where is the data on this?

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/10/6/gun-controls-racist-past-and-present

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1142%26context%3Dsrhonorsprog&ved=2ahUKEwjL1ZrtkfzvAhVGGFkFHYqcBsUQFjADegQIDBAC&usg=AOvVaw2Krc0Tt5av3pDqOadaq934&cshid=1618348540443

Mead posted...

yeah you facetiously insisting that Im in favor of racism and discrimination totally brought a lot to the table

Facetiously? You explicitly said as much. Twice. You even gave it an 'f yeah'. Literally you:
'if that discrimination stops some people from being shot to death, then f*** yeah'

Also is there anything more facetious than the upside down smiley emoji?

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BADoglick posted...

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/10/6/gun-controls-racist-past-and-present

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1142%26context%3Dsrhonorsprog&ved=2ahUKEwjL1ZrtkfzvAhVGGFkFHYqcBsUQFjADegQIDBAC&usg=AOvVaw2Krc0Tt5av3pDqOadaq934&cshid=1618348540443

Pretty cool quote in the first article.

Saying gun laws are always racist is just false, he told Al Jazeera. Saying that gun laws have never been racist is also just wrong.

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Do these studies not provide discriminatory practices to avoid in gun-control law implementation and application? Does the article or study posted indicate data from other countries?

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The study also is openly biased. There are openly fallicious statements laced throughout it.

"Another popular misconception is that the high rate of firearms ownership is the cause of gun violence in the United States. This position, however, does not hold up to scrutiny. Both Israel and Switzerland have very high rates of gun ownership and the general population has easy access to fully automatic weapons, something not true in the US"

The Swiss regulatory system is far stricter than the US system and provides far more comprehensive training. Simply demonstrating that both countries have a high rate of gun ownership is an overly simplistic and disingenuous argument.

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/switzerland-high-gun-ownership?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2

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BADoglick posted...

Facetiously? You explicitly said as much. Twice. You even gave it an 'f yeah'. Literally you:
'if that discrimination stops some people from being shot to death, then f*** yeah'

so to clarify using your own weakass strawman

you think it is BETTER for people to be murdered than for them to be discriminated against? Because literally nobody is saying we should have either of those things happen when we can help it. But one is worse than the other.

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Damn it looks like there are more "systemic barriers" to gun ownership in Switzerland than the author of that study wants to reveal XD

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php#:~:text=The%20Swiss%20Weapons%20Act%20requires,personal%20weapon%20in%20their%20home.

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lmfao the Christian Science Monitor takes a more nuanced view than u bruh

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2018/0307/Switzerland-has-lots-of-guns.-But-its-gun-culture-takes-different-path-from-US

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Damn, a complete shut down.

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