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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:21:07 AM #1: |
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/opinion/google-job-harassment.html
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Kaldrenthebold 04/09/21 9:21:44 AM #2: |
She's right
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:21:56 AM #3: |
reminds me vaguely of something that happened last year at my company!
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NinjaWarrior455 04/09/21 9:22:12 AM #4: |
Were you dropped on your head?
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gunplagirl 04/09/21 9:22:41 AM #5: |
Kaldrenthebold posted...
She's rightYeah, I don't see how anyone can think otherwise --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 04/09/21 9:24:56 AM #6: |
If she's denied a promotion because of her sex, that's discrimination no matter how much she's making.
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:25:11 AM #7: |
Kaldrenthebold posted...
She's right gunplagirl posted... Yeah, I don't see how anyone can think otherwiseHow could you expect high performance rating and a promotion after taking three months off? Thats ridiculous. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kakapo 04/09/21 9:25:55 AM #8: |
Unless it's a job that you find personally fulfilling, pays well and has an excellent workplace culture, don't love a job.
Love a paycheck. Be a mercenary shit, god knows everyone else is. That said, I love my job. --- Did my singing please you? No, the words you sang were wrong 24 hour party parrot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:26:10 AM #9: |
remember the people you are talking to
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UnfairRepresent 04/09/21 9:27:03 AM #10: |
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gunplagirl 04/09/21 9:27:36 AM #11: |
IdiotMachine posted...
How could you expect high performance rating and a promotion after taking three months off? Thats ridiculous.Unless she was doing work on vacation, it isn't something that should be held against someone. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:29:15 AM #12: |
FortuneCookie posted...
If she's denied a promotion because of her sex, that's discrimination no matter how much she's making.It seems like shes framing it to make it look like that, but taking three months off and then still expecting high performance rating, especially at a fast-pace and highly visible position like Google, is ridiculous. Then getting a normal rating, then asking for a promotion, is doubling down on the ridiculousness. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:30:04 AM #13: |
no you see google is in the wrong because company and they have the money to pay the employee so why don't they just do it
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:30:47 AM #14: |
gunplagirl posted...
Unless she was doing work on vacation, it isn't something that should be held against someone.Taking vacation = no work progressing. Performance rating depends entirely on your work progressing. If youre taking a couple weeks here or there, it shouldnt affect your rating; but if you take a couple weeks during critical times, or taking a massive time off? You bet your ass youre not getting a 5/5. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:32:11 AM #15: |
IdiotMachine posted...
If youre taking a couple weeks here or there, it shouldnt affect your rating; but if you take a couple weeks during critical times, or taking a massive time off? You bet your ass youre not getting a 5/5. people that are going to tell you that you are wrong have no idea how any of this works but a lot of confidence about how everything should work --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:33:20 AM #17: |
literally 25% of the year she was off IN A BLOCK
if that's her vacation allotment and that's the way the system works, then there should absolutely be no punishment for that because she did what was allowed however, to be incensed you don't get promoted after that is some stupid entitled bullshit --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 04/09/21 9:34:01 AM #18: |
IdiotMachine posted...
Taking vacation = no work progressing. Performance rating depends entirely on your work progressing.Performance ratings should be based solely on the quality of your work. Unless she took her vacation smack dab in the middle of some huge project only possible to complete on time with her there, and she knew it was coming up when she scheduled the vacation? Holding it against her for taking her contractually entitled vacation time is fucking petty. But then, I remembered your username so I can only hope you're pretending. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 04/09/21 9:36:03 AM #19: |
TC as an employer: oh, you went home after work? You're not progressing your work, so the best I can possibly do is give you a 3/5 review.
Taking work home and illegally working off the clock? Great commitment but you're opening us up to a lot of financial and legal problems. 1/5, and you're fired. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Squall28 04/09/21 9:37:00 AM #20: |
These performance rankings are often against your peers. You don't get a high ranking just for doing your job. You gotta go above and beyond.
I don't fault her for not being comfortable there anymore, or finding better opportunities elsewhere. But no need to throw your employer under the bus after they already dealt with the issue for you. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:37:06 AM #21: |
The Trent posted...
people that are going to tell you that you are wrong have no idea how any of this works but a lot of confidence about how everything should workSo to clarify on how things work for engineer performance ratings (from my experience at working for three different large companies as a mechanical engineer):
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SergeantGander 04/09/21 9:37:09 AM #22: |
gunplagirl posted...
Unless she was doing work on vacation, it isn't something that should be held against someone. I agree. However, if the supervisors are monitoring work performance in anticipation of promotions, actively seeing your co-workers doing work and getting stuff done...why would they put the person that is away at their top of their list? --- LoL IGN: MsRaffensperger ~Dennis~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 04/09/21 9:37:42 AM #23: |
lol@corporate shills who think you should get low reviews for taking vacation time you are owed
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:37:52 AM #24: |
"welcome back from your entire 3 months off, it's time to do employee reviews in our HR cycle and honestly we haven't seen you work in 3 months, making your current work product as well as organization fit and productivity a little difficult to judge, so it's going to be a cost of living increase for you"
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Kaldrenthebold 04/09/21 9:38:07 AM #25: |
IdiotMachine posted...
How could you expect high performance rating and a promotion after taking three months off? Thats ridiculous. The point is, jobs don't care about you and you can get more money elsewhere. Don't love your job, it is a business contract back and forth. If they aren't holding up their end of the bargain, someone else will. I am in the same exact boat she is, minus 3 months paid vacation, plus lack of acknowledgement and salary. So my goal is to get a higher paying job since I have the ability and this job is clearly screwing me over. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:38:28 AM #26: |
Squall28 posted...
These performance rankings are often against your peers. You don't get a high ranking just for doing your job. You gotta go above and beyond.Yup. The first half of the article, i thought this was going to go somewhere else (like Google tried to cover up and stuff, as they did in the past). --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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skermac 04/09/21 9:42:39 AM #28: |
IdiotMachine posted...
How could you expect high performance rating and a promotion after taking three months off? Thats ridiculous. paid time off should not even be a factor --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SK8T3R215 04/09/21 9:42:49 AM #29: |
Women are so oppressed.
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krazychao5 04/09/21 9:43:11 AM #30: |
lmao i bet her new employers are real excited about her just shruggin' "yeah, it's a job" after professing so much love for the goog
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:44:19 AM #31: |
skermac posted...
paid time off should not even be a factorThe point is the extended time off led to her performance reduction. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kakapo 04/09/21 9:44:26 AM #32: |
The Trent posted...
"welcome back from your entire 3 months off, it's time to do employee reviews in our HR cycle and honestly we haven't seen you work in 3 months, making your current work product as well as organization fit and productivity a little difficult to judge, so it's going to be a cost of living increase for you" Well, yeah. If it's approved leave, people shouldn't be penalised for it. --- Did my singing please you? No, the words you sang were wrong 24 hour party parrot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:45:13 AM #33: |
Kakapo posted...
Well, yeah. If it's approved leave, people shouldn't be penalised for it. she's not being penalized not getting a promotion is not a penalty --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Squall28 04/09/21 9:45:53 AM #34: |
IdiotMachine posted...
In the end, a rating between 1-5 is handed out. This is handed out as a bell curve through the entire department. So for every 5 someone gets, someone gets a 1; etc. Yeah it's not like an Uber rating where you get a 5 for just doing your job. If you get an equivalent to a 3/5, it means you did average compared to your peers. It's not bad. She did not get a bad review. She got a normal one. I'm not a fan of pitting coworkers against each other but that's a different conversation. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:47:49 AM #35: |
Squall28 posted...
I'm not a fan of pitting coworkers against each other but that's a different conversation. THIS my company doesn't rate bonuses against peers, and everyone in my industry that i've talked to from a company that did it that way absolutely hates it --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kakapo 04/09/21 9:49:37 AM #36: |
The Trent posted...
she's not being penalized Whether or not she's eligible for a promotion should be based on the work she's done during the time she's actually working. So, before she went on leave. --- Did my singing please you? No, the words you sang were wrong 24 hour party parrot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 04/09/21 9:50:11 AM #37: |
Unless the company wants you to take your vacation in large chunks(like say they want you to use up all your time between big projects so they know you can't take off during them), if she did take 3 months off in a row or close to it, that would negatively affect things. Like the folks are going to partially forget you even exist.
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krazychao5 04/09/21 9:50:54 AM #38: |
Kakapo posted...
Whether or not she's eligible for a promotion should be based on the work she's done during the time she's actually working. So, before she went on leave.and it is in relation to others looking for said promotion. so people who put in more work, more consistently, and also applied for promotion would be selected ahead. because they showed they are more reliable. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:52:01 AM #39: |
Kakapo posted...
Whether or not she's eligible for a promotion should be based on the work she's done during the time she's actually working. So, before she went on leave. perhaps the work she did 75% of the year was average? there's a lot in play here --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:53:50 AM #40: |
The Trent posted...
people that are going to tell you that you are wrong have no idea how any of this works but a lot of confidence about how everything should work Kakapo posted... Well, yeah. If it's approved leave, people shouldn't be penalised for it. Kakapo posted... Whether or not she's eligible for a promotion should be based on the work she's done during the time she's actually working. So, before she went on leave. dude you can tell me what should be all you want, i'm just going to tell you reality about how massive employers are going to treat this situation for the most part --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shironinja 04/09/21 9:56:26 AM #41: |
love what you do never work a day in your life.
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:57:14 AM #42: |
shironinja posted...
love what you do never work a day in your life. i remember that episode of dexter --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 04/09/21 9:57:19 AM #43: |
krazychao5 posted...
and it is in relation to others looking for said promotion. so people who put in more work, more consistently, and also applied for promotion would be selected ahead. because they showed they are more reliable.^that. Youre not penalized for taking vacation. You just got a 3. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 04/09/21 9:57:44 AM #44: |
Are we supposed to hate this person for looking out for herself cuz I'm not getting absolutely any of those bullet points.
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krazychao5 04/09/21 9:58:25 AM #45: |
Jagr_68 posted...
Are we supposed to hate this person for looking out for herself cuz I'm not getting absolutely any of those bullet points.no, we are not supposed to feel bad for her, either. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 9:59:09 AM #47: |
Jagr_68 posted...
This is just capitalist work culture in a nutshell. this guy has read some dilbert comic strips in his life --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kakapo 04/09/21 9:59:44 AM #48: |
Jagr_68 posted...
Are we supposed to hate this person for looking out for herself cuz I'm not getting absolutely any of those bullet points. I think we're supposed to hate her for needing 3 months leave after being repeatedly sexually harrassed when the company refused to move the asshat from the desk next to her. --- Did my singing please you? No, the words you sang were wrong 24 hour party parrot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Trent 04/09/21 10:00:38 AM #49: |
if the message you're starting with is "are we supposed to hate her" then you've already fucked up
if you're trying to back into reasons that other posters in this thread hate her then what the fuck are you doing nobody hates this lady --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 04/09/21 10:00:39 AM #50: |
Im confused as to why everyone is debating whether or not taking owed time off merits being given reduced review scores, when the author of this article literally states that she got high review scores after she returned:
I was able to earn a very high performance rating my second in a row. She didnt get normal performance rating, TC just decided to lie about whats in the article and say that she did, for some reason. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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