Current Events > Report: Sony will remake The Last of Us 1

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Trelve posted...

RE3 Remake wasn't that good though.

It was much better than RE2 REmake IMO.

I have no faith in the 4 remake whatsoever though. Capcom haven't made a game of that quality since .... well, since Resident Evil 4.

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so last gen we got a remaster and this gen we get a remake

next gen we get a remaster of the remake

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The most superfluous remake to have ever existed.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

next gen we get a remaster of the remake

No no no. We'll get a remake of the remaster

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IloveJesus posted...

It was much better than RE2 REmake IMO.

I have no faith in the 4 remake whatsoever though. Capcom haven't made a game of that quality since .... well, since Resident Evil 4.

LMAOOOO

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Maybe they can explain the super chompers that can bite off multiple fingers at once.

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teep_ posted...

The Last of Us: Abby Edition

no god pls no

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Resident Evil 1 was released in 1996. Resident Evil 1 Director's Cut was released in 1997. Resident Evil 1 Director's Cut Dualshock Verison was released in 1998. Resident Evil 1 Remake was released in 2002. Did anyone complain about this?

They are likely to push even more with the stuff people hated about TLOU 2. I also have no doubt they will make it as woke as possible.

Kind of sad for the fans of TLOU 1 who did not like the sequel and the new narrative.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

They are likely to push even more with the stuff people hated about TLOU 2. I also have no doubt they will make it as woke as possible.

Kind of sad for the fans of TLOU 1 who did not like the sequel and the new narrative.

Pretty hard to make it more woke than a white guy dooming humanity because he doesn't care about what the girl wants for herself.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

I mean, yeah. People definitely did.

The technological leap between RE1 and REMake is gigantic, also.

RE1 also isn't automatically playable on the gamecube if you have some type of online subscription either.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

RE2Make is one of the best games of the generation, and beautiful in its tight and thoughtful design, incredibly replayable.

RE3Make is kind of a mess

I'm afraid I completely disagree.

Don't get me wrong, RE3 isn't without flaws and I could see why people would find it disappointing. However, 2 is incredibly bland IMO. I'd much rather play the original. As far as replay value goes, I don't see any. I was really disappointed with it.

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Next gen we can look forward to The Last of Us Definitive Edition

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There going to make Joel so much an asshole that you're going to love what abby did in the sequel.

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mach25687 posted...

There going to make Joel so much an asshole that you're going to love what abby did in the sequel.

You mean like this.

https://youtu.be/51Xs6sZGq3o
https://youtu.be/uMCktOgaC5I

Joel95 posted...

You mean like this.

https://youtu.be/51Xs6sZGq3o

Oh yea, they add him grabbing Ellie when she talks about his daughter and throw her to the ground.
And the second scene he's going to put a knife on his brother neck, when he pushed him.

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The whole reason The Last of Us was picked was because it wouldn't be as big of an effort as Uncharted.

My guess is they'll make some Last of Us Ultimate Edition with TLOU2 for PS5. Which explains the lack of 60fps patch for the latter.

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We could've had a new Jak & Daxter...

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mach25687 posted...

Oh yea, they add him grabbing Ellie when she talks about his daughter and throw her to the ground.
And the second scene he's going to put a knife on his brother neck, when he pushed him.

Or they make him doom humanity and take away Ellie's choice and lie to her, oh wait.

Joel95 posted...

Or they make him doom humanity and take away Ellie's choice and lie to her, oh wait.

Nah, man they have to add more scene than that.

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Wonder if they'll add in a playable segment set during the time Joel and Tommy were part of a group that ambushed, trapped, and killed unsuspecting survivors to steal there stuff and "survive" because he's a "hero".

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

They're gonna make the surgeon shoot first to humanize Joel

hahahahaha

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They'll add some woke bullshit into it for sure.
Most overrated games.

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Can't believe it's been a year and people ITT still somehow think TLOU2 was trying to make Joel look evil. If anything, it was kinder to him than TLOU1 was. You felt for his pain in the first game, but he's established to be a gruff, hard-hearted smuggler who had spent plenty of time doing so much horrid shit in the apocalypse that it alienated his own brother, and only towards the end does he start to get back in touch with his vulnerability as a human. In the second, you actually saw him opened back up as a person, being a part of a community, a loving father figure to Ellie, and trying to help strangers in need (for which he unfortunately pays the price in this world). The game goes to painstaking lengths to communicate that none of Joel, Abby, or Ellie are binary good or evil characters and that they are simply people trying to navigate a fucked up world as best they can, and their individual actions are up to you to make a determination on. Even a character like Abby's dad is shown to be a hypocrite for his inability to say he'd be willing to do to Abby what he's about to do to Ellie. I liked Joel MORE after the second game; judging the morality of his various actions since Sarah's death is difficult and nuanced, but his love for Ellie was super pure. That museum sequence. Ugh.

Then again, I don't know why I'm bothering since the same people that can't get their heads around this also think TLOU2 was "obsessively woke" for having a trans kid and... not retconning Ellie to be straight I guess, I still don't know what the problem was exactly. Large overlap with the crowd that somehow thought Manny was a Druckmann insert or some shit.

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Blackstar110 posted...

Can't believe it's been a year and people ITT still somehow think TLOU2 was trying to make Joel look evil. If anything, it was kinder to him than TLOU1 was. You felt for his pain in the first game, but he's established to be a gruff, hard-hearted smuggler who had spent plenty of time doing so much horrid shit in the apocalypse that it alienated his own brother, and only towards the end does he start to get back in touch with his vulnerability as a human. In the second, you actually saw him opened back up as a person, being a part of a community, a loving father figure to Ellie, and trying to help strangers in need (for which he unfortunately pays the price in this world). The game goes to painstaking lengths to communicate that none of Joel, Abby, or Ellie are binary good or evil characters and that they are simply people trying to navigate a fucked up world as best they can, and their individual actions are up to you to make a determination on. Even a character like Abby's dad is shown to be a hypocrite for his inability to say he'd be willing to do to Abby what he's about to do to Ellie. I liked Joel MORE after the second game; judging the morality of his various actions since Sarah's death is difficult and nuanced, but his love for Ellie was super pure. That museum sequence. Ugh.

Then again, I don't know why I'm bothering since the same people that can't get their heads around this also think TLOU2 was "obsessively woke" for having a trans kid and... not retconning Ellie to be straight I guess, I still don't know what the problem was exactly. Large overlap with the crowd that somehow thought Manny was a Druckmann insert or some shit.

Tbh, when I finished TLOU1 back in 2013, I thought that in the sequel that Ellie would find out and Joel would be a complete asshole about it and say that she's not grateful for it and would be possessive of her. But it turned out that he was really respectful after her being mad at him and gave her space and time to be able to forgive him if she wanted.

Lulu Wilson for Ellie. Just watched Becky (2020). Shes not a lookalike the way some other actresses are, but she could 100% nail Ellies mannerisms.

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WaterLink posted...

It amazes me how this industry has learned how to make a bunch of money buy releasing the same game over and over because people keep buying them.

this for fuck sakes. Its one thing when the game hasnt been around for 20 years, but fuck tlou is recent as shit and still holds up and is in no need of a remake at all.

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Barber102 posted...

this for fuck sakes. Its one thing when the game hasnt been around for 20 years, but fuck tlou is recent as shit and still holds up and is in no need of a remake at all.

The Last of Us getting the Skyrim treatment.

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Barber102 posted...

this for fuck sakes. Its one thing when the game hasnt been around for 20 years, but fuck tlou is recent as shit and still holds up and is in no need of a remake at all.

Resident Evil 1 Remake and Metal Gear Solid 1 Remake came out 6 years after the original.

Joel95 posted...

Tbh, when I finished TLOU1 back in 2013, I thought that in the sequel that Ellie would find out and Joel would be a complete asshole about it and say that she's not grateful for it and would be possessive of her. But it turned out that he was really respectful after her being mad at him and gave her space and time to be able to forgive him if she wanted.

That too! He knew lying to her for that long was fucked up and was as contrite as could be while still protecting her, despite getting nothing in return from her. Joel was still a good and selfless dad to her after the lie was exposed. You could say the lie was selfish it probably was. That just makes Joel human, not some maniacal villain that were meant to root for his brains to get bashed in. So many people seem to think the game wanted you to think Abby was pure and Ellie+Joel are evil and to this day I have no idea what game they played.

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Also as for the necessity of the remake, for topicality, I dont think its necessary but by the time this thing comes out, were probably talking about a ten year anniversary, not to mention syncing up with the show. The previous remaster was basically an upscale a year after release. Skyrim treatment is hardly a fair charge IMO

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Blackstar110 posted...

That too! He knew lying to her for that long was fucked up and was as contrite as could be while still protecting her, despite getting nothing in return from her. Joel was still a good and selfless dad to her after the lie was exposed. You could say the lie was selfish it probably was. That just makes Joel human, not some maniacal villain that were meant to root for his brains to get bashed in. So many people seem to think the game wanted you to think Abby was pure and Ellie+Joel are evil and to this day I have no idea what game they played.

The ambiguity from the first game's ending is what made it so good and so highly discussed.

Too bad they've now decided that they need to lecture the player and tell them that it was a bad decision after all

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^ if you're talking about the ambiguity of whether Ellie knew Joel was lying or not, then sure, but there was no real ambiguity that he did the right thing, that Ellie would be cool with it, if she knew, hence the lying

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g0ldie posted...

^ if you're talking about the ambiguity of whether Ellie knew Joel was lying or not, then sure, but there was no real ambiguity that he did the right thing, that Ellie would be cool with it, if she knew, hence the lying

The thing with these people is they don't give a fuck about Joel robbing Ellie of her choice and lying to her since Ellie is a girl and Joel is a guy.

Joel95 posted...

The thing with these people is they don't give a fuck about Joel robbing Ellie of her choice and lying to her since Ellie is a girl and Joel is a guy.

The Last of Us **SPOILERS**The Fireflies were already robbing Ellie of her choice. Permanently, at that.

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Shablagoo posted...

The Last of Us **SPOILERS**The Fireflies were already robbing Ellie of her choice. Permanently, at that.

It was made clear that Ellie would've wanted to sacrifice herself and Joel knew that. I also didn't say that the Fireflies were saints either.

Joel95 posted...

It was made clear that Ellie would've wanted to sacrifice herself and Joel knew that.

This really was not made clear at all.

I also didn't say that the Fireflies were saints either.

Im not saying youre defending the Fireflies, just that with or without Joels actions she never had a choice in the first place because of the Fireflies.

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Shablagoo posted...

This really was not made clear at all.

Im not saying youre defending the Fireflies, just that with or without Joels actions she never had a choice in the first place because of the Fireflies.

Yes it was made clear. Marlene told Joel "you know Ellie would want this" and Joel had a sad look in his face and couldn't respond.

Its possible that she did. But no one actually asked her. And Marlene clearly had her own agenda when she said that.

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Joel95 posted...

The thing with these people is they don't give a fuck about Joel robbing Ellie of her choice and lying to her since Ellie is a girl and Joel is a guy.

Yes, it's totally a gender thing and not a parent thing

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Shablagoo posted...

Its possible that she did. But no one actually asked her. And Marlene clearly had her own agenda when she said that.

It's possible she did? In the end of the second game, she explicitly tells Joel that she should've died in the hospital because her life would've mattered and Joel took that from her.

SothaSil posted...

Yes, it's totally a gender thing and not a parent thing

If it was the parent thing, then Marlene would be more in the right since she took care of Ellie since she was a baby compared to Joel who only took care of her for like 9 months and half of that time, he wanted to get rid of her.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

The ambiguity from the first game's ending is what made it so good and so highly discussed.

Too bad they've now decided that they need to lecture the player and tell them that it was a bad decision after all

Luckily, the game neither lectures the player nor asserts it was a bad decision in any way that was not immediately obvious in TLOU1 (killing a bunch of people resulting in people mourning the deaths of those people).

The morality of Joels decision is literally not remotely impacted by the events of TLOU2. Joel killed a shitload of people to save Ellie and prevented a cure from being attempted whether it wouldve worked or not can be debated but was also entirely immaterial to Joels choice. Marlene alone in TLOU1 humanized the Fireflies as we know Ellie liked and trusted her as a friend of her moms. If you never factored huh, I guess those people probably had friends and families into the equation until being shown Abby, thats kind of just on your lack of imagination, not any change to the story.

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Joel95 posted...

It's possible she did? In the end of the second game, she explicitly tells Joel that she should've died in the hospital because her life would've mattered and Joel took that from her.

Thats basically a retcon though. It was never made clear in the first game and, regardless, no one ever actually gave Ellie the choice. Both the Fireflies and Joel were choosing for her.

My personal opinion? The Fireflies plan, as presented in the first game, was so half-baked and desperate that I dont blame Joel at all. There was a 90% chance that they would have killed Ellie for nothing.

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Shablagoo posted...

Thats basically a retcon though. It was never made clear in the first game and, regardless, no one ever actually gave Ellie the choice. Both the Fireflies and Joel were choosing for her.

My personal opinion? The Fireflies plan, as presented in the first game, was so half-baked and desperate that I dont blame Joel at all. There was a 90% chance that they would have killed Ellie for nothing.

I think youre right about both parties choosing for her and that lack of autonomy is a big part of Ellie being a bit messed up in TLOU2.

I do think youre wrong in assessing the scientific merits of their plan into Joels decision. He wouldve killed everyone in that hospital if you showed him 100% proof. And thats not necessarily evil, thats something I think many, many fathers would do. Dismissing the Fireflies chances of actually making the cure and using that in defense of Joel actually makes his decision LESS complex and is kind of a cop out on the choice he makes.

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^Youre right, thats fair. I dont think it factored into Joels decision, it just makes it easier for me to justify his actions from the outside.

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Shablagoo posted...

^Youre right, thats fair. I dont think it factored into Joels decision, it just makes it easier for me to justify his actions from the outside.

For sure, and I think that's natural because we love Joel and Ellie. At the same time, I've noticed a lot of people in the TLOU2 discourse leaning hard on "the scientific odds of it working were low" as a defense for Joel's actions when I think if we're being honest that a) it's a complete non-factor in Joel's decision and b) it's a bit of a weird line to draw for scientific practicality in a game where spores turn you into a mushroom man that hurls poisonous bombs at people, you know?

I personally think it's implied that it would've worked, but it's also kind of immaterial. The ethical question asked about Joel's decision is the same in both games -- does a father's love for his child morally justify killing the people trying to sacrifice her for a cure? A mirror question can be asked for the Fireflies -- even assuming the cure is a 100% slam dunk, is it justifiable to kill and harvest an unconscious child for it? If it's ethically acceptable to kill one kid, would it be ethically acceptable to kill 10? 100? If it's not a "slam dunk," what's the percentage of certainty where it becomes acceptable? Where's the line?

There aren't easy answers to these questions and there never were. I think people got so settled on their own answer from TLOU1 over seven years that, when reminded by TLOU2 that it was a pretty complex thing, they took it as the game declaring their previous view was wrong. No, there just was never a "right answer" and there still isn't, never will be. Whatever you thought of Joel's actions in TLOU1 is still valid and nothing in TLOU2 should really have changed that unless you simply re-evaluated and came to a new conclusion on your own.

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