Current Events > The death throes of the Liberals continue (Sweden).

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This past Sunday a majority, 66% of the delegates, voted yes to working with the far-right Nationalist party after the 2022 election. This means that 34% voted no and that is quite a big share for an important decision like this. Several high ranking Liberal politicians are now leaving the party in disgust of the party-leader.

The Liberals have been in poor shape for a while now, polling under 3%. A party needs +4% to hold seats in Riksdagen.

This decision is doing nothing to remedy their problem. If you welcome their decision to work with the Nationalists then you are unlikely to vote for the Libs in the first place and if you dislike the decision then there are other parties for you to vote for.

This is a bit like if the Democrats decided to form a partnership with Trump despite there being several other options.

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Spooking posted...

What are the top three issues currently facing the Swedes?

The pandemic is of course a major issue which blankets most areas of society and politics.

Healthcare, elderly care, economics and education are key issues tied to the pandemic.

If we look beyond the pandemic then Law and Order is an issue which garners debate and a lot of new laws have come in place recently to make it easier to crush international crime gangs which for example smuggle and sell drugs and shoot each other. This issue will continue to take much room.

Immigration has been a big issue following the 2015 migrant crisis but tougher laws AND the pandemic has decreased the number of immigrants heavily so focus has shifted to integration.

Deregulation anger is the best way to describe the third issue. We had a Conservative PM 2006-2014 who did a lot of deregulations in the welfare sector and the effects of this is being seen now. So many, including a fair share of Right-leaning voters, want to stop/limit this.

Law & Order and Immigration/Integration tends to favour the Right while the deregulation issues favour the Left.

The Liberals got zero public trust on any of the issues. Hence their spiral into oblivion.

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BalanceLost posted...

The Liberals got zero public trust on any of the issues.

why?

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scratch a liberal and a facist bleeds

lol liberals

I have issues with the word integration.

The concept of integration is great and something every immigrant should strive towards. But too many people say 'integration' when they mean 'assimilation', and that's bad

I'm gonna use me as an example, cause I'm vain like that. I consider myself integrated: I follow German laws, I use the traffic lights even when there's no cars coming and I love to complain about Deutsche Bahn. However, 'certain' people would say I'm not integrated cause I don't eat pig meat or drink alcohol. They claim they want me to integrate, but what they actually want is total assimilation
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

why?

The Liberals were part of Conservative PM Fredrik Reinfeldts both governments and they happily took part in the deregulation and privatization and they do what they can to preserve those laws to this day.

One thing they got for supporting Reinfeldt was very generous immigration laws.
So they neither get points with anti-immigration voters nor voters fed up with privatizations.

And they are viewed as weak on Law and Order.

fuming posted...

scratch a liberal and a facist bleeds

Ouch!

teep_ posted...

I have issues with the word integration.

The concept of integration is great and something every immigrant should strive towards. But too many people say 'integration' when they mean 'assimilation', and that's bad

I'm gonna use me as an example, cause I'm vain like that. I consider myself integrated: I follow German laws, I use the traffic lights even when there's no cars coming and I love to complain about Deutsche Bahn. However, 'certain' people would say I'm not integrated cause I don't eat pig meat or drink alcohol. They claim they want me to integrate, but what they actually want is total assimilation

You raise a very fair point and this is in many ways where our debate is now.

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teep_ posted...

I have issues with the word integration.

The concept of integration is great and something every immigrant should strive towards. But too many people say 'integration' when they mean 'assimilation', and that's bad

I'm gonna use me as an example, cause I'm vain like that. I consider myself integrated: I follow German laws, I use the traffic lights even when there's no cars coming and I love to complain about Deutsche Bahn. However, 'certain' people would say I'm not integrated cause I don't eat pig meat or drink alcohol. They claim they want me to integrate, but what they actually want is total assimilation

Are you ethnically Turkish?

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Pakistani
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I don't like how Lfven has been going all in on "the opposition is undemocratic" and "anyone who opposes me is an illegitimate party"
(Some hyperbole might be present there)

That's the kind of thing i'd expect in Cuba or Russia or by Trump, not Sweden


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ROBANN_88 posted...

I don't like how Lfven has been going all in on "the opposition is undemocratic" and "anyone who opposes me is an illegitimate party"
(Some hyperbole might be present there)

That's the kind of thing i'd expect in Cuba or Russia or by Trump, not Sweden

Lets take a look at what he said.

Stefan Lfven:
It is surprising that a liberal party choose a path which will mean a partnership with an illiberal party.

The illiberal party refer to the Nationalist party Sverigedemokraterna.

It surpises me that such parties (he called the Conservative, Christian Democrats and Liberals democratic parties just before) would enter a partnership with an undemocratic party.

Once again, the undemocratic party refer to Sverigedemokraterna. And lets call a spade a spade.

You are free to feel worried by Lfvens statements but Im personally more worried by Sverigedemokraterna. Some quotes:

Pavel Gamov, former Member of Riksdagen for SD:

Our long term ambition is to get rid of the other parties.

Kent Ekeroth (has held various posts in SD):

Not a day goes by without an increased conviction that Swedish media must be replaced.

Erik Almqvist (known from the Iron bar scandal):

Free elections, freedom of the press, freedom index and so forth are measurements of degree of liberalmarxism.

Richard Jomshof (one of todays leading members of SD):

Since Sweden isnt Hungary, since were not in a Government position and since media in Sweden doesnt work like media in Hungary, were forced to adapt to the reality that is present here. It means that we must adapt our rethoric after the current climate.

And I really got chills of the bad kind when Bjrn Sder (Vice Speaker of Riksdagen) said that you cannot call yourself Swedish if you identify as Jewish. Plus that SDs official party programme in 2018 talked about nedrvd essens (inherited essense) and that people with a different essense should leave Sweden.


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BalanceLost posted...

Once again, the undemocratic party refer to Sverigedemokraterna. And lets call a spade a spade.

i'm not gonna argue on whether SD is good or bad, they're obviously filled with morons, and while i voted for them last time, i don't think i will this time

but what he said was that "in the case of a powershift, democracy is in danger"
he brought in Moderaterna and KD in that too, not just SD
as if the very concept of democratic values as a whole stands and falls based on if he's in power or not

and that's something one would expect to hear from a dictator, not a statsmininster

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This is what he said. If you have other quotes please post them so I can see what he said there since I havent seen those.



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Sure
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/lofven-kritiseras-for-uttalande-om-hotad-demokrati-vid-maktskifte


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ROBANN_88 posted...

Sure
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/lofven-kritiseras-for-uttalande-om-hotad-demokrati-vid-maktskifte

I listened to the whole 10 minute clip.

Lfven once again called Ulf Kristersson a Democrat but Sverigedemokraterna undemocratic and that if you have to rely on Sverigedemokraterna for support and to become Prime-Minister, what will they ask for in return?

Which is a very fair question. Especially since we have already seen a taste in Sknska municipalities where M and SD govern together.

Id call the title of the article rather clickbaity too since the debate in the clip, between the journalist from Bulletin and the journalist from DN, doesnt match the title.

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