Current Events > Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

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WhitGameR44 posted...

WWII. Otherwise they saved or destroyed other countries or hung out in other people's countries.

The US military has arguably caused more harm than good in the last 40 years.

I will say I don't hate the troops, I hate how it's leaders and how government uses them.

Tell us how super amazingly peaceful and prosperous things were in the world pre WW2? I'm honestly not seeing it. Hell I'm convinced the east would have caused WW5 by now if not for us.

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The military dick swinging has a point though. If the US wasn't swinging it's dick around all over the middle east then Russia would be doing it instead. Meanwhile the dudes already there just want to be left alone but are forced to choose who's dick they want rubbed in their face.

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Prismsblade posted...

Tell us how super amazingly peaceful and prosperous things were in the world pre WW2? I'm honestly not seeing it. Hell I'm convinced the east would have caused WW5 by now if not for us.

That's mainly do to nukes. If nukes were not a thing, the world would never have changed.

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I bet the percentage is even higher for cops.

Bio1590 posted...

Because 25% of Americans believe in some regard that covid was "planned" and being a healthcare worker doesn't automatically exempt you from being a fucking qanon fuckwit idiot.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-
who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-
was-planned/

I would respond to your post, but two of my messages have already been deleted by the mods. Seems like there's no room for any type of discussion on this.

Coincidentally, though, all the posts disrespecting our troops using disparaging terms are still up.

So, I can't really respond to your post.

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Houston posted...

I would respond to your post, but two of my messages have already been deleted by the mods. Seems like there's no room for any type of discussion on this.

Coincidentally, though, all the posts disrespecting our troops using disparaging terms are still up.

So, I can't really respond to your post.

I wonder why antivax bullshit is being modded

Hmm

SamAnders posted...

I wonder why antivax bullshit is being modded

Hmm

I didn't post anything anti-vaxx. Didn't say it was bad. Didn't say not to get it. Just defending people's personal choices.

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Joel95 posted...

I bet the percentage is even higher for cops.

Of course it is, look at those fuckwits in Oregon who openly stated they refused to enforce the state mask mandate earlier in the pandemic.
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BudDupree48 posted...

Garbage posts in here

It is CE. A garbage take is what CE is known for.

Still waiting for someone to throw in a comparison to police, then throw out ACAB because CEmen.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Not from a contagious disease that is disrupting our way of life apparently.

In the grand scheme of life it really isn't that bad.

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Monolith1676 posted...

In the grand scheme of life it really isn't that bad.

And the vaccine will make it less bad. I thought we hated lockdowns and wanted to get back to normal. I know I fucking want to.

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Houston posted...

Sure, you could look at it that way. Or you could look at it and wonder why 30% of our healthcare workers (who are on the frontlines with this virus and are quite familiar with it) are leery about getting it or won't get it.

Becuase they are stupid. You seem really big on choices until someone chooses to criticize something you agree with.

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wackyteen posted...

Though to be fair we were all sus about getting it because "holy shit the Army actually gave us a choice? What the fuck? Better avoid that shit"

Sounds like there's some context here us civilians are missing. What about having the choice means you should dodge the thing?

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Houston posted...

I didn't post anything anti-vaxx. Didn't say it was bad. Didn't say not to get it. Just defending people's personal choices.

It's not a personal choice when it can kill other people, is the thing.

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Guide posted...

Sounds like there's some context here us civilians are missing. What about having the choice means you should dodge the thing?

Because they're idiots.

I think this has been covered before. The Army/Navy/AF/whatever can't make it mandatory yet because the vaccines are still only approved for emergency use. Once its not then they can make it mandatory.

They're really just being given the illusion of choice right now and showing their whole asses.
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Bio1590 posted...

Because they're idiots.

I think this has been covered before. The Army/Navy/AF/whatever can't make it mandatory yet because the vaccines are still only approved for emergency use. Once its not then they can make it mandatory.

They're really just being given the illusion of choice right now and showing their whole asses

Yeah, this. In a while it'll go from "do you want to? No? Too bad." most likely.

Guide posted...

Sounds like there's some context here us civilians are missing. What about having the choice means you should dodge the thing?

The Army, military in general really, doesn't do "choice". Usually it's "fuck you, you're getting this or doing this" or whatever. Being given an option in the military should always be looked at sideways from a million different directions, because it means they don't trust it enough to mandate it and if they don't trust it enough to do that then why should we trust it enough to get it?

R_Jackal posted...

Yeah, this. In a while it'll go from "do you want to? No? Too bad." most likely.

Yeah eventually they'll mandate one of them.

I kind of figure they're waiting to see which vaccine has the least side effects and will mandate that one

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It's probably not mandatory because of supply issues which would create a weird situation for how to deal with companies where not everyone could get the shot.

It will eventually be mandatory.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Becuase they are stupid. You seem really big on choices until someone chooses to criticize something you agree with.

Criticize it all you want. I was responding in kind until it became obvious there can be no posts supporting people's right to chose whether or not they get vaccinated.

I've always held the position that if people want to take the vaccine, they should. I'd never criticize someone who decided to take it. And for the people who choose not to, I wouldn't criticize them either.

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Ton of easy tags in this one. Carry on and see how many more crawl out of the woodwork.

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Guide posted...

It's not a personal choice when it can kill other people, is the thing.

It's a personal choice, and by law, it literally is a personal choice. There is no government mandate saying otherwise. So quite literally, it is a personal choice. People who feel they are vulnerable to the virus and feel they can benefit from the vaccine should take it and socially distance if they're worried about it.

If you're concerned, take the vaccine, "mask up" and continue to conduct your business or daily routines how you see fit.

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YoungMan posted...

Lmao I never imagined I see someone being salty about people in the military, then going further and using it to reinforce their own shitty political bias. Well played.

Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong.


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There's a difference between defending the freedom of speech to call Obama the n-word and defending the person for choosing to do so. You are doing the latter.

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There's literally a user who on here who believes no black person should accept the vaccine until it's approved by the leaders of the Nation of Islam.

You can't just "their choice" harmful rhetoric. It should be relentlessly criticized.
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Houston posted...

It's a personal choice, and by law, it literally is a personal choice. There is no government mandate saying otherwise. So quite literally, it is a personal choice. People who feel they are vulnerable to the virus and feel they can benefit from the vaccine should take it and socially distance if they're worried about it.

If you're concerned, take the vaccine, "mask up" and continue to conduct your business or daily routines how you see fit.

Nothing you said precludes the fact that you can get someone killed from covid, which is the entire point of my statement. I'm not sure if you are aware of that and trying to dodge, or just don't understand.

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Bio1590 posted...

There's literally a user who on here who believes no black person should accept the vaccine until it's approved by the leaders of the Nation of Islam.

You can't just "their choice" harmful rhetoric. It should be relentlessly criticized.

the law disagrees with you

i know who youre talking about and ive butted heads with him recently over Nation of Islam and Black Hebrew Israelite and other extremist stuff like that, but i will still absolutely support that persons view on this specific issue

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i thought da marines were smart, lmao wtf
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Houston posted...

It's a personal choice, and by law, it literally is a personal choice. There is no government mandate saying otherwise. So quite literally, it is a personal choice. People who feel they are vulnerable to the virus and feel they can benefit from the vaccine should take it and socially distance if they're worried about it.

If you're concerned, take the vaccine, "mask up" and continue to conduct your business or daily routines how you see fit.

Personal choices and opinions have become wildly distorted in America. In a lot of cases, a choice has to be made. Swerving over every lane just makes sure everyone loses. If we aren't going to choose vaccines, then we might as well throw out all research and leave society up to nature. They're just a waste of time and money if they're not winning. All choices can't exist in harmony with each other. If your choice cancels out my choice, then how do we decide which choice wins? A society that actually respected all choices would just be pure chaos.

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They should just tell them the vaccines are made from crayons

pure_temper posted...

the law disagrees with you

i know who youre talking about and ive butted heads with him recently over Nation of Islam and Black Hebrew Israelite and other extremist stuff like that, but i will still absolutely support that persons view on this specific issue

What "law"? I never said anything about forcing them to take the vaccine.

Houston (because of course it's this user making this argument) is trying to say you can't criticize people for choosing not to get vaccinated, regardless of the reason, because it's a personal choice. Which is obviously a load of horseshit because that's arguing you can't criticize people for making a choice based on science denial, conspiracy theories, outright denial/literally making up history, etc.

No one would seriously argue that for any other scenario so why the fuck should we accept it here?
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Bio1590 posted...

What "law"? I never said anything about forcing them to take the vaccine.

Houston (because of course it's this user making this argument) is trying to say you can't criticize people for choosing not to get vaccinated, regardless of the reason, because it's a personal choice. Which is obviously a load of horseshit because that's arguing you can't criticize people for making a choice based on science denial, conspiracy theories, outright denial/literally making up history, etc.

No one would seriously argue that for any other scenario so why the fuck should we accept it here?

as long as you're not advocating for the law to change, then criticize all you want, that's gonna be the most effective path tbh

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They're young and in great shape. They don't need them.

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pure_temper posted...

as long as you're not advocating for the law to change, then criticize all you want, that's gonna be the most effective path tbh

"It's the law" is a weird take for someone who essentially advocates for overhauling society from the ground up.

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Where in the article does it say Marines specifically? It looks like none of the branches have released an acceptance rate as there is no military wide rate considering it's not available to all service members. The percentages mentioned are going off the bases and none of the ones mentioned are Marine Corps bases either.

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What are the statistics on fighter pilots declining it? Much like Marines they think they're invincible.

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60% accept rate at Fort Bragg, an army base = Nearly 40% opt-out from an entire branch of service, one unrelated to any of the bases mentioned too. I don't get where the topic title came from

Obviously there's a problem here, but you're intentionally making it about something else. Why?

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Crazyman93 posted...

What are the statistics on fighter pilots declining it? Much like Marines they think they're invincible.

I'm guessing close to 0% since catching COVID-19 will probably immediately end your fighter pilot career.

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Houston posted...

I didn't post anything anti-vaxx. Didn't say it was bad. Didn't say not to get it. Just defending people's personal choices.

Ahh the classic just asking questions.

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Stalolin posted...

Ahh the classic just asking questions.

AKA JAQing off

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to be fair marines arent the smartest branch

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At a media round-table in Hawaii last month, Lt. Gen. Ronald Place, Director of the Defense Health Agency addressed the issue, saying the hesitancy of young troops was understandable.

"For someone who's young and healthy and doesn't have the long-term information that they may want to know, it's a rational question to have," Place said. "The short-term safety profile is exceptional, but nobody, and I mean nobody, knows the long-term safety."

lol if anyone here has a problem with this, too bad - your opinion is noted and disregarded.

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Houston posted...

I would respond to your post, but two of my messages have already been deleted by the mods. Seems like there's no room for any type of discussion on this.

I guess not, epecially because what you said in those posts made absolute sense. There was more logic to find in those posts then in the reasons for deleting them I'm sure.

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Jx1010 posted...

Why so many people in this forum hate the troops so much? Wow I had no idea

If you match up the usernames with their posting history, their lifestyles, their selfies. It all make sense.

no disrespect to anyone

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darkprince45 posted...

no disrespect to anyone

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I really dont understand. For over a year now people have been crying about masks, lockdowns, all of it. Now theres a vaccine in place so we can get back to somewhat normal society and people dont want it.

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TerraSeeker posted...

They're young and in great shape. They don't need them.

This isnt true at all and I dont understand how people dont realize this.

I had COVID. Im alive and well for the most part. My cardiovascular health took a noticeable dip after though. I also am constantly tired. You may not die but its not like its harmless.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

damn
all this military disrespect

are you gonna fight if China started eatin our breakfast, lunch and dinner? ._.

Let me guess, you're an alt right Trump supporter who believes his "CHYNA BAD" shtick?

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*shrugs*
Sometimes, problems solve themselves.

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TrowaBarton7 posted...

Let me guess, you're an alt right Trump supporter who believes his "CHYNA BAD" shtick?

He is indeed
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